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Old 02-17-2012, 06:52 PM   #101
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Information like this is exactly why people still have hope for Nasioc. That's the easiest to understand explination of that i have seen yet.

Good stuff...and agreed.
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A roaring round of applause for Dom/MPS... We're lucky to have guys like him still in here posting valuable info.
thanks guys.

While I have an honest appreciation for those that don't just dismiss what I post as the work of one of many 'keyboard cowboys', I'm actually saddened that the forum has come to the point where this type of information is rare and people feel the need to thank me so enthusiastically.

You are all very welcome. There are only a few things that I do that I won't share as I have spent a lot of time learning what to do with these cars. However, I am glad to help as much as possible; time permitting of course.
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Old 02-17-2012, 07:49 PM   #102
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Which one of you thankful folks did I talk to at MPS. One of you called about autocrossing thier bugeye.
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:14 PM   #103
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Which one of you thankful folks did I talk to at MPS. One of you called about autocrossing thier bugeye.
That was me.
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:45 PM   #104
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Learn to drive. My old 18g setup (my former s/n is CoolRex btw) ran 11.7 @ 122mph. Don't mind the 11.7 but the 122mph was nothing to sneeze at. And all of that was on a bone stock EJ205 engine.
What else was done to the car? Weight reduction? I plan on running 11.60s with vf52 and I don't need to trap 122mph...content with 119mph. My 12.01 was on my old car, much heavier, 18's, tmic, and meth back in 2010. I plan on going mid 11s with my 2011. Light wheels/tires/fmic/e85. Your 11.7 with an 18g doesn't impress me. The 18g clearly makes good power and holds it longer than the vf52. Show me bottom 11s with stock weight. What kinda 18g was this you speak of? I don't have my turbos modified with bigger wheels etc
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Old 02-18-2012, 10:38 PM   #105
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What else was done to the car? Weight reduction? I plan on running 11.60s with vf52 and I don't need to trap 122mph...content with 119mph. My 12.01 was on my old car, much heavier, 18's, tmic, and meth back in 2010. I plan on going mid 11s with my 2011. Light wheels/tires/fmic/e85. Your 11.7 with an 18g doesn't impress me. The 18g clearly makes good power and holds it longer than the vf52. Show me bottom 11s with stock weight. What kinda 18g was this you speak of? I don't have my turbos modified with bigger wheels etc
And who are you for us to impress, u ass. I can't stand u or ur posts. I bet u r some lil b!tch that needs reassurance all the time that u doing a good job. Not enough time on the ole nip when u were younger???
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Old 02-18-2012, 10:58 PM   #106
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What else was done to the car? Weight reduction? I plan on running 11.60s with vf52 and I don't need to trap 122mph...content with 119mph. My 12.01 was on my old car, much heavier, 18's, tmic, and meth back in 2010. I plan on going mid 11s with my 2011. Light wheels/tires/fmic/e85. Your 11.7 with an 18g doesn't impress me. The 18g clearly makes good power and holds it longer than the vf52. Show me bottom 11s with stock weight. What kinda 18g was this you speak of? I don't have my turbos modified with bigger wheels etc

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And who are you for us to impress, u ass. I can't stand u or ur posts. I bet u r some lil b!tch that needs reassurance all the time that u doing a good job. Not enough time on the ole nip when u were younger???
I'm with you.
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:36 PM   #107
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What else was done to the car? Weight reduction? I plan on running 11.60s with vf52 and I don't need to trap 122mph...content with 119mph. My 12.01 was on my old car, much heavier, 18's, tmic, and meth back in 2010. I plan on going mid 11s with my 2011. Light wheels/tires/fmic/e85. Your 11.7 with an 18g doesn't impress me. The 18g clearly makes good power and holds it longer than the vf52. Show me bottom 11s with stock weight. What kinda 18g was this you speak of? I don't have my turbos modified with bigger wheels etc
One again. You a chode. Keep your retarded comments in your own ppb thread.
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:00 PM   #108
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What else was done to the car? Weight reduction? I plan on running 11.60s with vf52 and I don't need to trap 122mph...content with 119mph. My 12.01 was on my old car, much heavier, 18's, tmic, and meth back in 2010. I plan on going mid 11s with my 2011. Light wheels/tires/fmic/e85. Your 11.7 with an 18g doesn't impress me. The 18g clearly makes good power and holds it longer than the vf52. Show me bottom 11s with stock weight. What kinda 18g was this you speak of? I don't have my turbos modified with bigger wheels etc
Why don't you go back to your own PPB thread and pound your chest there? As for your "fastest stock turbo WRX" brag, who cares when Junior's stage 2 forester (and his driving) is faster than you?

