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Old 11-17-2011, 11:25 PM   #1
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Hey WRXperts,

I did a BIG build (for me, anyway) this week, which was supposed to include a Torque Solutions TMIC. As I understand it, it's pretty similar to the Perrin model. Long story short, the mechanics couldn't make it fit. I was told the TMIC is so deep that it "teeter-totters" on the master clutch cylinder and only allows attachment to one side or the other, not both. Has anyone seen/heard of this? The TMIC is stated to fit this car without modification. It's an 08 WRX with a VF52 turbo out of an 09. The stock TMIC fits perfectly, even after the turbo swap. Please help; this thing was pricy!

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Old 11-17-2011, 11:38 PM   #2
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Seems like poor "replica" intercooler fitment problem. Perrin style intercoolers seem to have this issue, where they hit the clutch slave cylinder. What you could try doing is bending the fins and the core very carefully with a small hammer. However if the fitment is really bad you can't really do much. Another suggestion: to fit the throttle body hose best you can soak it in hot water for about 5 minute, it makes the hose pretty soft so you can stretch it side to side.

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Old 11-20-2011, 09:36 AM   #3
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For TB hose, we got the TB from AVO for my buddy's TS TMIC and it works very well
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Old 11-20-2011, 09:47 AM   #4
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Get the AVO hose, it still doesn't fit perfect but you can get it on there if you keep trying, I have the same one and it takes me like an hour of test fiting just to get it on properly lol.
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Old 11-20-2011, 11:33 AM   #5
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common problem. try to space the intercooler with washers on the driverside mount bracket. you could also make a turbo gasket and get rid of the o-ring. that will raise it some too. ive been through this with my perrin. it doesnt hit the slave cylinder now.
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Old 12-27-2011, 09:06 AM   #6
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Have you had any issues other than fitment issues with this intercooler? Did you have it dyno tuned with the TMIC installed?

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common problem. try to space the intercooler with washers on the driverside mount bracket. you could also make a turbo gasket and get rid of the o-ring. that will raise it some too. ive been through this with my perrin. it doesnt hit the slave cylinder now.
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Old 12-27-2011, 09:20 AM   #7
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This is an issue with all stock-style TMIC's that I know of on the VF52 (Perrin, AVO, IPR, Torque Solutions, etc). I had the IPR (which is identical to the Torque Solutions) and I was able to fit mine in with the stock throttle body hose, but it was a huge pain, and it did rub the master cylinder bolt a little bit.

Make sure you take the rubber end caps off both sides of the throttle body hose. Then you'll have to play around with the angle of the hose off the throttle body. You will also have to make sure to only install the TMIC into the hose just far enough for the clamp to grab on, any further and it won't reach to the turbo. The AVO hose is also an option, but it is kind of spendy and some people don't have any more luck with it.
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Old 12-27-2011, 11:27 AM   #8
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My mechanic did eventually get this to fit, with the stock TB hose and the rubber end caps still on. (I don't know why he did it that way, but so far no issues.)

Concerning the tune, I have an off-the-shelf tune for my exact setup from Torqued Performance (Stage 3.52) and it is made to be used with a larger IC.

Everything is working nicely at this point. I have been told a bigger-flow fuel pump would be a good idea, so that's up next.

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Old 12-27-2011, 05:53 PM   #9
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Have you had any issues other than fitment issues with this intercooler? Did you have it dyno tuned with the TMIC installed?
only other issue was perrins cheap o-rings melting and causing a boost leak. got rid of that and made my own gasket and sealed the area with high temp copper sealant. looky here.
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Old 12-27-2011, 07:38 PM   #10
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My Perrin, then IPR, then AVO. The AVO by far fit the best! I used the AVO hose and then the EDO hose, the EDO hose has bends very specific to the stocker, just longer. Using this with my FMS FMIC now.
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Old 12-27-2011, 10:41 PM   #11
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Thank you all for your input. I will be ordering the Torque Solutions TMIC from Import Image Racing. Im sure it will be fun getting it on...
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Old 12-28-2011, 07:13 AM   #12
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Thank you all for your input. I will be ordering the Torque Solutions TMIC from Import Image Racing. Im sure it will be fun getting it on...
just make sure you dont break off the bolts in the intercooler flange. also get underneath with cardboard or something and make sure the slave cylinder isnt hitting the uunderside of the intercooler. finally,if you remove the endcaps on the inlet hose,make sure you have enough length to tighten the clamp down securely.
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Old 12-28-2011, 07:47 AM   #13
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After reading all the install reviews, cardboard is a definate must and so is removing the endcaps. Thanks :-)

