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Old 08-10-2002, 11:02 PM   #1
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Have you ever seen yellowed over crackled Neon headlights? Well that's what mine are starting to look like. A couple of things:

1) The car is garaged always
2) The car is washed once a week waxed once a month. The headlights are always cleaned with mothers car wash, a glass cleaner, and just recently when I started to notice the problem Plexus plastic cleaner.
3) The cars sees a lot of highway miles and as such there are quite a few scratches/blemishes that have proven difficult to remove.

The globe just does not really shine anymore, and it *looks* like sun damage but the car lives in a garage...

As stated the car has 20K miles now and I have owned it for over a year. I would really like to perform some kind of preventive maintenance to get the headlights to gleam like new again. Anyone have any recommendations? Could this be a warrentied item perhaps?

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Old 08-11-2002, 01:24 AM   #2
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I doubt warranty....but they should not be doing that. I've never had my subies turn yellow. So warranty is a possibility. Take it to the dealer. Demand new ones.... It is due to UV oxidation. That hot Florida sun. You could try a plastic lens cleaner/polish.

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Old 08-11-2002, 01:41 AM   #3
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Mine are doing the same thing. I am either going to get another set from someone or just get some projectors.

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Old 08-11-2002, 02:03 AM   #4
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I would definitely try for the warranty.

The lenses are manufactured to withstand hot sun. Thats why they do desert testing.

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Old 08-11-2002, 09:52 AM   #5
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The next oil change I will mention it and see what they've got to say. Doubt I'll get anywhere though. If it is damage is due to UV then I fear for people who don't have their cars garaged. I mean, the car is practically never sitting out in the sun, only when driven (covered parking pretty much everywhere I go).

What kind of plastic cleaner? I'm already using Plexus which is like the NASA plastic cleaner polish. Which protects and cleans, but it's really not helping much.

I guess there are always people upgrading to morretts and WRC style and such so we probably have a good source of cheap stockers here

Thanks for the help.
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Old 08-11-2002, 01:14 PM   #6
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a guy i know who got his a year ago has that problem. he was like man your headlights are crystal clear! then i looked at his and they were all dull looking =/ this is in NY too, so its not a heat thing (he has like 25k miles)
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Old 08-11-2002, 10:51 PM   #7
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I would just like to say yeah, this is a great opportunity for you to get a new set of headlights. Hopefully either from the warranty or a nice cool looking conversion. Mind as well and your car would look so much better than that icky yellow stuff either way.

IMHO, go get some new headlight conversions. Now is a perfect time for you and hopefully you can afford them. I suggest some WRCs but I admit I like all the aftermarket headlights out for the WRX. You can't possibly go wrong here.

(Just don't do something like Altezzas or those Morette spider looking rear lights cause that's just UGLY in IMHO. However, that's a different scenario/situation.)

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Old 08-12-2002, 02:16 AM   #8
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I have almost 20K on my car. Never garaged, lots of freeway miles. I never clean the lenses with anything but a little soap and water. They look like new. There might be something in the cleaner that doesn't work well with the plastic that the light housings are made of....
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Old 08-12-2002, 12:45 PM   #9
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I have almost 20K on my car. Never garaged, lots of freeway miles. I never clean the lenses with anything but a little soap and water. They look like new. There might be something in the cleaner that doesn't work well with the plastic that the light housings are made of....
that's what i'm thinking, and i'm scared! i just bought mine and i don't need this crap!! i wonder........... they have a clear film that you cover your headlights with to prevent rocks etc from chipping your lenses...............wonder how that would work? when it gets all dented up, peel it off and replace!

i was going to paint the insides of mine, but if i have to bring them back in a year for warranty nevermind. i say go get new headlights, if you b!tch long and loud enough they will give you new ones...........
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Old 08-12-2002, 01:04 PM   #10
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I've got the acrylic headlight/foglight covers on mine, and I haven't noticed any yellowing. My car sits in the sun all the time, but I have low low miles. I'm thinking one of the chemicals your headlights are being exposed to is causing the problem.

