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Old 01-25-2012, 12:00 AM   #76
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Damn... thats a wrx owners wet dream.. Cant wait to see it complete. How much $$ would you say youve got into it in parts?!
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:19 AM   #77
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Awesome build, should handle like a dream when you finally get it out on the track. I was never a fan of the finish on some of my whiteline products... The sway bars rusted out in two seasons... So switched to jdm STi pink rear sway and cusco front and they still look new. I plan on finishing up the lateral links and bushings this summer on my Bugeye. Keep up the good-work.
I have some mixed experiences with whiteline, I have received a steering rack bushing set that fit absolutely horribly, and I have had a front spherical endlink that seized rather quickly. I know sphericals are maintenance items that need inspected and replaced but this one died extremely quickly. I can only assume whiteline uses a low quality cheap spherical bearing and that's why it died so quickly from daily driven street use. That is why I switched and have purchased a high quality set of adjustable front spherical endlinks from Msi, after talking with mark from Msi I am confident his part is far superior. The steering rack bushing didn't fit well at all, and will be replaced, and their billet rear sway bar mount could have definitely been designed to fit a little cleaner and not overhang the frame rail. Yet, their products do seems to work well and have excellent track results and highly recommended by the big shops. I kept telling myself that I just didn't have the experience and finess to get correct fitment. It's frustrating because so many of their parts fit perfectly, I.e. swaybars, bushings, alk etc. I must say though, even with my steering bushings they do seem to take good care of their dealers so the dealers are inclined to get you a new product that fits as intended. I'll post pics of the Msi endlinks when they arrive, I am very excited about these pieces and looking forward to getting more involved with Msi as their product line is absolutely amazing.
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Old 01-25-2012, 11:25 AM   #78
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Old 01-25-2012, 05:36 PM   #79
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Damn... thats a wrx owners wet dream.. Cant wait to see it complete. How much $$ would you say youve got into it in parts?!
It's never fun to add it all up I'd say so far 14-16k. I bought all my parts new except for the seat, headers, tgv deletes, and exhaust. You could definitely do it cheaper but like mos things you get what you pay for. Even with the 14k I spent on the car, it should give performance to rival the low end Porsches and vettes. On track it should give super car killing potential. Of course that cost is including some stuff I haven't taken pictures of yet, I.e. aeromotive fuel system, killer bee oil system, etc.

It's funny how this build started in my mind as a stage 2 build with the main goal being locking down the drivetrain and suspension. I keep telling myself that it will all bolt up to an sti down the road, plus my wrx will walk mildly modded sti's. Gotta save up for that 6 speed and get those diffs and dccd and I will be set. It never ends.
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Old 01-25-2012, 06:43 PM   #80
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Old 01-26-2012, 01:44 AM   #81
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Got to the house today to do a little work on the car and found these on the doorstep. Thank you Mark at MSI, these pieces look absolutely fabulous. I am a big believer in buy the correct part for your needs, use, and goals the first time, and this is a perfect example. Like a few of the other vendors I have pointed out during this thread, I would like to thank Mark for taking time out of his busy day to come up with a setup to meet my needs. Like I told Mark in my email to him, I truly feel the parts MSI produces are a step beyond what is traditionally offered by the aftermarket. With talking to him I have no doubt that the bearings used are a step above what other brands are using in their products, at very reasonable prices for the serious enthusiast. Besides the high quality motorsport bearings, aluminum spacers to shed weight and aid response, etc. High quality parts, I am looking forward to investing in their track proven rear subframe for my next level of modifications. It may sound like I am making a big deal about a small part (endlinks) but you have no idea how frustrating replacing expensive aftermarket parts can be because of cheap spherical bearings that wear out rapidly. Getting parts of this quality and capabilities put a big smile on my face, plus I am so happy there is a company that is making proper suspension geometry a priority.