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just make sure you dont break off the bolts in the intercooler flange. also get underneath with cardboard or something and make sure the slave cylinder isnt hitting the uunderside of the intercooler. finally,if you remove the endcaps on the inlet hose,make sure you have enough length to tighten the clamp down securely.
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Old 12-28-2011, 04:46 PM   #14
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My mechanic did eventually get this to fit, with the stock TB hose and the rubber end caps still on. (I don't know why he did it that way, but so far no issues.)
If you're running close to, or above, 20psi you will likely blow these rubber end caps off sometime soon. They should definitely be taken off, even at stock boost levels. They are only there for alignment, and the decrease reliability severely.
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Old 12-29-2011, 11:12 AM   #15
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Wow! i did not realize you could run 20+psi on the stock vf52 turbo. Ill make sure the tech removes he rubber end caps. thanks

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If you're running close to, or above, 20psi you will likely blow these rubber end caps off sometime soon. They should definitely be taken off, even at stock boost levels. They are only there for alignment, and the decrease reliability severely.
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Old 12-29-2011, 11:56 AM   #16
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You could run the VF52 higher than 20psi peak, but it isn't optimal, and you would have to taper it considerably on the top end. For the pressure comment, I was mainly referring to an aftermarket turbo (as you will likely still be using the OEM throttle body hose). But those rubber caps can blow off even as low as 16-18psi, which is certainly possible on the stock turbo.
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You could run the VF52 higher than 20psi peak, but it isn't optimal, and you would have to taper it considerably on the top end. For the pressure comment, I was mainly referring to an aftermarket turbo (as you will likely still be using the OEM throttle body hose). But those rubber caps can blow off even as low as 16-18psi, which is certainly possible on the stock turbo.
i normally see 22 psi with my stage 3 tp map.
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Any fuel mods with your stage 3?


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i normally see 22 psi with my stage 3 tp map.
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Any fuel mods with your stage 3?
i installed a 2011 sti fuel pump assy. stock injectors,stock spark plugs, grimmspeed ebcs. been stage 3 for most of this year. never had any issues. i swapped the stock turbo over a year ago with a new vf52. my car has been stage 2 for about 3 years now. never any issues but a few overboost codes,but that happens from time to time. im very happy with the torqued performance maps. eric is very good at what he does.
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^ +1 Eric is an awesome guy, I had him do a road tune on my 05 STi. Was a great map for an even better price, he's knowledgeable and knows what hes doing with these maps
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Old 01-03-2012, 09:33 PM   #21
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What did you end up doing with the tmic?

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Hey WRXperts,

I did a BIG build (for me, anyway) this week, which was supposed to include a Torque Solutions TMIC. As I understand it, it's pretty similar to the Perrin model. Long story short, the mechanics couldn't make it fit. I was told the TMIC is so deep that it "teeter-totters" on the master clutch cylinder and only allows attachment to one side or the other, not both. Has anyone seen/heard of this? The TMIC is stated to fit this car without modification. It's an 08 WRX with a VF52 turbo out of an 09. The stock TMIC fits perfectly, even after the turbo swap. Please help; this thing was pricy!

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Old 01-04-2012, 12:48 AM   #22
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My mechanic did eventually get this to fit, with the stock TB hose and the rubber end caps still on. (I don't know why he did it that way, but so far no issues.)

Concerning the tune, I have an off-the-shelf tune for my exact setup from Torqued Performance (Stage 3.52) and it is made to be used with a larger IC.

Everything is working nicely at this point. I have been told a bigger-flow fuel pump would be a good idea, so that's up next.

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Old 01-07-2012, 12:18 AM   #23
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Second day and still un able to install torque solutions tmic. Sadly I have partially striped one of my turbo flange screws. Will have to install helicoil sometime next week. Not happy right now.
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You will probably want to put heli coils into the BPV mounting screw holes too. They claim that the IPR/Torque Solutions TMIC's are supposed to come with heli coils already installed but I have yet to find anyone that has them. Without them you can't torque the bolts down very hard before you strip the threads.
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Old 01-07-2012, 11:10 AM   #25
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I did the same thing stripped the turbo flange and found that using a bolt and nut and washers will work just as good as helicoils if not better. You can really torque it down that way. Also the crappy plastic gasket does not seal very well so i used cork for the turbo flange and bov connections. The ipr intercooler is a bitch to install and you really need a extra set of hands to get it in. But once installed its actually a nice unit that works well. After a long ride with hard pulls I felt no heat on the intercooler exterier.
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