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Old 12-21-2011, 08:00 AM   #26
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In the Subaru Impreza Owners Manual 7-36 it describes how to deactivate the feature. However the warning light will be on after you disable Hill Start Assist:

https://pictures.dealer.com/subaruof...6faf050439.pdf
The STi can have it turned off, the WRX cannot.

It drives me nuts because i've spent so many year driving without it. On steep hills i'm fine, because i'm in the mentality to move quick anyway. but on slight hills, ones that the car would barely move anyway, it is just infuriating. I'll try to take off like i normally would, and it holds on to the brakes just a bit too long, and actually causes the engine to bog down and almost stall. If it wasn't on i'd be pulling away just fine.


go do some searching, there is a way to mess with the clutch position switch and turn it off. I guess there are two, one does hill start and cruise control. You can trick that one into thinking that the clutch is always engaged, so hill start will never turn on. But it does mean that pushing the clutch in will not disengage cruise control, so be prepared to deal with that.
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:08 AM   #27
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There's definitely a way to do it. I was stuck in the snow once and turned the VDC on and off a few times to try to get out. Eventually the hill start assist light came on. It turned off again the next time I started the car. I'm not sure what I did, but some combination of pressing the VDC does let you turn off the hill start.

Turning it off is going to leave a light on in the dash though. Apparently the hill start will hold whatever amount of brake pressure you apply before letting off the brake. So if you don't smush your brake to the floor when you're stopped, it will disengage much easier.

I hate the system...it's only useful when trying to parallel park on a hill. Just trying to offer some ways I've tried to live with it.
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:36 AM   #28
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This is easily my least favorite thing about the car, wish someone would figure out a way to disable it via Accessport/tactrix or by telling the right story to a tech at the dealership.
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Old 12-21-2011, 09:42 AM   #29
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All I do is time it. I found it is awesome. Stop on HILL. Right foot brake, left foot clutch in, shifter in gear. Right foot off brake and cover accelerator pedal. Count in your head 1, 2, 3. Go. No issues. Actually it is quite cool. Now is it necessary absolutely not. Is it a cool feature sure? Have fun, happy boost days.
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:51 AM   #30
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This is easily my least favorite thing about the car.
I just don't understand the hate for this feature. I guess I don't stop on enough hills to care, but when I do I like it. I've been driving stick for 20+ years, this feature hardly ruins the experience. YMMV I suppose.
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Old 12-21-2011, 02:54 PM   #31
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I honestly believe that a lot of people incorrectly blame the hill assist for their inability to deal with the difficult clutch (when compared with most other consumer vehicles) and awd of their scoob. There is already a good example of that in this thread... blaming the feature for killing the engine.
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:51 PM   #32
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I definitely find this car harder to drive than all my other manuals. I'm not sure if it's due to the hill assist or not. It's super easy to bog or over rev in first gear. Seems like anytime my rpms drop below 1k they fall so rapidly that the car just wants to stall regardless of how much I engage the clutch.

In my speed3 I could be in reverse and switch to first on a backwards roll and as long as I had my clutch in it would settle at around 500rpm and my transition to first was smooth. I pretty much gave up trying in the WRX. I'd either stall or over rev.

*edit* Sounds like this ^ is due to the hill assist. Makes sense.

I've got some years under my belt driving standard cars and sometimes in this I feel like it's my first day.

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Old 12-21-2011, 08:55 PM   #33
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I honestly believe that a lot of people incorrectly blame the hill assist for their inability to deal with the difficult clutch (when compared with most other consumer vehicles) and awd of their scoob. There is already a good example of that in this thread... blaming the feature for killing the engine.
Maybe this applies to me as well. Though i've had an Audi and a 99 Impreza and I don't recall having these experiences.
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Old 12-21-2011, 09:27 PM   #34
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I honestly believe that a lot of people incorrectly blame the hill assist for their inability to deal with the difficult clutch (when compared with most other consumer vehicles) and awd of their scoob. There is already a good example of that in this thread... blaming the feature for killing the engine.
Oh no, I must be a worst driver than the car was designed for...