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Old 01-26-2012, 01:56 AM   #82
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Picture of the Aeromotive complete fuel system I will be running. This includes an fittings as well as an aeromtove fpr. The reliability of fluid transfer hoses and connections can not be overstated, and an fittings when used correctly are as reliable as it gets. Plus, with my 850cc injectors and the fueling requirements of my turbo, it would be foolish to cut corners and not address the factory fuel system. These rails will be running in parrallel instead of the factory routing, to equalize the distribution of fuel amongst cylinders in high output situations. I am still debating if it is worth the expense at this time to upgrade the restrictive factory fuel supply lines to an -8 stainless line from the fuel tank to the engine bay. We will see if that gets checked off the list for this current buildup, or put off until the next round. Still need to get some sheathing to slide over the stainless lines to reduce wear of other components in the engine bay.


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Old 01-26-2012, 02:00 AM   #83
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Closeup of the Aeromotive fuel rails. Great part about the fuel system, like so many other parts in this build, is when I upgrade to a built 2.5 block it will swap right over. Fueling systems on high output turbo cars driven on track should not skimp on the fuel system, as lean conditions can turn expensive quickly. These parts should give me a little bit of confidence during my tuning session and track days.


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Old 01-26-2012, 02:07 AM   #84
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Definetly an awesome build!
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Old 01-26-2012, 02:08 AM   #85
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When pushing the amount of fuel needed to create the power this little build is capable of, it is essential to upgrade the fuel pump. Most people go with Walbros, but I went another direction for a number of reasons. I am not over awed with Walbros reliability, plus I don't like how you need to keep the tank filled to prevent burning out the bushings. Did you know Walbros don't even use ball bearings, but use bronze bushes. These bushes rely heavily on the tank of gas to cool and stay lubricated. Just not the right choice for me, when for a little more you can get the Aeromotive Stealth or Bosch 044. While reading the msi build thread I learned about Fine Line Imports located near me in Santa Rosa. I called them initially to request their drop in Bosch 044 fuel pump kit, but they recommended I use the Aeromotive drop in pump instead, saving me a couple dollars as well as getting something that will perform perfectly for the task at hand. With the affordability of these high flowing fuel pumps I do not understand why people still bother with Walbros. I can not believe they do not use ball bearings.


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Old 01-26-2012, 02:17 AM   #86
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Had to dissassemble the front coilovers to grease the wear points on my H&R coilovers. Ground Control warned me when I got these that by getting the race version and not the polyurethane street version that they would be slightly noisier, which is not at all outrageous in NVH and you are rewarded with a vast increase in cornering power and dynamic allignment consistency. In an effort to quiet them down I tore the coilovers apart and greased the mating surfaces, we will see if this helps. If it is the same no biggie, as it is not outrageous and the benefits definitely far outweigh the nvh penalty. These camber/caster plates have so many functional features, independent caster adjustability, top mount to preserve compression travel, a thrust bearing that supports the weight of the car to prolong the life of the spherical needle bearing in the top mount itself, etc. These are an amazingly designed piece of work, and like many parts slightly more than their competitors products, but offering vastly more performance potential for the slight increase in cost. I can't stress it enough, save up and buy the right part once. It is actually cheaper down the road since the inferior part will nto work as planned and fail, and you will have to replace it early as well as other part sthat fail due to the other part failing. I've been saving a long time for this build, but the results will far surpass those ebay builds out there using chinese knock off parts.


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Old 01-26-2012, 02:22 AM   #87
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H&R coilovers correctly reassembled, greased, and ride height measured and dialed in ready for cornerbalancing. Every time I look at the front suspension of the wrx I long for more suspension travel, I will have to spend some time playing with the ride height of the new setup to ensure I am not bottoming out on compression under aggressive driving. You can buy all the expensive parts in the world, but if you do not show attention to detail and spend time dialing in a setup your results will always be inferior. Anyone can have a bolt on queen (which is all my build basically is) but where the overall results and driving behavior come from is the sum of the total package and how you can make the parts complement each other.


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Old 01-26-2012, 02:41 AM   #88
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Please post some more pictures of the progress!!! I was getting sucked into this build like reading a good book!!! "I'd like some more please." This is absolutely exactly what I had in mind for my WRX. A conservative build - in terms of power, but an overall sturdy ride, and quality parts for daily driving... Good stuff man keep it up!!

