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Old 12-13-2011, 02:07 PM   #101
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he qualified much better then he raced that's for sure!

you also have to take into consideration the Renault was a much more competitive car at the start of the season when both Petrov and Heidfeld reached the podium.

By the time Bruno got into the car it had been going backwards in the development race for some time.
You also rarely see a driver go into a car midway through the season and do well. We can all remember what happened to Fisichella after he went to Ferrari in 09. Senna was also hampered greatly by poor strategy and some dubious penalties near the end. Petrov only scored 5 points during the same time Senna scored 2 as well.
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:47 PM   #102
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I found this on another forum, thought perhaps someone in this thread would like to see it.




http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/fso...de-619888.html
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Old 12-13-2011, 10:38 PM   #103
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http://igpmanager.com/

Not sure if anyone will be interested, its an MMO team manager game. Its free to play, but you can pay to get advanced features. Its definitely Europe biased right now (it just launched) but it looks kinda cool for those who are interested in this type of stuff.
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Old 12-14-2011, 05:20 AM   #104
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Mmm, want the watch.
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Old 12-14-2011, 01:24 PM   #105
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all change at STR for 2012

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96745

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Daniel Ricciardo and Jean-Eric Vergne will race for the Toro Rosso team in the 2012 Formula 1 season, the team has announced.

The news means the duo will replace Sebastien Buemi and Jaime Alguersuari.

Toro Rosso said the decision to replace its current drivers was taken in conjunction with Red Bull.

It will be the first time since the team's 2006 debut that it will begin the year with an all new line-up.

"I am pleased that we have been able to reach an early decision on our drivers for next year, because it means we can all give our full attention to 2012, without any distractions," said team boss Franz Tost.

"Over the past year, both Daniel and Jean-Eric have proved their worth and I expect them to make a significant contribution to the team's performance next year. Daniel has the benefit of having actually raced in Grands Prix for much of this year, while Jean-Eric proved he could adapt quickly to the demands of driving a Formula 1 car.

"As they have both worked with the team and its engineers very recently, this should allow us to get up to speed right from the start of winter testing in a couple of months time."

Tost was thankful to Buemi and Alguersuari, but said it was Toro Rosso's duty to give new drivers a chance in Formula 1.

The duo had been with the team since the 2009 season.

"I must also thank Sebastien Buemi and Jaime Alguersuari for all their hard work over the past three seasons," added Tost.

"They have delivered some excellent performances which have helped the team move forward and develop. We wish them well for the future.

"However, one has to remember that when Scuderia Toro Rosso was established in 2005, it was done so with the intention of providing a first step into Formula 1 for the youngsters in the Red Bull Junior Driver programme.

"It is therefore part of the team's culture to change its driver line-up from time to time in order to achieve this goal."

Australian Ricciardo, who was the team's third driver this year, made his grand prix debut with the HRT team this season, impressing with his performances alongside the more experienced Tonio Liuzzi.

"This is a really big deal for me and something I have wanted ever since I was driving for Toro Rosso on Friday mornings at the races in the first part of last season," he said.

"To be honest, I am still jumping up and down with excitement at the news. In the second half of 2011 I learned a lot from the people I worked with, racing in eleven Grands Prix and I want to thank them for the opportunity they gave me.

"I have to say that joining Scuderia Toro Rosso was always my real goal, so a big thank you to Red Bull for giving me this fantastic opportunity and now I can't wait to get to work once testing begins."

Vergne will become the third Frenchman to race in Formula 1 in 2012, alongside Virgin's Charles Pic and Lotus's Romain Grosjean.

"First of all, I must thank Red Bull for all their support so far and for believing I am ready to take on the ultimate challenge of racing in Formula 1," Vergne said.

"Christmas has come early for me this year! Having driven for them a few times this year and also testing for Red Bull Racing in Abu Dhabi, I definitely feel ready to make the move, even if I know there is a big difference between testing and actually racing.

"I enjoyed working with the guys at Toro Rosso this year and I can't wait to be part of the team for real. Sitting on the grid in Melbourne next March cannot come soon enough."
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Old 12-14-2011, 01:45 PM   #106
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Sucks for those guys but things at STR were getting stale anyway. I didn't see either one of them as a race winner even if they were behind the wheel of an RB7.
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Old 12-14-2011, 01:52 PM   #107
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Wow! I really didn't see that coming. It was always a possibility, but still.
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Old 12-14-2011, 02:54 PM   #108
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Sucks for those guys but things at STR were getting stale anyway. I didn't see either one of them as a race winner even if they were behind the wheel of an RB7.
Agreed.
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Old 12-14-2011, 05:05 PM   #109
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I think Jaime had a chance, but Buemi hasn't done much in his years there. I just hope they realize that it takes a few years for most drivers to catch up, and I think Jaime's career, just like Kliens, was destroyed by starting too young.
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I put the blame squarely on the in season testing ban.

