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Old 11-30-2011, 02:59 PM   #26
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Plastic intercooler rears its ugly head once again.
I would be more worried about the puny size of the intercooler rather than the plastic end tanks. Plastic makes for a perfectly smooth internal surface than cast aluminum which equals better flow while being lighter as well. Plastic is not necessarily cheaper though. It cost Ford more money to go with plastic intake manifolds for the Boss 302 Roadrunner engine than it would have cost to make them out of cast aluminum but it was done because of reasons I stated.
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Old 11-30-2011, 04:14 PM   #27
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Plastic disspiates heat better than what?

They make heatsinks out of aluminum, copper or even steel for a reason. The thermal conductivity of plastic is way below metal.

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Yeah for that matter they'd make the fins plastic too
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Old 11-30-2011, 04:25 PM   #28
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Still waiting for more information...

Supposedly this is the 1.6 DI Turbo from the Hybrid Concept.
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I'm pretty sure it was WingsofWar who noticed it first actually.
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um I don't think they would relocate the oil filter... that's no FB.
Its either an FB or a FA. The oil filter is in the same place as the FA/FB. Actually, the whole block resembles to the FB/FA so its going to be one of those for sure.

I'll update the thread title when we get more information.
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Old 11-30-2011, 04:30 PM   #29
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Yeah for that matter they'd make the fins plastic too
The end tanks are not meant for heat transfer and since plastic is a better insulator the air passing from side to side through the intercooler tube/fins will gain less heat in transport from the engine bay though plastic end tanks compared to aluminum which as a previous poster stated conducts heat much better than plastic.
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Old 11-30-2011, 04:34 PM   #30
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^What this guys said.
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Old 11-30-2011, 04:41 PM   #31
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Any update on this thing?
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Old 11-30-2011, 04:51 PM   #32
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This thread started within the last 24 hours, what kind of updates are you looking?!
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Old 11-30-2011, 05:23 PM   #33
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My Spec B intercooler separated, and my car was completely stock.
Mine didn't and I ran 17-18psi on it for years.

Also FYI - plastic is better for heatsoak. The stock TMIC has so little thermal mass that it cools off almost instantly. It's pretty damn good - for a small TMIC.

For this engine I would go with a perpendicular flow FMIC (all you longitudinal guys are doing it wrong. Really. All of you.), very little relative difference in post turbo volume. Tip-in tables that work? Fantastic.
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Old 11-30-2011, 06:09 PM   #34
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Any update on this thing?
Its still early over in Japan. I'm waiting for folks there to get back with photos and intel, but it probably won't be for another couple hours.
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Old 11-30-2011, 06:41 PM   #35
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Its either an FB or a FA. The oil filter is in the same place as the FA/FB. Actually, the whole block resembles to the FB/FA so its going to be one of those for sure.

I'll update the thread title when we get more information.
You're right, now that I look at it more closely I can see the little dish below the oil filter in the first photo. The part at the bottom looks like the exhaust outlet from the turbo. Hopefully someone can dig up some more pictures of it.
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Old 11-30-2011, 06:45 PM   #36
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Is that just for the US? If Subaru is planning a return to WRC don't they have to have a 1.6 liter engine?
The WRC would get the 1.6L and they would make a small batch for the public to get the homologation but everyone else in the world will get a larger 2.xL engine because you can't get 300+ hp out of a 1.6L and have a 60k mile warranty in place.
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Old 11-30-2011, 07:18 PM   #37
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Old 11-30-2011, 07:24 PM   #38
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...because you can't get 300+ hp out of a 1.6L and have a 60k mile warranty in place.
According to the scholars in general chat the WRX should have been 400+ hp years ago, how dare you contradict them.
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Old 11-30-2011, 07:32 PM   #39
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Updated the first post with the new photos.

Sadly, still no word on any info about the motor itself. Very strange.
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Old 11-30-2011, 07:48 PM   #40
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Interesting that the turbo motor only has direct injection. The FA has combo of direct and port injectors.

Also it seems that the days of near-firewall mounted turbos are coming to an end. This is great efficiency wise, but with the classic Suby AWD layout not so hot considering the overhang and weight distribution.
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Old 11-30-2011, 08:45 PM   #41
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Old 11-30-2011, 08:51 PM   #42
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^ That answered my question.

We are gonna need catless turbobacks and larger intercooler piping STAT!
The image stating that the WRX would be a 2.0FB turbo was at the LA show right? I'm guessing NA will get the 2.0 and TRoW will get the 1.6. Similar to the current 2.5 vs 2.0 WRX and STI. I'm really looking forward to this!
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Old 11-30-2011, 09:03 PM   #43
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Old 11-30-2011, 09:23 PM   #44
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It was officialy said that the WRX and STI would have a 2.0 FB turbo engine.

pay attention at minute 10.20

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Some non-SOJ exec saying it doesn't make it true. Its not exactly first hand information, or an actual production model being debuted.

However, the FA20 is a 2.0, so using that shortblock with this 1.6 motor wouldn't be difficult at all to do.

That 1.6T will show up in something for sure, it has to in order to increase fuel economy numbers.
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Old 11-30-2011, 10:05 PM   #45
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Very nice, never doubted a new turbo motor.

NASIOC engineers .... back to drawing boards. lol
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Old 11-30-2011, 11:18 PM   #46
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Interesting that the turbo motor only has direct injection. The FA has combo of direct and port injectors.....
I was wondering if Toyota was going to let Subaru use it's dual injector DI tech outside of the BRZ/86 twins. This might be part of that answer.
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Old 11-30-2011, 11:20 PM   #47
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Very nice, never doubted a new turbo motor.

NASIOC engineers .... back to drawing boards. lol
I don't think many people doubted that a new turbo motor would appear. I believe the debate was if it would see use in the BRZ eventually. That is still unknown.
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Old 12-01-2011, 12:21 AM   #48
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I was wondering if Toyota was going to let Subaru use it's dual injector DI tech outside of the BRZ/86 twins. This might be part of that answer.
Ya, looks like the dual injector setup might be just for the FA engine. Rather interesting IMO.
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Old 12-01-2011, 01:04 AM   #49
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Interesting that the turbo motor only has direct injection. The FA has combo of direct and port injectors.

Also it seems that the days of near-firewall mounted turbos are coming to an end. This is great efficiency wise, but with the classic Suby AWD layout not so hot considering the overhang and weight distribution.
Moves 2 feet forward but 2 feet DOWN? I'll take it. Also, the turbo isn't _that_ heavy.
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Old 12-01-2011, 01:46 AM   #50
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It was officialy said that the WRX and STI would have a 2.0 FB turbo engine.

pay attention at minute 10.20

Subaru Press Conference LA Auto Show - BRZ STi Concept Car and Company Direction - YouTube
But not if you listen to what he's saying before and after 10:20.
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