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Old 03-22-2012, 04:06 PM   #1651
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Sauber 2005 & Ferrari 2008 after Raikkonen blew it at the Belgian GP.
You mean when Raikkonen happened upon a corner where some useless fake German was diddly about on the racing line a lap down?
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:09 PM   #1652
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Giancarlo got 2nd behind Kimi the race before he went to Ferrari, and the only reason he didn't beat Ferrari that race was because of KERS. He was better and more proven than the drivers available to replace Massa.
The reason he didn't beat the Ferrari that day is because he didn't try to. He was on Raikkonen's ass the entire day.
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:10 PM   #1653
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so you think if you put Ayrton and Massa in the same team, Massa would still be #2?
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:12 PM   #1654
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I'm just saying Ayrton is more like Hamilton and Massa is more like who?
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:12 PM   #1655
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Answer: Barrichello
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:13 PM   #1656
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so you think if you put Ayrton and Massa in the same team, Massa would still be #2?
Basically.
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:13 PM   #1657
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When did Uncle Ben join the board?
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:13 PM   #1658
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I'm just saying Ayrton is more like Hamilton and Massa is more like who?
Massa is the average Joe, his time is over
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:14 PM   #1659
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I'm just saying Ayrton is more like Hamilton and Massa is more like who?
Riccardo Rosset.
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:17 PM   #1660
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Sauber 2005 & Ferrari 2008 after Raikkonen blew it at the Belgian GP.
So he was both teams #1 driver ahead of two World champions?! Well you are entitled to your opinion.
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:25 PM   #1661
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So he was both teams #1 driver ahead of two World champions?! Well you are entitled to your opinion.
Pretty much. JV fell off a cliff performance wise during his time @ BAR, and Kimi was content with bagging FLs for some reason.

Side note: I always liked the old Sauber livery.

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Old 03-22-2012, 04:42 PM   #1662
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Amazing how differently all of this would be analyzed if Hamilton didn't pass Glock on the last lap in Brazil in 2008.
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Old 03-22-2012, 04:48 PM   #1663
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Amazing how differently all of this would be analyzed if Hamilton didn't pass Glock on the last lap in Brazil in 2008.
Or if Alonso went to Ferrari in '07 instead of '10. BTW, that would have been such a flimsy title anyway. Probably the worst since Keke Rosberg's in 82?
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:07 PM   #1664
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Why so "flimsy"? Is Hamilton's title tarnished since he only won 5 races to Massa's 6*?

*thanks to the Spa stewards
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:21 PM   #1665
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Why so "flimsy"? Is Hamilton's title tarnished since he only won 5 races to Massa's 6*?

*thanks to the Spa stewards
It's flimsy because Hamilton was far and away on better form that year. Felipe had something like 2 gift wins, and should have gotten much worse punishment in Japan.
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:42 PM   #1666
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I think JV's title run in the Williams was about as flimsy as it gets.
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:45 PM   #1667
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Pretty much. JV fell off a cliff performance wise during his time @ BAR, and Kimi was content with bagging FLs for some reason.

Side note: I always liked the old Sauber livery.
The BAR was always a dog, (first race rear wing anyone?) they might of done better if they would of listened more to JV? but we will never know?
The sauber was a sweet looking car, but f<&euro;king hats were WAY to NASCAR!
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:57 PM   #1668
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The BAR was always a dog, (first race rear wing anyone?) they might of done better if they would of listened more to JV? but we will never know?
The sauber was a sweet looking car, but f<&euro;king hats were WAY to NASCAR!
That was their problem. He and his idiot manager were running the show. It's no coincidence that they got better once those two left.
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:01 PM   #1669
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Those Williams cars made average drivers (JV, Mansell, DH) into World Champs.

Just sayin'
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:03 PM   #1670
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I think JV's title run in the Williams was about as flimsy as it gets.
Sure if you consider 2nd place in his rookie year, ONLY to win in his second flimsy sure! Whatever floats your boat!
Schumacher much?!
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:10 PM   #1671
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Pretty much. JV fell off a cliff performance wise during his time @ BAR, and Kimi was content with bagging FLs for some reason.

Side note: I always liked the old Sauber livery.

I love that Sauber! I have a painting of it in my bedroom.
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:12 PM   #1672
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Sure if you consider 2nd place in his rookie year, ONLY to win in his second flimsy sure! Whatever floats your boat!
Schumacher much?!
Two words: Damon. Hill.

Those cars he had at Williams his first two years were excellent. Anyone could drive those cars to Championship ( and basically did).
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Old 03-22-2012, 06:31 PM   #1673
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That was their problem. He and his idiot manager were running the show. It's no coincidence that they got better once those two left.
Yeah, I hate that when people try to start new things AND try to run them.
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Two words: Damon. Hill.

Those cars he had at Williams his first two years were excellent. Anyone could drive those cars to Championship ( and basically did).
So masa could of won with them?
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Giancarlo got 2nd behind Kimi the race before he went to Ferrari, and the only reason he didn't beat Ferrari that race was because of KERS.
So you consider Fisi (in 2009) and Badoer to be A players, on par with the other top team drivers? Before you get all huffy reread my post that you took issue with: Ferrari didn't replace Massa with a top tier driver.
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