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Old 01-26-2012, 04:06 PM   #89
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Top portion of the Ground Control Camber/Caster plates installed finger tight for mock up during reassembly. I love the design of these plates, like being top mounted to preserve valuable wheel travel before bottoming out, high quality bearings, a thrust bearing to hold up the weight of the car so as to reduce stree on the pillowball upper strut mount used to locate the strut. High quality parts make for high quality results.


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Old 01-26-2012, 09:52 PM   #90
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Coilover loosely installed for mock up and test fitment. Pleasantly surprised at the angle of the lower control arm, the Whiteline Extended Ball Joint dropped the lower control arm pivot significantly, which will do wonders for my roll center and suspension geometry. Still need to graph out the camber curve and roll couple, but its at least getting the lower control arm in the ball park for my suspension ride height. Still needs to be fine tuned once everythings put back together, but must say I am pleasantly surprised. And since I did have a few gripes about whiteline in my other post, this kit and most of their products have fit beautifully. Makes me wonder why they designed the few parts with fitment issues the way they did. H&R coilovers, Ground Control Camber/Caster plates, Whiteline ALK, and STI Aluminum lower control arms installed. Coilovers and mounts are installed just finger tight for the time being as this is still a mock up, as obviously the coilover needs to be unmounted to install the axles, which I just got the pins for (thanks flatirons tuning). Like I said at the top, very pleasantly surprised at the preliminary positioning of the lower control arm with the Whiteline extended ball joint. Still needs some fine tuning, a little finess, but definitely progress in the right direction. I love suspension work, so easy to make significant and measurable gains in lap times, chassis balance, predictability, confidence, etc.



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Old 01-26-2012, 10:40 PM   #91
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I want your job, whatever it is that allows you to buy so much awesomeness
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Old 01-26-2012, 11:51 PM   #92
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I want your job, whatever it is that allows you to buy so much awesomeness
I guarantee you don't want the job I was doing while saving for this build. Retail sucks and doesn't pay ****, but in this economy you have to take what you can. Basically it was a lot of 50 hour work weeks and saving every penny. I just got a new job, and in the field I graduated in, so hopefully soon I can start with some bigger steps, I.e. 6 speed swap with high end coilovers and upgraded diffs, a solidly built block and full race twin scroll efr kit, and raiding msi's amazing parts catalogue. But we will see, my 240sx could use a lightly boosted lightly built vq35. It's so easy to spend money on car projects. And since I'm dreaming I would love a lift in the garage. Time for me to go play the lotto.

Realistically though, nothing I am doing on this particular build, parts or labor, is outside the reach of anyone who is purchasing a wrx. This is a bolt on queen, no custom fab, no roll cage, much to my disdain no seam Welding of removable parts (I.e. rear subframe). This is all attainable and doable to the average enthusiast. Take your time and ensure the parts you buy are the correct ones for your end goal and usage, do it in stages and take your time. A grand or two in suspension mods will absolutely transform the feel of your car and really let you take full advantage of its capabilities. While this is an extensive project, it is a bolt on queen, engine hasn't been cracked, suspension geometry not radically changed etc. Not to say this thing won't be fast as an end result, just that it is attainable and doable to the average enthusiast, and illustrates the immense work, knowledge, and fabrication skills of the true track cars being built, and why you should use reputable shops for their knowledge and expertise. This build is just scratching the surface of what these cars are capable of. It will be interesting to see the numbers (both power and handling) that this thing will do at its meager level of modification.

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Old 01-27-2012, 12:08 AM   #93
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Old 01-27-2012, 11:46 AM   #94
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Why did you buy side feed rails? Also unless your going to run a 500 whp e85 setup your stock supply line isn't hindering anything
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Why did you buy side feed rails? Also unless your going to run a 500 whp e85 setup your stock supply line isn't hindering anything
I'll double check the parts for compatability between the aps tgv deletes and deatschwerks injectors, can't remember if their was a reason or if I got mistaking my shipped the wrong part. I'll have to check that out good spot. No e85, just figured since I was redoing the whole fuel system in the engine bay it wouldn't hurt or be much more work to upgrade the fuel feed line.

