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Old 12-02-2011, 08:25 AM   #1
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News Hot Toyota GT 86 planned

Hot Toyota GT 86 planned

Toyota is already hard at work evaluating a high performance version of the new Toyota GT 86 sporting coupe. Chief engineer Tetsuo Tada says that not only is a supercharged GT 86 envisaged, test cars have already been made and are being evaluated by Toyota Racing Developments, the Japanese giantís in house tuning division.

Tada-san favours the supercharger approach because it is simpler to achieve than increasing engine size and doesnít wreck throttle response as turbocharging might. Indeed Toyota says that turbocharging along with four-wheel drive and wide tyres are what make sports cars boring to drive.

Supercharging is also a key competence for TRD which has been offering this kind of forced induction as an aftermarket kit for Toyotas since 1998. He would not be drawn on what kind of power a supercharged GT 86 might develop but Toyota is known to consider the carís chassis could easily handle an additional 50bhp to go with the 197bhp already generated by its Subaru 2-litre flat four motor, a view with which, having driven the car, we wholly concur. However he says the TRD is also looking at ways of modifying the suspension to cope with the extra power, raising the possibility of a still more substantial power hike.

TRDís most popular supercharger conversion is applied to the American market Tacoma pick up, boosting its 4-litre V6 engine from 233bhp to 301bhp suggesting that a 280bhp GT 86 with, critically, a massive boost in the low down torque the car currently lacks would be easily achieved. Even in the unlikely event that all the modifications added 100kg to the weight of the car, its power to weight ratio would still at least equal that of the 326bhp Nissan 370Z, a car capable of hitting 62mph from rest in 5.3sec and recording a top speed of 155mph. The standard GT 86 needs around 6.8sec and does 143mph. It is not yet known whether, if approved, the supercharged GT 86 would be offered as an aftermarket pack or as a model in its own right.

Tada also confirmed that it was so important to his team that even the standard GT 86 drifted properly that special tests were incorporated into the carís development programme specifically for this purpose, Ďthe first time this has ever been done on any Toyota.í

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Old 12-02-2011, 10:39 AM   #2
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Low end torque would be fun to have.
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Old 12-02-2011, 11:26 AM   #3
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So what Toyota is saying is that Subaru sucks.
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Old 12-02-2011, 12:50 PM   #4
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So what Toyota is saying is that Subaru sucks.
Know what makes cars exciting to drive? Floor mats that wedge the gas pedals down.

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Old 12-02-2011, 01:59 PM   #5
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BryanT, quoted from Toyota news:
Indeed Toyota says that turbocharging along with four-wheel drive and wide tyres are what make sports cars boring to drive.

which is a oxymoron since they for years made the AllTrac Turbo Celica / GTFour , i guess they still haz butt hurt from caught cheating with the turbo in WRC yrs back !!

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Old 12-02-2011, 09:55 PM   #6
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not go post this in our BRZ facebook group Andy.
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Old 12-07-2011, 11:43 AM   #7
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I don't know that I would call the Impreza a sports car... when I think "sports car" I think Corvette, porsche (not the suv's or sedan), miata, MR2, S2000 etc, etc - any other Front/mid engine rear drive 2dr vehicle (yes I know some porsche are AWD). Something that can be massaged into daily use or weekend use, but wouldn't make the best family car; basically something that was designed as a sports car right off the bat.
The impreza, however great a car it is, is way too practical to be considered a sports car, not to mention it was designed as a sedan first THEN got the rally treatment, it has evolved into what it is now, but it never was, and never will be a sports car. If you want to call an Impreza a sports car then you may as well call the MS3, MS6, SVT focus, cooper S etc etc, sports cars because they are warmed over versions of family cars. A volvo V70 wagon is turbocharged and awd, is that a sports car too?
The BRZ & Toyota/Scion could be considered sports cars (sports coupes?); they were designed from the ground up with that in mind. The lack of AWD doesn't bother me, and in fact makes them more attractive, just wish they had four doors. it was inevitable that Toyota and Subaru would start looking at turbo options, and IMHO have probably been working on that from day one.
I agree that AWD ruins a sports car, I also think that automatic transmissions, launch control and other nanny controls ruin sports cars. A sports car (to me) is about experiancing a car and driving, becoming as familiar as you can with the car and road. A sports car should provide a more raw driving experiance; it doesn't mean that AWD et all doesn't make for an easier driving experiance, just that I don't want it in my sports car.
Personally I don't even want ABS or traction control in my sports car, but sadly they are the norm now. I'm not saying I want a hand-crank starter and drum brakes, but all the advancements I don't need for spirited driving (nav, bitchin' sound system, TPMS, launch control etc etc) can be left out.
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Old 12-12-2011, 10:39 PM   #8
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I don't know that I would call the Impreza a sports car... when I think "sports car" I think Corvette, porsche (not the suv's or sedan), miata, MR2, S2000 etc, etc - any other Front/mid engine rear drive 2dr vehicle (yes I know some porsche are AWD). Something that can be massaged into daily use or weekend use, but wouldn't make the best family car; basically something that was designed as a sports car right off the bat.
The impreza, however great a car it is, is way too practical to be considered a sports car, not to mention it was designed as a sedan first THEN got the rally treatment, it has evolved into what it is now, but it never was, and never will be a sports car. If you want to call an Impreza a sports car then you may as well call the MS3, MS6, SVT focus, cooper S etc etc, sports cars because they are warmed over versions of family cars. A volvo V70 wagon is turbocharged and awd, is that a sports car too?
The BRZ & Toyota/Scion could be considered sports cars (sports coupes?); they were designed from the ground up with that in mind. The lack of AWD doesn't bother me, and in fact makes them more attractive, just wish they had four doors. it was inevitable that Toyota and Subaru would start looking at turbo options, and IMHO have probably been working on that from day one.
I agree that AWD ruins a sports car, I also think that automatic transmissions, launch control and other nanny controls ruin sports cars. A sports car (to me) is about experiancing a car and driving, becoming as familiar as you can with the car and road. A sports car should provide a more raw driving experiance; it doesn't mean that AWD et all doesn't make for an easier driving experiance, just that I don't want it in my sports car.
Personally I don't even want ABS or traction control in my sports car, but sadly they are the norm now. I'm not saying I want a hand-crank starter and drum brakes, but all the advancements I don't need for spirited driving (nav, bitchin' sound system, TPMS, launch control etc etc) can be left out.
I have to say that when talking about a sports car a real sports car I have to agree . still I love my 07 wrx but a true sports car it is not BUT it doesnt do bad for what it is ...
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Did we forget about the poor svx? Sure its awd(most of them) only auto, but damn did that 2 ton brick fly down the road =)
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