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Old 12-10-2011, 06:26 PM   #176
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I guess what I really want to see is the new WRX STI. This car is a nice little RWD car, but it just doesn't feel like a Subaru to me. Also, I'm admittedly irked by the fact there will be toyotas on the road that look the same. I would love to see Subaru apply these new styling concepts to a sedan/hatch complete with a turbocharged 2.0L. The mixture of practicality and brawn is what attracted me to Subaru in the first place.
I'm right there with you on the practicality and brawn. I may be a WRX/STI customer for life. Those cars just suit me perfectly. But I will be glad when the BRZ is available. Think of how sweet it would be as a track car. Almost Lotus like handling, imaginably controlable drifting, light weight and lower cost tires vs. WRX/STI. You might be able to attend more events when it costs less to run them. The fact that a magazine said it was second in handling only to a Lotus just makes me smile.
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Old 12-10-2011, 09:33 PM   #177
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For me to be interested, it would need another 50hp. Anyone have any production photos of the interior?

Now this: http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/n...led-2011-11-01 I would buy in a heartbeat as a second car.
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Old 12-10-2011, 10:45 PM   #178
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I would not hesitate to gut out this car to cut off another 300 to 400 pounds; even for a daily driver.
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Old 12-11-2011, 01:38 AM   #179
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For me to be interested, it would need another 50hp. Anyone have any production photos of the interior?

the scion has less silver, slightly different climate controls
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Old 12-11-2011, 01:49 AM   #180
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I would buy one if it had 300hp. Even if it just had the WRX engine in it, at WRX prices with WRX power with that weight I would buy it in a heartbeat.

The biggest reason I got a WRX was because as far as power to weight for the price you can't do much better (genesis is better but I didn't like the look, mustang too but I like suspension). Unfortunately the WRX is still super slow and needs an additional 100hp. A 200hp BRZ is a joke, I wouldn't even consider it. I don't understand who would buy it.
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Old 12-11-2011, 02:11 AM   #181
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Old 12-11-2011, 03:25 PM   #182
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I would not hesitate to gut out this car to cut off another 300 to 400 pounds; even for a daily driver.
+10 Sir. If I ever have enough money for a second Subaru, I will use your idea. SIIIICK 2 seater gutted cruiser autoXer Mid Ohio car. I would guess around 100-200lbs less. Batt, ziptie vs. fasteners, no backseat, no radio - use phone speaker , fix a flat vs. spare tire (if it gets one), lighter wheels, lighter bumper beams, keep interior trim pieces for looks. Done.

If any of you buy this car with that Navi, the Navi is bad a$$. If they use the same navi as the 2012 Forester Limited and Touring... The interior pic looks like it. The interface is nice as well as the EQ.

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Old 12-11-2011, 10:52 PM   #183
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I would buy one if it had 300hp. Even if it just had the WRX engine in it, at WRX prices with WRX power with that weight I would buy it in a heartbeat.

The biggest reason I got a WRX was because as far as power to weight for the price you can't do much better (genesis is better but I didn't like the look, mustang too but I like suspension). Unfortunately the WRX is still super slow and needs an additional 100hp. A 200hp BRZ is a joke, I wouldn't even consider it. I don't understand who would buy it.
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Old 12-12-2011, 11:11 AM   #184
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Old 12-12-2011, 11:23 AM   #185
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http://wot.motortrend.com/subaru-con...ne-143015.html


For anyone wondering this was just posted. subaru has confirmed theat there will be a turbo version of the BRZ. Whether or not it will be the sti version is beyond my knowledge
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Old 12-12-2011, 11:36 AM   #186
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http://www.inautonews.com/turbocharg...for-production

again another site confirming the turbo
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Old 12-12-2011, 12:01 PM   #187
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For anyone wondering this was just posted. subaru has confirmed theat there will be a turbo version of the BRZ. Whether or not it will be the sti version is beyond my knowledge
For the 50th time. No, that link says a turbo version of the BRZ's ENGINE.

Not a turbo BRZ.

In fact, the article clearly states that the turbo engine may never find its way into the BRZ.
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Old 12-12-2011, 12:03 PM   #188
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http://www.inautonews.com/turbocharg...for-production

again another site confirming the turbo
That one indeed claims Subaru has confirmed it.

Maybe they have...

But where is the source? Who confirmed it? When?
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Old 12-12-2011, 12:57 PM   #189
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http://www.inautonews.com/turbocharg...for-production

again another site confirming the turbo
Two turbo versions? Definitely would like to hear the source.
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Old 12-12-2011, 01:40 PM   #190
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That one indeed claims Subaru has confirmed it.

Maybe they have...

But where is the source? Who confirmed it? When?

i dont know the source but i got an email update from the site thats how i found out about it. it does sound very interesting, and also great since there are more than just thses two sites confirming it. i am still however looking for the source.
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Old 12-12-2011, 04:24 PM   #191
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Old 12-12-2011, 07:19 PM   #192
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reasons a turbo BRZ is inevitable:
a) if they dont do it, toyota will, and thusly be outsold
b) they have acknowledged a turbo version of the exact motor that is in the car will be made, and will provide the basis for next generation wrx/stis ...give me one logical reason NOT to have a brz model with it
c) every single review (including several subaru engineers) say its a great car, but if anything could use more power
d) the existence of GT300 plans
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Old 12-12-2011, 10:55 PM   #193
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You really think you're going to see a turbo Scion??
It's not the exact motor. It was in Japan and it was a 1.6 liter, not a 2.0.
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Old 12-13-2011, 12:32 AM   #194
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I don't understand why every new sporty car these days seems to be wearing a giant mouthguard. If the duct opening isn't that big, don't try to fake it with a big slab of flat black plastic! Where are these stylists coming from? The magnitude of suckness of those panels is far greater than the magnitude of coolness that would have been, were the duct opening actually shaped/sized like that.

