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Old 09-25-2012, 09:33 PM   #3001
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I donno even if I had his amount of money $2m means something.

That being said, no way he moves over to Merc unless he's ready to pack it in and just sell out.
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Old 09-25-2012, 09:36 PM   #3002
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Agreed. This is hardball negotiating but he will stay.
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Old 09-26-2012, 11:10 AM   #3003
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anyone else find this pretty stupid?

http://en.espnf1.com/usa/motorsport/story/89974.html

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Old 09-26-2012, 11:15 AM   #3004
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That being said, no way he moves over to Merc unless he's ready to pack it in and just sell out.
It certainly wouldn't be the first time that's happened in F1.
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Old 09-26-2012, 12:29 PM   #3005
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anyone else find this pretty stupid?

http://en.espnf1.com/usa/motorsport/story/89974.html
Nope and neither did Charlie Whiting apparently. He had nothing but good things to say about turn one. Why do you find it stupid?

He says there's atleast 3 corners that look good for overtaking. Here's to hoping turn 12 is one of them
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:40 PM   #3006
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Blind corners (caused by a crest) that people are are carrying 60+mph speed into?

nope. not stupid at all.

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Old 09-26-2012, 02:16 PM   #3007
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it's just like india.
they are the best drivers in the world, i think they can handle it.
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Old 09-26-2012, 02:58 PM   #3008
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Blind corners (caused by a crest) that people are are carrying 60+mph speed into?

nope. not stupid at all.

I'd say the top of Eau Rouge is a blind corner caused by a crest, taken at a much higher speed. Should they flatten the hill and straighten it out?
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Old 09-26-2012, 03:13 PM   #3009
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maybe they should just race on ovals.
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Old 09-26-2012, 03:14 PM   #3010
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I'd say the top of Eau Rouge is a blind corner caused by a crest, taken at a much higher speed. Should they flatten the hill and straighten it out?
Likelihood of a crash at a curve vs at an reflex angle curve?

Eau Rouge = historic track

Austin = Just made.

best drivers in the world or not, its short sighted to design a blind corner where the chances of a stopped car(s) / accident is high.
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Old 09-26-2012, 03:15 PM   #3011
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Likelihood of a crash at a curve vs at an reflex angle curve?

Eau Rouge = historic track

Austin = Just made.

best drivers in the world or not, its retarded to have a blind corner where the chances of a stopped car / accident is high.
So you think you know more about track safety than Charlie Whiting?

Even though I don't know you I'm going to go ahead and tell you that you don't. If he thinks the turn is "awesome!" then it most likely will be and is definitely not a stupid or poorly laid out turn.

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Old 09-26-2012, 04:36 PM   #3012
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It wouldn't be the first time the FIA has been dead wrong with the safety of tracks.

I've laid out quite clearly where the problem lies. As such telling me that Charlie Whiting thinks it ok, doesn't make me change my views.

It probably is awesome. Its like a roller coaster, go up a hill and then rotate 270ish(?) degrees to go back down. I just dont think its very safe if there are obstacles stopped at the corner and drivers are cresting it.
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Old 09-26-2012, 04:40 PM   #3013
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You're knocking blind corners? Wow.
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It wouldn't be the first time the FIA has been dead wrong with the safety of tracks.

I've laid out quite clearly where the problem lies. As such telling me that Charlie Whiting thinks it ok, doesn't make me change my views.

It probably is awesome. Its like a roller coaster, go up a hill and then rotate 270ish(?) degrees to go back down. I just dont think its very safe if there are obstacles stopped at the corner and drivers are cresting it.
That's what the flag stands are for. Almost any corner can be dangerous if there's a car parked in the middle and the flags aren't out yet. If you design all the danger out ad infinitum racing becomes boring for everyone including the drivers you're trying to protect. If one of the men responsible for making F1 as safe as it is today (Charlie Whiting) says its ok and the driver's love it when they get to drive it then what's the problem?
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You're knocking blind corners? Wow.
I'd be happy to know what other blind corners (such as this one) exist in F1 right now.
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Old 09-26-2012, 06:35 PM   #3017
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That's what the flag stands are for. Almost any corner can be dangerous if there's a car parked in the middle and the flags aren't out yet. If you design all the danger out ad infinitum racing becomes boring for everyone including the drivers you're trying to protect. If one of the men responsible for making F1 as safe as it is today (Charlie Whiting) says its ok and the driver's love it when they get to drive it then what's the problem?
and what about situations that are split second?

i.e. start of a race? or when cars are bunched up together?

The only other corner that comes to mind is the corkscrew at Laguna seca, but cars don't come to a standstill if they crash there. IN this situation however with cars making a slow corner if they touch and come to a stop and the guys in the rear don't see it, it could be trouble.
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Old 09-26-2012, 06:50 PM   #3018
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and what about situations that are split second?

i.e. start of a race? or when cars are bunched up together?

The only other corner that comes to mind is the corkscrew at Laguna seca, but cars don't come to a standstill if they crash there. IN this situation however with cars making a slow corner if they touch and come to a stop and the guys in the rear don't see it, it could be trouble.
Racing cars is dangerous? That's new and exciting
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:06 PM   #3019
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My favorite corner at Thunderhill is turn 9. A fast left hander, that goes over a slight rise. Down low in an FV, the middle and exit is totally blind. Double fun too, since the exit gets pinched. I also like the rise and little move to the right, before the corkscrew at Laguna. And the up and over hill on the back straight at Buttonwillow is also fun, running it counterclockwise. You can carry a lot of speed into it, despite not seeing anything past the crest.
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and what about situations that are split second?

i.e. start of a race? or when cars are bunched up together?

The only other corner that comes to mind is the corkscrew at Laguna seca, but cars don't come to a standstill if they crash there. IN this situation however with cars making a slow corner if they touch and come to a stop and the guys in the rear don't see it, it could be trouble.
I don't see how this is any different front any other sharp turn one at other tracks. For COTA, I feel like it'd be easier for the guys in the back to see due to the elevation or am I missing your point entirely?
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I don't see how this is any different front any other sharp turn one at other tracks. For COTA, I feel like it'd be easier for the guys in the back to see due to the elevation or am I missing your point entirely?
well its blind so guys wont be able to see things from the back.

I am making this assertion from the statement that i quoted way back up.

If its blind post the corner, no issues, but if its blind going into the braking zone, that's what confounds me.
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Old 09-26-2012, 08:42 PM   #3022
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I remember the A-1 Ring in Austria used to have a big uphill section right before the 1st corner. (to the right) I can't find the elevation changes though. I know they don't use it now. But, that's not the reason it was taken off the schedule.
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well its blind so guys wont be able to see things from the back.

I am making this assertion from the statement that i quoted way back up.

If its blind post the corner, no issues, but if its blind going into the braking zone, that's what confounds me.
The entry to the braking zone isnt blind though. They'll be braking up the hill. The apex is what is hidden by the crest. They'll already be going slow by the time the line is blind. It will still add to the difficulty in getting it right, which is the point.
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:09 PM   #3024
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Well that's interesting because Kamui has out-qualified Sergio 8 to 5 in the first 13 races this year.

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SP: http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2012/867.html

2011 it was 10 to 8 in Kobayashi's favor.

But who's the one constantly qualifying with the McLarens, Ferraris and Red Bulls?
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it is almost the same corner as t3 in india except left and with a long straight before it. it's not blind til after turn in, and it's no worse than monaco, singapore, or valencia where almost all of the track out points are blocked by a wall.
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