I have driven for over 40 years... Probably stalled 5 times in those 40 years driving all kinds of cars, trucks, transport trucks, cranes, & equipment, I do believe I can drive pretty good... I buy the STi and wham, probably stalled 20 times in the 1st year, 2 of them, I must say were my fault, the others were the hill assist not coming off fast enough for my stile of driving. Meaning I want to start off on a hill and timing it like there was no brake on and not wanting to roll back (because I released it) but oh no, that's not allowed by this "helpful" system... NO, you have to wait about 1.5 seconds before actually engaging the clutch or risk the brake being on and stall... Since I have "dumbed down" my driving in the last couple of years I probably only stalled 2X but it's so exasperating that here I am, spouting off becoming an A-Hole on the subject...

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Old 12-22-2011, 02:11 AM   #35
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OMG this again!!!!!! Not directing this at the OP though. I can understand your need to disable. To the others who like it... good for you. Learn your car properly and you will never need it anyways. It is a pos gimmick made for peeps who are not coordinated to release the clutch in time when on a slope... nuff said!!!

There is a delay... no "ands" "ifs" or "buts". It will cause you to stall if you need to quickly move out of the way when you release and rev/clutch and accelerator. If you haven't.. good for you. And when you do... I will be laughing with the guy behind you who is thinking "Wow... that guy owns a super nice and fast sports car.. and doesn't even know how to drive it."

No sense in arguing. We buy this car for speed and power along with safety. Not to stop on a slope and watch this magic almighty subaru ingenious gimmick make me stop on a hill going "look mommy.. my foot is not on the brakes and I did not roll an inch." thingy.
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OMG this again!!!!!! Not directing this at the OP though. I can understand your need to disable. To the others who like it... good for you. Learn your car properly and you will never need it anyways. It is a pos gimmick made for peeps who are not coordinated to release the clutch in time when on a slope... nuff said!!!
For the love of God this.

I learned how to drive on a manual transmission, which means i'm perfectly comfortable with hill starts. I don't even have to think about them anymore, they just happen. Well until the WRX that is. Now i have to think because the brakes release with the clutch up higher than i'm expecting, and in doing so it screws with my timing. There is absolutely no need for this "feature" if you've learned how to properly drive a manual transmission.


and don't go claiming that subaru clutches are harder than other cars because of AWD, thats complete BS. The clutch in this car is stupid easy to use.
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Old 12-22-2011, 09:05 AM   #37
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This thread is discouraging as I'm about to order a 2012 and my brother's '04 WRX is really easy to drive.

Anyone had luck asking the dealer to disable it?
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This thread is discouraging as I'm about to order a 2012 and my brother's '04 WRX is really easy to drive.
This is so overblown, don't worry about it. There are a few blowhard hardcore drivers in here who are all upset because this system interferes with their driving style (oh the irony). I've found the MY11 WRX to have a more difficult clutch than other cars I've owned but it has nothing to do with the hill assist. This system only comes into play when starting from a complete stop on an incline, no other situations.
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It's not a major issue and shouldn't prevent anyone from buying the car. I'm more disappointed in the interior rattles that I feel shouldn't be present in a 30k+ car.
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...here I am, spouting off becoming an A-Hole on the subject...
agreed.
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It is annoying. I know how to drive a manual on a hill. I don't want your device to try and help me
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:21 PM   #42
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Oh no, I must be a worst driver than the car was designed for...