Anyhow, I was very enthused about this project since nobody seems to make anything lightweight under $50k any more, and the $25k-$30k range seems to max out (min out?) at about 3200lbs and change. I would have preferred closer to 2500 flat, but 2700 is liveable. However, the part that discourages me (and I saw it coming when the engineers mentioned "drifting" in the early stages of development) is that the chassis balance is only 53/47. With a short flat-4 there was AMPLE opportunity to get the car to 50/50 (or even 51/49 empty to make it 50/50 with driver like the Miata).

That is not going to be balanced enough to drag me out of my '05 STi (and sell my '92 SR-powered 240SX track car) to get into a BRZ. My stock-ish S2000 (sold it to get the STi) was a far more balanced car than my S13, and the S13 has a lighter engine than it came with here, as well as all AC components removed and a gutted engine compartment (as well as mount- and perch-adjustable height coilovers so I can corner-weigh it without changing preload, if I ever get it all back together...). I haven't corner-weighted it since it went back into "back-burner project mode" a few years ago, but it is close to 2500 lbs and I estimate 52/48-ish by what's been removed (a OCD-ish engineer friend tabulated weight savings for each item removed from his track 240SX a few years ago, I am going by that). The S2000 had less power and much less torque and weighed around 250-300 lbs more, but was a better car to drive because of the balance. I know things like aluminum or composite panels would be too costly, and likely the same with a transaxle (like a Porsche 944 turbo, another 50/50 car I loved), but for goodness' sake, they could have made the firewall an inch or two further rearward to get the car to better distribution. Too much weight on the nose is why good sports cars like the 350Z are not on my "want" list, while cars like the 986 Boxster S are, despite increased maintenance costs.

Short version: Subaru, you missed the mark on chassis balance. Of course an STi variant with more power would be nice, but I can live with a moderate engine in a fantastic chassis, hence the reason a Miata or used Boxster will be higher on my list than the BRZ, even if they bump the power/grip later on.

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Old 12-13-2011, 12:56 AM   #195
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You really think you're going to see a turbo Scion??
It's not the exact motor. It was in Japan and it was a 1.6 liter, not a 2.0.
ya huh

word on teh street is toyota is going supercharger. its only a scion on US shores. but forced induction nonetheless.

confirmed by numerous sources, but quoted from AWsleeperWRX's link posted above, yes a turbo FA20:
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A representative of Subaru of America confirmed today that the company plans to build turbocharged versions of the 2.0-liter flat-four engine that recently made its debut in the companies all-new BRZ sports coupe and in the Toyota 86/GT86 and Scion FR-S variants.

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Old 12-13-2011, 03:06 PM   #197
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I don't understand why every new sporty car these days seems to be wearing a giant mouthguard. If the duct opening isn't that big, don't try to fake it with a big slab of flat black plastic! Where are these stylists coming from? The magnitude of suckness of those panels is far greater than the magnitude of coolness that would have been, were the duct opening actually shaped/sized like that.
I agree with this, I also don't understand why they can't just make the opening larger like this, the mazda 3 smiley has the same issue. I understand theres a bumper beam behind there, but just redesign it or don't try to make it look larger than it actually is... that simple.
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Old 12-13-2011, 04:15 PM   #198
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However, the part that discourages me (and I saw it coming when the engineers mentioned "drifting" in the early stages of development) is that the chassis balance is only 53/47. With a short flat-4 there was AMPLE opportunity to get the car to 50/50 (or even 51/49 empty to make it 50/50 with driver like the Miata).
Mazda actually specs out the MX-5 Miata as 52/48. I think it is hard to make judgement about the FR-S/BRZ unless you have actually driven it.
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Old 12-13-2011, 05:46 PM   #199
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I may have to side with subyski on this one. Even if the car is 53/47 the center of gravity may be low enough and the suspension may be positioned and designed well enough to wreck the small 50/50 cars. besides, if we remove that giant ugly flat black piece of bumper we may get a 50/50 car :P
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Old 12-13-2011, 06:41 PM   #200
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Rule #1 for releasing cool non-series sports cars is not to say it's going to be more cool in the future before the first sales roll in.BMW wrote that rule with their Z cars, each time they said M versions were off the table upon release.

The only reason I might suspect that subaru are being honest about the BRZ not getting a factory turbo is that there would be significant overlap between a turbo BRZ and a WRX of similar size and higher output.

In my opinion, there are 2 paths Subaru COULD take with these new sports cars which determines if the BRZ will get a turbo variant along with a couple other things.

Option A (most likely) is:

1:do a turbocharged STI version of the BRZ
2:have the WRX/STI be a single car only available in 300+hp trim as the flagship.
3ffer an "impreza GT" that is more similar to the current WRX by being a turbo variant of the Impreza minus the super high-tech bits for folks who need the extra space of the Impreza.

Option B
1:not turbo the STI version of the BRZ which eveyone knows would be lame.
2ffer a WRX at 260ish HP below the WRX/STI
3:Also offer a WRXSTI at 300+hp and the more high-tech trans etc.

I think why Option A is most likely makes sense on many levels.
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