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Old 05-01-2012, 08:14 PM   #376
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Aerodynamics
Better fuel efficiency
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Less road noise

Most of your BMW's have a front end like a brick with rounded edges...
Oh please, save it.

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Old 05-03-2012, 01:54 PM   #377
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Hey. I thought that was approriate response to someone complaining about a sports car having a pointy front end. All other things being equal, the more aerodynamic car will be faster.
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:06 AM   #378
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I dont know why everyone is so set on this car having a turbo. The car was not designed to be fast in a straight line or be a dyno queen. It was designed to be a drivers car. A car that can handle. Go to any autox. Do you think the 400hp sti's and evo's are usually setting the fastest lap times of the day? Nope. Some old guy in a Miata is making everyone look silly. My 95 Impreza only had a 2.2L but I had every suspension mod possible done to that car. It beats s2000's, Sti's, Evo's, and won my local events all the time with only 120hp. It was a blast to drive. Its more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow....although a 250hp 7500rpm sti version is good to hear
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:59 AM   #379
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Here's me in a BRZ:



Trust me on this, the car is pretty much perfect just the way it is! I was one of the first people to whine that it wasn't AWD or Turboed but truth be told, I am glad it isn't either of those. A high compression, high revving, N/A motor in a nimble RWD car will provide lots of hassle free motorsports fun.
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Old 05-05-2012, 02:03 PM   #380
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Looks like a hardtop mx5
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Old 05-06-2012, 12:20 AM   #381
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look like a miata on steriod.
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Old 05-06-2012, 10:07 AM   #382
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I dont know why everyone is so set on this car having a turbo. The car was not designed to be fast in a straight line or be a dyno queen. It was designed to be a drivers car. A car that can handle. Go to any autox. Do you think the 400hp sti's and evo's are usually setting the fastest lap times of the day? Nope. Some old guy in a Miata is making everyone look silly. My 95 Impreza only had a 2.2L but I had every suspension mod possible done to that car. It beats s2000's, Sti's, Evo's, and won my local events all the time with only 120hp. It was a blast to drive. Its more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow....although a 250hp 7500rpm sti version is good to hear
I'm planning to put this very thing to the test. I have a 325 WHP WRX and I have a BRZ on order. I plan to run both cars at local AutoX events to see how they stack up on the same courses on the same day. Something tells me my stock BRZ won't be too far behind my modified WRX.
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Old 05-06-2012, 10:35 AM   #383
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I personally would much rather the brz STi version come with a carbon fiber roof and better brakes and sportier suspension..

People will make aftermarket turbo kits for them.. And realistically.. Like myself, a lot of enthusiasts would upgrade the turbo anyways.. So.. If the car has a low CG due to the flat 4 engine, and they throw a carbon fiber roof on there lightening the car and improving the CG.. I'd much prefer that.
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Old 05-07-2012, 02:09 PM   #384
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I'm planning to put this very thing to the test. I have a 325 WHP WRX and I have a BRZ on order. I plan to run both cars at local AutoX events to see how they stack up on the same courses on the same day. Something tells me my stock BRZ won't be too far behind my modified WRX.
What kind of suspension mods do you have on the WRX??
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Old 05-07-2012, 04:04 PM   #385
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What kind of suspension mods do you have on the WRX??
I still have the stock struts and springs, but I have upgraded sway bars, camber plates, front strut tower brace, and about every bushing you can think of.

The next logical mod would be coilovers, but before I spend any more money on my WRX, i want to see how my current setup compares to a stock BRZ on an AutoX course.

