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Old 07-17-2012, 10:13 AM   #2801
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Always some idiot in here with a lack of respect for anything...



have a bit of light humor.

personally i think it's extremely poor form of them to go ahead and make it so obvious already that it wasnt the car's fault.
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Old 07-17-2012, 10:38 AM   #2802
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Im sure they figure the sooner the better, preparing for a legal battle
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Old 07-17-2012, 10:44 AM   #2803
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it's a cluster**** for sure.

I'd like to hear her comments if she can recall what happened.
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Old 07-17-2012, 10:44 AM   #2804
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have a bit of light humor.

personally i think it's extremely poor form of them to go ahead and make it so obvious already that it wasnt the car's fault.
Sorry man, it is what it is. Maybe I woke on the wrong side of the bed today. Anyway, I don't know. Marussia is also between a rock and a hard spot. If it truly wasn't the cars fault, making that very clear will go a long way down the road should a lawsuit be brought upon them.
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Old 07-17-2012, 10:58 AM   #2805
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Sorry man, it is what it is. Maybe I woke on the wrong side of the bed today. Anyway, I don't know. Marussia is also between a rock and a hard spot. If it truly wasn't the cars fault, making that very clear will go a long way down the road should a lawsuit be brought upon them.
sure thing. also realize that the term nut in this case wasnt meant to be a derogatory term.

they dont need to make that clear to the media and the public. It could have been clearly kept under wraps and only share under a confidentiality breach.

As it stands it will give ppl like torquemada vindication that she was the person responsible for the incident.
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:59 PM   #2806
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sure thing. also realize that the term nut in this case wasnt meant to be a derogatory term.

they dont need to make that clear to the media and the public. It could have been clearly kept under wraps and only share under a confidentiality breach.
This. I also read the "nut behind the wheel comment" as innocuous in regards to Maria. I thought it was a colloquial term used when people wanted to blame the driver when in reality, something with the car could be wrong.

The first time I heard it was in a documentary that went over Ralph Nader and efforts to improve upon car safety. Joan Claybrook used it to say, that the term "the nut behind the wheel" is a myth.

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Old 07-17-2012, 05:42 PM   #2807
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Maybe she hit the pit button on the steering wheel accidentally, and the car automatically accelerated to 60kph or something, and before she could do anything she was already there. I doubt it was something as simple as hitting the gas instead of brake, but I do think it could have been her messing around with buttons on the steering wheel trying to turn it off and she accidentally hit the wrong button.
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Old 07-17-2012, 06:00 PM   #2808
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I don't believe anything at the driver's controls accelerates the car besides the throttle pedal.

Marussia seems pretty hush about it. I mean shouldn't they be able to tell exactly what happened with all the data f1 cars have?

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Old 07-17-2012, 06:41 PM   #2809
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What about the KERS button? I don't think there is any publicly available info regarding how it exactly works to cause the boost in the acceleration, at least that I can recall. (Pure Speculation) it could be that when it is engaged it over rides the throttle and sends a WOT signal. This assumes that the KERS was in use, active and charged on the car during the aero test.

While I don't want to be put in the same camp as the 'she crashed because she is a woman' morans, I think no matter the primary cause it has to be accepted that unfamiliarity with the car/controls was a contributing factor. She had a very short time to respond to an utterly unexpected situation, at that point it is mostly instinct that saves you. Someone with a number of spins/crashes/system failures behind them is going to be more accustomed to pulling the clutch lever or steering to avoid the harder of the obstacles in their path, etc. She didn't have the chance to build that experience.
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Old 07-17-2012, 06:44 PM   #2810
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I don't believe anything at the driver's controls accelerates the car besides the throttle pedal.

Marussia seems pretty hush about it. I mean shouldn't they be able to tell exactly what happened with all the data f1 cars have?
It could have been not recording at the time of the accident.

FIA regulations say that the only way torque can be delivered to the rear wheels is through the pedal, however there is also an idle speed controller which I am not sure how it works and the regulations aren't clear about it. But I think that controls your speed in the pit lane without some driver input.

I really just guessing though.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:46 PM   #2811
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i dont think marussia has KERS.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:52 PM   #2812
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I don't believe anything at the driver's controls accelerates the car besides the throttle pedal.