Any new driver in F1 over the past four years has been handicapped before they even turned a wheel.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:01 PM   #111
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Is it me or does Ricciardo somewhat look like trollface when he smiles.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:05 PM   #112
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I put the blame squarely on the in season testing ban.

Any new driver in F1 over the past four years has been handicapped before they even turned a wheel.
Couldn't agree more. Testing was a little out of hand before and expensive but zero sessions doesn't makes sense either.

I prefer the idea of testing at the circuit on Thursdays before a GP.
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Old 12-14-2011, 06:25 PM   #113
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I put the blame squarely on the in season testing ban.

Any new driver in F1 over the past four years has been handicapped before they even turned a wheel.
It was really horrible that the drivers who really needed it, couldn't get the test which was offered because that plan came in after they had come in.
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Old 12-14-2011, 08:23 PM   #114
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it also says a lot about the guys who have managed to get on top of F1 machines with the ban in effect.

Paul di Resta, um....
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Old 12-14-2011, 08:32 PM   #115
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I agree that the testing ban is a "little" overboard. And that the old testing had gotten very overblown.
They need a system that allows some testing and gives potential drivers some time behind the wheel of current tech cars.

Maybe as mentioned earlier some thurs testing, if they want to limit it, every other race. But only allow non-race drivers to participate.
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Old 12-15-2011, 03:42 PM   #116
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Anyone else see the article on JJ Lehto getting sent to jail?
http://planetf1.com/driver/18227/737...nced-to-prison

Apparently he was drunk, driving a boat at 80kph in a 5kph zone and crashed into a bridge support, killing his friend. Way to go. For those who don't remember, JJ Lehto was a teammate of Schumacher's at Benetton during his 1994 championship season.

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Old 12-15-2011, 04:10 PM   #117
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it also says a lot about the guys who have managed to get on top of F1 machines with the ban in effect.

Paul di Resta, um....
Yep, the problem with F1 these days is that since the teams can never agree to anything, which then forces the FIA to go from one extreme to another. V8's weren't ever required, but the teams couldn't agree to a rev limit and an intake restriction. Total ban on inseason testing wasn't required, but no one could agree on any restrictions, and now it appears the resource agreement can't get any agreement either, so we're looking at a huge decrease in budgets in the upcoming years probably.
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@Ol Gregg: Didn't JJ get totally stomped in '94?
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He also got dropped halfway through too.
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He also got dropped halfway through too.
Yea, '94 was not a good year for Mr. Lehto. His wiki page shoes the bridge he struck with the boat (driving or not driving).

In F1 news Ferrari and Sauber have announced the dates for their new cars as the day before the first Jerez test (6 Feb).

I wonder how much the Ferrari will look like the Red Bull?
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I wonder how much the Ferrari will look like the Red Bull?
Este Brawn!!!!

Why would the Ferrari look like the Red Bull?

I'm excited to see what the Mercedes looks like since they hired Geoff Willis and Also Costa...they should be contenders for a race win this year at least!
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Este Brawn!!!!

Why would the Ferrari look like the Red Bull?

I'm excited to see what the Mercedes looks like since they hired Geoff Willis and Also Costa...they should be contenders for a race win this year at least!
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Why? Because Ferrari can't think of anything on their own anymore... Maybe the McLaren man will help?

Merc should've been a contender in 2010 and 2011 given their resources and success in 2009. The BGP01 was a solid car to build from, as obviously the RB5 was. Ferrari and McLaren were waaaaaay behind in 2009, and have since surpassed Merc with ease.

I don't know what the deal is with Merc, but I'm not holding my breathe...
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It's all about people. I think with their two new hires that they'll be in good shape this year. We'll see what happens...I hope Nico gets a win, he deserves it.
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Why? Because Ferrari can't think of anything on their own anymore... Maybe the McLaren man will help?

Merc should've been a contender in 2010 and 2011 given their resources and success in 2009. The BGP01 was a solid car to build from, as obviously the RB5 was. Ferrari and McLaren were waaaaaay behind in 2009, and have since surpassed Merc with ease.

I don't know what the deal is with Merc, but I'm not holding my breathe...
Doesn't make any sense that the Ferrari would look like the Red Bull. Certainly not as RB is starting over this year with blown exhausts banned and their entire RB7 was designed around that one feature.
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Doesn't make any sense that the Ferrari would look like the Red Bull. Certainly not as RB is starting over this year with blown exhausts banned and their entire RB7 was designed around that one feature.
They still got the flexi front wing doe. I think without the EBD the RBR is still a superior car.
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