I'll find out about the fuel system and post results. I have to get in touch with the vendor anyways as they forgot my new front stop tech brake lines and new seals to refresh the front bbk. The jobs never end with this project.
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Old 01-27-2012, 12:18 PM   #96
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Looks good so far

...........ya those are definitely side feed rails you want ones that look like this:




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LAME!!! Well thanks for the heads up guys, I will be shooting an email to the vendor tonight and be getting swapped out for the correct part. Glad you guys saw it before I did, I have the rails sitting on the bench still attached to the intake manifold and tgv's right now. Good thing is I have enough other jobs to do that this shouldn't hold up my build. Plus I never received the pair of Stoptech BBK lines and seals that they said Stoptech would drop ship me, so I needed to get in touch with them anyways. This weekend I am installing my Killer Bee Oil Pan, pickup, and windage tray. This thing is pure gold, will give me plenty of peace of mind at track days and during suspension dial in. Pics of the install and parts to come either tomorrow or Sunday.

Thanks again scby rex for spotting that, saved me some downtime on the build, which would have definitely pissed me off. This thing needs to get back on the road!!!!!
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Here's a follow up picture concerning the whiteline roll center correction kit. A few posts back I was raving up about how impressed I was with the fitment of the kit, and when I test fitted my coilovers I was very happy with the amount of angle it took off my lower control arm. Of course right now this is just ball park, as obviously the suspension is at full droop since the car is on jackstands. Here is a direct comparison though, of the oem tie rod end and the whiteline tie rod end. This is a similar drop as the ball joint, as they need to keep similar angles for the most benefits. After all the fitment, durability, and quality control problems 6gun racing had with their kit, if you are keeping the standard wrx or sti control arms and ball joint setup (and not upgrading to an msi lower control arm setup or LIC Motorsports adjustable hubs) I strongly feel the whiteline roll center kit is the best solution for your front end suspension geometry. Talked to many shops, no one seems to have had a problem with the Whiteline RollC enter Kit. Anyways, thought this would give you guys a better shot to see what I was raving about.


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Here is the newest absolutely amazing, top notch engineered, functional piece of full win to grace my build. Another piece that belongs on a built motor beast, and is slumming it on my internally stock ej205. Killer Bee's amazing oil pan combination. I talked extensively to Chris at Killer Bee, as well as other tuners, and was torn between the other pans on the market. For the money of a new oil pan setup, I wanted to make sure I got the best, most effective end product. Killer Bee's oil pan setup comes with a lifetime warranty, beefed up oil pan pickup, no moving baffles (which can stick open with prolonged usage) and windage tray. The enlarged sump holds more oil, so it provides additional heat capacity as well as improved lubrication by its more effective design. Their baffle setup is superior on hard driven cars, where oil pooling in the heads is a serious issue. Here is an exerpt from one of the many emails between myself and Chris describing the advantages of his setup, plus his setup is compatable with my headers.

"The Subaru engine will pool oil in the outside head during cornering. Think of a cornering load the same as tipping your engine. The oil pools in the head facing the outside of the corner (or the head that's tipped downward on an engine stand/dyno). Under severe cornering, yes a flat baffle will help oil from sloshing out of the pan, BUT oil flowing from the other head can go across this baffle instead of into the bottom of the sump. Horizontal baffles also increase the amount of oil that can pool in each head before flowing back into the bottom of the sump.

Our replacement oil Baffle Windage tray and our sump's baffle are designed to direct oil downward to the sump wether it's coming from the crank or flowing back from the heads. We see spill-out as much less an issue because the heads pool oil long before oil begins to spill out of the sump.

A lot of the currently available baffling and oiling technology for Subarus are assumptions carried over from other makes/models, but just because those concepts work well on a V8, straight-6, etc., doesn't mean they are ideal on our Subaru boxer engines. Don't get me wrong here, some products are better than others and most are better than the factory bits. Our products come from a 'what's the problem, why and test, test, test philosophy'. We run CAD simulations, dyno testing and track testing to verify a design before its release."


Thank you Chris/Killer Bee for the amazing product. Amazing finished product, well thought out design, great ability to communicate with the end customer and take the time to lay out the benefits of your design. Thank you so much for the time you took to get me a finished product perfect for my goals. Highly recommend looking at Killer Bee for your Subaru needs, and very affordable to boot.


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