People are here to see what the 18G-XTR can do, not listen to your "omgz i'm so badazz" bull****

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thanks guys.

While I have an honest appreciation for those that don't just dismiss what I post as the work of one of many 'keyboard cowboys', I'm actually saddened that the forum has come to the point where this type of information is rare and people feel the need to thank me so enthusiastically.

You are all very welcome. There are only a few things that I do that I won't share as I have spent a lot of time learning what to do with these cars. However, I am glad to help as much as possible; time permitting of course.
Thanks again for the info Dom. While I doubt that I will do anything huge with my WRX, it's always interesting to learn more about the car I drive.
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Old 02-19-2012, 02:46 PM   #109
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What else was done to the car? Weight reduction? I plan on running 11.60s with vf52 and I don't need to trap 122mph...content with 119mph. My 12.01 was on my old car, much heavier, 18's, tmic, and meth back in 2010. I plan on going mid 11s with my 2011. Light wheels/tires/fmic/e85. Your 11.7 with an 18g doesn't impress me. The 18g clearly makes good power and holds it longer than the vf52. Show me bottom 11s with stock weight. What kinda 18g was this you speak of? I don't have my turbos modified with bigger wheels etc
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seriously?

I'm with you.
this guy thinks he has the fastest vf52.... lol... too bad chris wrx went back to mostly stock and is being sold lol.
that would have been fun. you should post the graph dominic.
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What else was done to the car? Weight reduction? I plan on running 11.60s with vf52 and I don't need to trap 122mph...content with 119mph. My 12.01 was on my old car, much heavier, 18's, tmic, and meth back in 2010. I plan on going mid 11s with my 2011. Light wheels/tires/fmic/e85. Your 11.7 with an 18g doesn't impress me. The 18g clearly makes good power and holds it longer than the vf52. Show me bottom 11s with stock weight. What kinda 18g was this you speak of? I don't have my turbos modified with bigger wheels etc
Dude ****!!! There's people that have run 10.8 with a 18G. Look it up, years ago. Also you're not the quickest or the fastest VF52...

I thought you were gone for good after that thread in the members gallery LOL.
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I am not here to brag about my car or driving, I was here to post my opinion on the 18g. And that 10.8 was not done on a regular 18g....sorry to burst your bubble. And if I am not the fastest vf52, show me who is Mr speed? I would love for someone to break my record so I can shatter it when the track opens it in April. Sorry my posts bother some of you, truth hurts don't it? I will pick on the 18/20g until they discontinue em
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any thoughts how 18G XTR will do with 38mm EWG?
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^thx for bringing this back on topic.
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Old 02-20-2012, 06:43 AM   #114
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sorry to burst your bubble. And if I am not the fastest vf52, show me who is Mr speed?
I'm sure not everyone needs reassurance like u and needs to brag or record every race.. u are a complete idiot and only u keep making urself look Like a dumbass. U really think ur vf is the fastest in the world? Really u dumb ****
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I am not here to brag about my car or driving, I was here to post my opinion on the 18g. And that 10.8 was not done on a regular 18g....sorry to burst your bubble. And if I am not the fastest vf52, show me who is Mr speed? I would love for someone to break my record so I can shatter it when the track opens it in April. Sorry my posts bother some of you, truth hurts don't it?
Lol..."fastest VF52"...isn't that like being the best at the special olympics? VFXX cars aren't fast...don't mean to offend anyone....well, except djc1827. You want to impress me, lets see you get a car with 500+ HP down the track quickly. Sorry, i just think it's funny when people are fighting over being the 'fastest' slow car...and you are the worst, because you really are proud of yourself for running a 12.01?! This is why the domestic crowd makes fun of us. Let me let you in on a little secret...in drag racing, 12's are really that much to be proud of...LOL.