If anyone is interested in the covers, PM McDade. He'll hook ya up.
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Old 08-12-2002, 02:18 PM   #11
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A few weeks ago, I was talking to a buddy of mine @ work, and he told me that he has always waxed his headlights/taillights. I was strangely baffled, but curious. So I did this the following week, and I haven't noticed anything funky with them, and when I was her, the water beads right off the headlights(and the paint too!)
You might want to try a wax cleaner/polish/wax like I did !~Motheres is my fav!

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Old 08-13-2002, 12:29 AM   #12
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It's not a chemical being exposed to them...what? Mother's Car Wash (soap) or 409/windex glass and surface cleaner? I use zymol z-2 on the rest of the car but not the headlights.

I only started using plexus (which is THE plastic cleaner) recently when I noticed the problem...it provides UV protection.
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Old 08-13-2002, 12:35 AM   #13
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Oh, you've used 409 and Windex on them? Hmm, there are some really strong solvents in those cleaners...
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Old 08-13-2002, 01:01 AM   #14
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A few weeks ago, I was talking to a buddy of mine @ work, and he told me that he has always waxed his headlights/taillights. I was strangely baffled, but curious. So I did this the following week, and I haven't noticed anything funky with them, and when I was her, the water beads right off the headlights(and the paint too!)
You might want to try a wax cleaner/polish/wax like I did !~Motheres is my fav!

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I do the same thing wash & wax my front & rear lights. UV protects them & gets them nice & shiny. I have also xaed my windshield. When it mists or spinkles the water just rolls off.

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Old 08-13-2002, 01:10 AM   #15
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I'm starting to have this problem, too. So I bought some of these...eyelids from www.speedfx.com $10.
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Old 08-13-2002, 08:29 AM   #16
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2) The headlights are always cleaned with . . .a glass cleaner
This is your problem. They call it "glass cleaner" for a reason. Your headlights are not glass. Stop using glass cleaner on them.
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Old 08-13-2002, 10:19 AM   #17
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3M aerosol glass cleaner is approved for plastics. If you have discoloration try the Meguiars plastic cleaner. It's a fine polish and is very safe. I think Pep has it.
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Old 08-13-2002, 10:50 AM   #18
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I have 55k on my WRX.. all highway miles... never garaged and it sits in the sun all day at work/home. My head lights are fine as well. I've had it for a year and a month now.

I wash them when i wash the car, no special cleaning and no waxing.
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If the yellowing is on the outside, you can pull them off and send them over to a professional, experienced car detailer. Have them buff them (like the paint), but with a mild compound. Be sure they know that the plastic will build/hold heat more than the paint and they will need to let them cool a little here and there. It should take it right off. I've done this with my old mkiv supra on the headlights, turn signals and taillights to great success.


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Old 08-13-2002, 11:19 AM   #20
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Get some plastic polish and clean em up.

Then wax your headlights with your car wax, I have been doing that for a while and my headlights are nice and shiny...
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Old 08-13-2002, 12:05 PM   #21
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I too have no problem with my headlights. I've got 33,000 miles (mostly highway), non-garaged, 1 year 4 months old, used only car wash and water on mine, NY State.

Curious...are you using high watt bulbs?

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Old 08-13-2002, 04:20 PM   #22
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No, no high wattage bulbs or anything...completely stock

And as for the 'solvents' in glass cleaner, please! 90% of the glass cleaner I'm using is water and the other 10% is pretty much isoproply alchohol. Certainly nothing that would have any effect on the plastic headlights.
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Old 08-13-2002, 09:25 PM   #23
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Isopropyl alcohol isn't great for plastic or rubber.
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Old 08-13-2002, 10:06 PM   #24
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It's only an activator to cause the cleaner (mostly water) to evaporate quickly and decrease streaking.

It's not good for some plastic (like glossy black plastic) because long term exposure could cause the plastic to 'dry out'. Does not really apply in this case
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