Marussia seems pretty hush about it. I mean shouldn't they be able to tell exactly what happened with all the data f1 cars have?
I wouldn't be surprised if they know the exact cause. Keep in mind, as curious as we are, they don't owe us any details. We're too used to our Freedom of Information Act malarkey over here.

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It could have been not recording at the time of the accident.

FIA regulations say that the only way torque can be delivered to the rear wheels is through the pedal, however there is also an idle speed controller which I am not sure how it works and the regulations aren't clear about it. But I think that controls your speed in the pit lane without some driver input.

I really just guessing though.
Possible, but I'd doubt it. With how many computers are required to start and run an F1 car, I'd expect they have all the data.

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They do not.
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Old 07-17-2012, 08:29 PM   #2813
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I don't believe anything at the driver's controls accelerates the car besides the throttle pedal.

Marussia seems pretty hush about it. I mean shouldn't they be able to tell exactly what happened with all the data f1 cars have?
They idle at ~9k, if the clutch slipped for some reason the car would accelerate.

I have no idea if this is what happened or not.
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Old 07-17-2012, 09:31 PM   #2814
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The car will go into anti-stall mode when the driver lifts off the throttle when slowing down, which with the clutch not pulled in, will accelerate the car as it revs the engine to keep it running. That is what happened. it was a lack of experience, not a lack of skill.
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Old 07-17-2012, 10:43 PM   #2815
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I wouldn't be surprised if they know the exact cause. Keep in mind, as curious as we are, they don't owe us any details. We're too used to our Freedom of Information Act malarkey over here.
Me too, that's why I'm suspicious. They just claim it wasn't the car without mentioning a word of what actually happened.

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The car will go into anti-stall mode when the driver lifts off the throttle when slowing down, which with the clutch not pulled in, will accelerate the car as it revs the engine to keep it running. That is what happened. it was a lack of experience, not a lack of skill.
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No, really. I thought that was just speculation.



No matter the cause, what a tragedy. Just a total freak accident. I wish her the best.
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Old 07-20-2012, 06:48 AM   #2817
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What has two thumbs and is going to extend his contract with Mercedes?

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still not confirmed, Norbert Haug denied again today
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Old 07-20-2012, 10:04 AM   #2818
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still not confirmed, Norbert Haug denied again today
I think it's a lock IMO. No brainer.
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Old 07-22-2012, 10:21 PM   #2819
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Season half over. Ferrari have turned that cow into a legitimate contender. Didn't see that coming.
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Old 07-23-2012, 01:08 AM   #2820
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Old 07-23-2012, 01:20 AM   #2821
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As long as the man behind the wheel is named Fernando!
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Old 07-23-2012, 01:40 AM   #2822
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Right up until this weekend Grosjean had been my favorite "new" driver.

The fact that Jackie Stewart said "I just said to Romain Grosjean the other day, it would be a good idea if you came up home one day for lunch so we could have a bit of chat," Stewart told AUTOSPORT. "It is ridiculous that in Formula 1 we don't have coaches. ... Maldonado is very fast but he needs help. He shouldn't have the number of collisions he has had, and neither should Grosjean. That is not all bad luck, you're in the wrong place, alongside the wrong people"

Then Romain answered back with "You can always learn and I used to work with a coach, but I don't feel that I need one today, but it can change week to week. At the moment we are pretty happy with the way everything is going," said Grosjean. "I spun in qualifying in Silverstone and that was my fault but I don't think we have been involved in many accidents this year," he added.

He of course proved his point by losing a front wing on the opening lap and spending the rest of the race barely holding off the Caterhams while his teammate grabbed 4th and McLaren moved ahead of them in the points.

I get that part of being a winning driver is having ultimate confidence in yourself and the car, but when a legend of the sport says 'hey, I think I can help make you better.', the only appropriate public response is 'I am thankful for the offer, anything I can do to help myself and the team is a good idea.' Even if you never actually sit down, at least you don't look like a ponce the next time you do the very thing you said you don't do.
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:03 PM   #2823
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so ferrari figured out their front pull-rod suspension then?
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Old 07-23-2012, 01:19 PM   #2824
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so ferrari figured out their front pull-rod suspension then?
No, just on Fernando's car..they still haven't figured it out on Massa's car
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Old 07-23-2012, 01:37 PM   #2825
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Alexander Rossi is here in Oshkosh at the EAA airshow.

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