I know, i know.."but i'm running 12's on a small vf-52!!". So grow some balls, get a real job, and buy a real turbo.

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Or untill someone "shatters your record in one". I just ordered my 18G XT-R for my autocross car. I'll be happy to scoot on down to the track and destroy your 12-second quarter mile when the track opens.

Go build a real car and shut-up. You aren't fast...not even close.



Now...can we talk about the XT-R? Just ordered mine...so hopefully we can see what this little thing is really capable of.

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Id like to see some dyno numbers of one of these on a V8 EJ207 "with the big port heads",as Im looking at getting a 18gXTR for my motor setup.
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I am not here to brag about my car or driving, I was here to post my opinion on the 18g. And that 10.8 was not done on a regular 18g....sorry to burst your bubble. And if I am not the fastest vf52, show me who is Mr speed? I would love for someone to break my record so I can shatter it when the track opens it in April. Sorry my posts bother some of you, truth hurts don't it? I will pick on the 18/20g until they discontinue em
You can pick on the 18/20g all you want, but do it in a specific discussion thread about an 18g or 20g. Don't do it by ****ting on others' results. If you want to disagree that's fine. It's enough to say it once. Continuing to bash everything everyone else says isn't necessary or welcome.

Also, in case you hadn't noticed, this is the 18G-XTR thread...which isn't a regular 18g. Soooo....think before you post
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bump for more plots 18G-XTR
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Old 03-06-2012, 01:39 AM   #119
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turbine volume depends largely on your setup.

if you are on factory cams, I would not run a 10cm2 housing. I would run the 8cm2.

with the turbine housing you have to take into account the amount of flow it is going to see and then balance power, spool and backpressure to get the right one.

In general:
2L with factory cams: 7cm2 for faster spool, 8cm2 for more top end.
2L with large cams: 8cm2
2.5L with factory cams: 8cm2
2.5L with large aftermarket cams:10cm2

The displacement and the amount of overlap are a general base for how much turbine housing flow you need to sustain. However, if the max a turbo can produce isn't enough to outflow the 8cm2 housing, there isn't much point going to a 10cm2 housing. With that in mind, I would have to see maps for the compressor and turbine for the 18G, but I can't imagine a 10cm2 housing would ever be necessary on it. 10cm2 is a big housing and if you need that big of a housing, you should probably be on a bigger turbo in the first place.
I am so glad I continued to read this thread! ^^

I was considering the dom 1.5 xtr 10cm or 20g-xtr and a little worried about the lag. I am now looking at the 18g-xtr 8cm because fast spool and broad torque are important to me.

Any thoughts about these on a 2.5L 05 wrx hybrid vs the spool of a vf39 (my only real-life reference)?

Bump for 18g-xtr plots...

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I think this was said already, but I'm going to repeat it again:

The 18G-XTR spools slower than the 18G-XT. I spoke with Blouch they said they shouldn't even have called the turbo an 18G. They should have called it a DOM 0.5 or something. It has the larger 56.5mm turbine wheel of the GT30 and spools about 400rpm later than the normal 18G-XT.
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Maxwell: which of below turbos would you recommend for:

0-60 = low 4s
1/4 mile = low 12s

I have all supporting mods, UEL headers, EWG 38mm, Spearco TMIC, etc.

18G-XT
Application: Subaru WRX/STi
Horsepower: 430HP
Journal Bearings
XXX Turbine Wheel
XXX Compressor wheel
43lbs per min (old 18G non-XT was 40lbs per minute)

The Blouch 18G-XT is a proven performer utilizing the latest in billet compressor aerodynamics combined with genuine Mitsubishi journal bearing technology.
Here's the skinny: 1. Custom Blouch Turbo compressor housing with improved fitment and custom CNC machined at Blouch Turbo for the new 18G-XT aero; 2.closed die forged fully machined billet 18G-XT compressor wheel that is lighter yet stronger with greater flow rate; 3. genuine Mitsubishi center housing with all genuine Mitsubishi parts; 4. Mitsubishi TD05H turbine wheel; 5. options of 7cm2, 8cm2 or 10cm2 turbine housings tailored to your application; 6. option of 3" bell mouth inlet compressor housing; 7. upgrade actuator option and 8. complete drain tube/coolant line package with gaskets for a complete bolt-on package.
So what's the big deal? The 18G-XT spools very quickly, produces great mid-range torque and excellent top end power for its size. If 430 crank horsepower is your goal, this turbo is for you!


