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Old 04-04-2012, 04:07 PM   #76
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I'm sorry guys, it has to be said: It's hideous.
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Old 04-04-2012, 04:15 PM   #77
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I'm sorry guys, it has to be said: It's hideous.
In opposite world.

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Old 04-04-2012, 04:46 PM   #78
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On the other hand a McLaren MP4-12C definitely is a dream car.
Or a Ford GT
Or a Carerra GT
Or if your standards are a bit lower even a Corvette ZR1

But not a viper.

At least not for me.
Most of your complaints in the rant above apply to these vehicles as well.
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Old 04-04-2012, 04:51 PM   #79
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I'm sorry guys, it has to be said: It's hideous.
Seriously? You're not disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing are you?
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Old 04-04-2012, 05:00 PM   #80
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I think the front is absolutely horrifyingly bad. The rest is nice.
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Old 04-04-2012, 05:09 PM   #81
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In opposite world.

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Seriously? You're not disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing are you?
Serious as a heart attack.

I just hate the front, it looks like a mixmash of a Spyker C8, Lotus Exige and some mid-2000's Super Street backorder body kit.

The rear, rear 3/4 and side view are alright though.
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Old 04-04-2012, 05:23 PM   #82
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i think it looks great! but it's also a collage of a lot of other cars. for example, the front end reminds me of a bit of a panoz esperante, crossed with a ferrari 550, with a little c6 corvette.
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Old 04-04-2012, 06:24 PM   #83
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The Viper pictured is not the standard Viper, at least according to the article.
"SRT chief Ralph Gilles drove not just a production Viper on stage but a race version that will compete in the GT class of the American LeMans series."
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:36 PM   #84
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It was a Viper GTS, not a GTS-R..
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:02 PM   #85
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it looks like a mixmash of a Spyker C8, Lotus Exige and some mid-2000's Super Street backorder body kit.
Kind of agree, but in general, it is pretty cool. I think the front is one of those designs that looks good from certain angles and hideous from others. The side and rear look damn good, for a Viper. The interior looks excellent in regards to a refinement and progression of the previous theme.
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Old 04-05-2012, 12:34 AM   #86
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I loved it, then I saw EIGHT.FOUR LITER WITH ONLY 640HP. Gross. Loss of interest has overcome me with an engine even worse than the vette in terms of power to displacement... The zr1 has definitely NOT met its match from what I can see so far :/
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:20 AM   #87
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I loved it, then I saw EIGHT.FOUR LITER WITH ONLY 640HP. Gross. Loss of interest has overcome me with an engine even worse than the vette in terms of power to displacement... The zr1 has definitely NOT met its match from what I can see so far :/
NA w/600 torque though. Only thing I'd want would be more revs... not sure if this is possible with the Viper motor. Also looks to be the first American interior that can compete with the Europeans. I'm going to give it a hard look.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:33 AM   #88
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The larger the displacement, the further away from high volumetric power efficiency numbers, at least in production engines, and especially natural aspirated ones.

Motorcycles get well over 100hp/liter.
Small sports car engines get around 100hp/liter
larger performance engines fall away from 100hp/liter the larger they get.

Mass/inertia of the rotating assembly, and pumping losses of that much swept volume increasingly work against power output per unit of volume.
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Old 04-05-2012, 09:08 AM   #89
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I loved it, then I saw EIGHT.FOUR LITER WITH ONLY 640HP. Gross. Loss of interest has overcome me with an engine even worse than the vette in terms of power to displacement... The zr1 has definitely NOT met its match from what I can see so far :/
Hp/displacement? Did I log into honda-tech this morning?
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Old 04-05-2012, 10:23 AM   #90
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As a life-long Viper lover, I approve. Looks good! Would love to see one in person.
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Old 04-05-2012, 10:48 AM   #91
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I loved it, then I saw EIGHT.FOUR LITER WITH ONLY 640HP. Gross. Loss of interest has overcome me with an engine even worse than the vette in terms of power to displacement... The zr1 has definitely NOT met its match from what I can see so far :/
You realize the ZR1 has a supercharger, right?
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Old 04-05-2012, 10:59 AM   #92
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I loved it, then I saw EIGHT.FOUR LITER WITH ONLY 640HP. Gross. Loss of interest has overcome me with an engine even worse than the vette in terms of power to displacement... The zr1 has definitely NOT met its match from what I can see so far :/
It N/A, the ZR-1 is supercharged. Also, the big engine, means tons of torque.