My future hopes are to build my WRX into a dedicated track car, while I use the BRZ for daily driver and AutoX.
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Old 05-11-2012, 04:52 PM   #386
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I want so bad, but ill wait for the STI version...
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Old 05-11-2012, 05:44 PM   #387
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look like a miata on steriod.
.....exactly what the world needed!!!
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Old 05-22-2012, 03:23 PM   #388
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I have been told that only 700 of these will be made nationwide for 2013, I don't know if the salesmen was trying to swindle me into making a down payment or if its true, it'd be pretty cool and i'd have more motivation to trade my WR LEMON for one if it was going to be that unique.
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Old 05-23-2012, 02:11 PM   #389
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The only way this car will last is if they make it difficult to get one and keep the pricing right. Everyone here defending lightweight, great handling, hi reving engine probably talked a lot of smack about the RX8 so why defend the BRZ? I loved my RX8, but it got totaled a couple of months ago and now I'm in a 2012 WRX limited. I love both cars, but they cannot be compared. The handling on my RX8 was much better, but I love the feeling of the turbo on my WRX...even stock it's pretty intense. BRZ and WRX/STi are completely different cars and shouldn't be compared. Whatever you like more you should buy...hopefully the BRZ doesn't go the way of the RX8 though.
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Old 05-23-2012, 03:12 PM   #390
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rx8 is great, esp suspension geometry, but then you get to the engine bay. rotary = fail. but you are right, that and a miata are about the only real viable comparisons out there
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Old 05-23-2012, 03:17 PM   #391
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rx8 is great, esp suspension geometry, but then you get to the engine bay. rotary = fail. but you are right, that and a miata are about the only real viable comparisons out there
What's wrong with the engine? 17 parts, only 3 move, 9k redline. It's really impressive
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Old 05-23-2012, 04:55 PM   #392
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perhaps that comment was overly influenced by personal taste. its impressive in the neat sense. but useable low rpm torque and fuel economy are two of my highest priorities and the lack of those makes me unwilling to deal with wankel quirkiness. i dunno, im used to dealing with the usual tradeoff between the two, but if you dont get either....
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Old 05-23-2012, 04:58 PM   #393
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Yeah low end torque is pretty bad to say the least. They are great for racing...well the 20b and 26b at least. 13b not so much. Gas mileage is pretty bad too. If a big car compnay like Toyota got into the rotories I'm sure the issues would be worked out.

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Old 05-25-2012, 12:18 PM   #394
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Here is some info on the rotary in racing applications from wikipedia:

"Applications[edit] Automobile racing
Mazda 787BIn the racing world, Mazda has had substantial success with two-rotor, three-rotor, and four-rotor cars. Private racers have also had considerable success with stock and modified Mazda Wankel-engine cars.[47]

The Sigma MC74 powered by a Mazda 12A engine was the first engine and only team from outside Western Europe or the United States to finish the entire 24 hours of the 24 Hours of Le Mans race, in 1974. Mazda is the only team from outside Western Europe or the United States to have won Le Mans outright and the only non-piston engine ever to win Le Mans, which the company accomplished in 1991 with their four-rotor 787B (2,622 cc/160 cu in—actual displacement, rated by FIA formula at 4,708 cc/287 cu in). The following year, a planned rule change at Le Mans made the Mazda 787B ineligible to race due to weight advantages.[citation needed]

The Mazda RX-7 has won more IMSA races in its class than any other model of automobile, with its one hundredth victory on September 2, 1990. Following that, the RX-7 won its class in the IMSA 24 Hours of Daytona race ten years in a row, starting in 1982. The RX7 won the IMSA Grand Touring Under Two Liter (GTU) championship each year from 1980 through 1987, inclusive."
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Old 06-07-2012, 03:12 PM   #396
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I dont know why everyone is so set on this car having a turbo. The car was not designed to be fast in a straight line or be a dyno queen. It was designed to be a drivers car. A car that can handle.
And boy, can she handle... such a fun little car to zip around in. A totally different experience from an STi but just as fun!
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Old 06-10-2012, 07:51 AM   #397
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Reality check - this is not a fast car, it is a fun car. Any meaningful test puts the BRZ around >>5 seconds per lap behind a STI/Megane/WRX - this is well known (on a dry track - on a wet track the difference is much greater). You are not going to get Porsche like performance for 28K. Enjoy the fun and accept the performance



MY10WRX = stage 2, all other vehicles stock

test track times 1
Cayman (stock not S or R) = 130.12
BRZ/GT86 = 1.35.24
MY11STI = 126.54

test track time 2
Cayman (stock not S or R) = 2.43.16
BRZ/FT86/FRS = 2.52.45
MY11STI = 2.36.87
MY11WRX = 2.41.24

The BRZ is great bang for buck, but it does need to be put in context e.g. EVO magazine, this is not to distract from the car which is not designed to be a STI/WRX or even genuine Cayman competitor - even Subaru Acknowledge this.

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Old 06-21-2012, 09:09 PM   #398
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i wonder why they made it almost exactly the same as the scion? Makes me think there might be an STi version (or at least an upgraded one) coming later.
Joint venture, Toyota designs (I believe) with Subaru power.
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Old 06-21-2012, 09:10 PM   #399
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Looks like a cross between a 350z and an Rx8 ... :|
I think it looks a little bit more like an Rx7/8 body
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I want so bad, but ill wait for the STI version...
I'm not sure I would trade my wrx for the brz at that price.
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