18G-XTR
Application: Subaru WRX/STi
Horsepower: 430HP
Garrett Ball bearing CHRA
56.5mm Turbine Wheel
68mm XT Compressor wheel
43lbs per min
Note: Spools 400rpm slower than 18G-XT


Dom 1.0-XT
Application: Subaru WRX/STi
Horsepower: 490HP
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XXXmm Turbine Wheel
XXXmm XT Compressor wheel
49lbs per min

The BPT Dominator 1.0XT is an awesome journal bearing performance turbocharger featuring the exclusive Blouch "XT" turbine and billet compressor technology. Up front, we have the Blouch billet "XT" 49 lb/min compressor wheel that is strong yet lightweight and incorporates the latest in aerodynamic improvements. Out back, we have a Blouch proprietary 11 bladed "XT" turbine wheel that is designed with the correct surface area to be responsive yet provide awesome peak horsepower. In between, we have a genuine Mitsubishi center housing loaded with genuine Mitsubishi parts.


Dom 1.5-XTR
Application: Subaru WRX/STi
Horsepower: 480HP
Garrett Ball bearing CHRA
56.5mm Turbine Wheel
71mm XT Compressor wheel
49lbs per min

The Blouch Dominator 1.5XT-R is a little tweak to our already popular Dom 2.5XT-R. Originally designed for our 2.0L customers in the UK, the Dom 1.5XT-R uses the Garrett GT 56.5mm turbine instead of the full 60mm turbine of the Dom 2.5XT-R. The end result is a slightly quicker spooling turbo while trading off some high RPM horsepower capability. Beyond the turbine wheel, the Dom 1.5XT-R consists of the same cutting edge turbo technology that you have come to expect from Blouch Performance Turbo: Blouch billet fully-machined closed die forged 49 lb/min XT-R compressor wheel with state-of-the-art aero, our own custom compressor housing machined in-house and designed for improved fitment, Garrett GT ball bearing center housing and Blouch custom 10cm2 turbine housing with adjustable upgrade actuator.

For reference:

18G --> 40 lbs/min (discontinued)
20G --> 44 lbs/min (discontinued)
20G-XTR --> 44 lbs/min (440HP) / 56.5mm turbine
20G-XT --> 47 lbs/min (470HP) / 62mm turbine

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I like the DOM 1.0XT (it's not an xtr). I tuned it on a few cars and it'll make full boost well before 4k rpm and flow it's advertised value. It's very much like the 20G-XT with faster spool.

I'm honestly not a fan of the garrett 56.5mm turbine setup. Yes it's nice that it's ball bearing, but it really doesn't spool that much quicker than the tdo6. The bigger DOM turbos have the larger turbine wheel which is quite nice. The DOM 5 has the 35R turbine and will break 500whp on a Mustang Dyno.
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^fixed 1.0-XT no XTR.

So for my goals 1.0-XT or 18G-XT?

0-60 = low 4s
1/4 mile = low 12s
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I think this was said already, but I'm going to repeat it again:

The 18G-XTR spools slower than the 18G-XT. I spoke with Blouch they said they shouldn't even have called the turbo an 18G. They should have called it a DOM 0.5 or something. It has the larger 56.5mm turbine wheel of the GT30 and spools about 400rpm later than the normal 18G-XT.
So, the 18G-XT spools faster than the 18G-XTR, and can make the same power? What's the point of the 18G-XTR then? (same power assumption because that's what blouch posts on their website)
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Blouch says even though the compressor is the same, the larger turbine is giving them another 15-20whp.
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