Sorry Honda boy, no VTEC here... yo.


Not sure if this has been posted. I love Jesse's reviews.

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Old 04-05-2012, 11:06 AM   #93
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I really don't understand what the big deal is about HP/L. For me, it's more a question of HP versus external dimensions and mass. A fully assembled LS family engine probably weighs in the low 400 lb range and is externally tiny compared to a lot of OHC engines. If an engine fits in just about anything, makes good reliable power, and doesn't weigh enough to screw up the handling, I don't care if it displaces 2L or 12L--you can build a sports car around it.

I don't care what kind of HP/L the Viper engine makes. 600+ hp is more than enough unless the completed car is ridiculously heavy.
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Old 04-05-2012, 11:16 AM   #94
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I like the look, it's more rounded and muscular like the early generations, than the previous version.

The only thing I don't really like are the headlights and the LEDs. Why does everyone gotta put LEDs. Besides Audi and Porsche, most look out of place and an after thought.
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It speaks to how efficient the engine is. HP/L measures how well a given displacement engine can turn gas and fuel into power.

Take the corvette 5.7 L in 1975, which made something like 150 HP.
Then take the LT5 5.7 L which made 400 HP. Same displacement but much better induction system. Granted that has DOHC, so it was bigger.

however, there are plenty of 5.7 liters with pushrods that are more 'modern' that 350+ HP form the same 5.7 liters that are idendical in size to that POS 1975 350 cid engine.

So I like HP/LIter figures.
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It's a good measure of technical development and efficiency, but my point was that there's a lot more to it than that. In the case of the GM LS engines, the ~7L Z06 version might have lousy specific output compared to a lot of OHC engines, but it's ~500 bhp packed into traditional small-block dimensions--a pretty impressive achievement.
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It's a good measure of technical development and efficiency, but my point was that there's a lot more to it than that. In the case of the GM LS engines, the ~7L Z06 version might have lousy specific output compared to a lot of OHC engines, but it's ~500 bhp packed into traditional small-block dimensions--a pretty impressive achievement.
People don't realize that peak power figures is not all about in an engine.

It's the power and torque curve they are trying to fit the character of the car.... and the Viper is about the low end torque, to allow it to take off right away at any gear.

I'm sure they can extract more power, by increasing the revs and spreading out the torque curve.

But its no Honda VTEC, where you have to rev to the moon and still got no go.
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Old 04-05-2012, 12:08 PM   #98
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I loved it, then I saw EIGHT.FOUR LITER WITH ONLY 640HP. Gross. Loss of interest has overcome me with an engine even worse than the vette in terms of power to displacement... The zr1 has definitely NOT met its match from what I can see so far :/
ZR1 has a hard time dealing with the genIV Viper. So a more powerful and lighter Viper on a new chassis will definitely not keep up with ZR1. I wonder what Chevrolet's response will be to the interior. More faux carbon fiber trim?

Speaking of interior, the passenger center grab handle on the genV Viper is very similar to the Murcielago.

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Old 04-05-2012, 10:57 PM   #99
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Just for those who responded to me, I had the base vette in mind when thinking hp/liter, not the ZR1. The part about the ZR1 in my comment was an answer to their question at the end of that video. Sorry for the misleading comment.

To White out: I know lol, I hate that **** carbon fiber trim so much... reminds me of the stupid s2000 CR interiors. And yeah, I think the viper has been pretty much the fastest track car for the money for a long time, I just prefer extremely fascinating engineering over performance, unless price is just THAT good. The team Oreca viper was by far and above my favorite GT car and my idol car for the longest time when I was young.

To H2BS: That's true to a point, but not nearly as much as you imagine I think. Higher rpm's seem to be another very large factor in creating more hp/l. I don't know if its just bad dynamics of a v10, in a somewhat similar fashion to diesel engines for example, or they didn't want to spend the cash to make it take higher rpm's, but they could have gotten better I think. Take the mustang 5.0, pretty damn large to me, and yet still really close to 100hp per liter AND good gas mileage for its size. That is some damn good engineering.
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Here's the best way to explain the Viper's low revving engine (from 2008):

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At 2500 rpm, the Viper makes more torque than the Z06 does at its peak.

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