I have driven for over 40 years... Probably stalled 5 times in those 40 years driving all kinds of cars, trucks, transport trucks, cranes, & equipment, I do believe I can drive pretty good... I buy the STi and wham, probably stalled 20 times in the 1st year, 2 of them, I must say were my fault, the others were the hill assist not coming off fast enough for my stile of driving. Meaning I want to start off on a hill and timing it like there was no brake on and not wanting to roll back (because I released it) but oh no, that's not allowed by this "helpful" system... NO, you have to wait about 1.5 seconds before actually engaging the clutch or risk the brake being on and stall... Since I have "dumbed down" my driving in the last couple of years I probably only stalled 2X but it's so exasperating that here I am, spouting off becoming an A-Hole on the subject...
Hmmm.... my is def not a full 1.5s (that too would drive me insane), nor have I stalled my WRX more than twice in 30+k miles. Of course, I only have 12 years of driving under my belt, and haven't operated a crane (got the rest tho, plus a couple exotics like a tank). And I do find the clutch to be much harder than say a Honda or my Tacoma. Others driving my car have said the same; all were competent, intelligent people (or they wouldn't be driving my drunk a$$ home).

Sounds like your "style" is broken. 20+ stalls in anything = not learning and forcing the issue.

And to the last part, I'm always an a-hole; tho it's rarely my intention. Let's just call it assertiveness so no one has to file a hurt feelings report.

My major point is that the system works perfectly, won't prevent you from achieving anything from launches to rolling starts, so long as you make adjustments for it. How does this apply to the OP... disable (whatever it is you don't like about) the feature by using it correctly.
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Hmmm.... my is def not a full 1.5s (that too would drive me insane), nor have I stalled my WRX more than twice in 30+k miles. Of course, I only have 12 years of driving under my belt, and haven't operated a crane (got the rest tho, plus a couple exotics like a tank). And I do find the clutch to be much harder than say a Honda or my Tacoma. Others driving my car have said the same; all were competent, intelligent people (or they wouldn't be driving my drunk a$$ home).

Sounds like your "style" is broken. 20+ stalls in anything = not learning and forcing the issue.
And to the last part, I'm always an a-hole; tho it's rarely my intention. Let's just call it assertiveness so no one has to file a hurt feelings report.

My major point is that the system works perfectly, won't prevent you from achieving anything from launches to rolling starts, so long as you make adjustments for it. How does this apply to the OP... disable (whatever it is you don't like about) the feature by using it correctly.
Yea, It's hard to UN-LEARN 40 years of doing something the right way, it becomes instinctive... But I did get over it, and stalling 2X in 2 years driving 41,000 Miles can't be considered that bad...

Adjustments, yea that is the basic problem for me, it bugs me that Subaru put this little helper on a car like this, I think my grandma could use it if she wanted to drive my car and be very happy that it's there, so yea I agree, now that I thought it through, it IS a good idea to have this little helper in cars like this...

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For the love of God this.

I learned how to drive on a manual transmission, which means i'm perfectly comfortable with hill starts. I don't even have to think about them anymore, they just happen. Well until the WRX that is. Now i have to think because the brakes release with the clutch up higher than i'm expecting, and in doing so it screws with my timing. There is absolutely no need for this "feature" if you've learned how to properly drive a manual transmission.


and don't go claiming that subaru clutches are harder than other cars because of AWD, thats complete BS. The clutch in this car is stupid easy to use.
Totally agree. And to that other guy spouting off that it doesn't interfere and has 12 years driving under his belt.. I laugh. In fact I farted when I laughed. 12 entire years...omg... medal of honor.. badge of courage for you.

It interferes. When one person says it interferes then it can be debunked. When a bunch of us says it interferes.... i'd say give up posting.

To anyone who thinks it is a deal breaker... don't. The wrx/sti is a wonderful car. Don't let this dumb azz gimmick of a grandma helper device put you off. There will be a way to disable it.. or in the case of the sti.. it can.

Does anyone know why it can be disabled easily on the STI and not the WRX? Was it because the engineers understood that a hardcore/edgy sports car doesn't need a "crutch"? I don't know but sometimes think about it. Or were they thinking about catering to women drivers and grandmas for the wrx's? See my point now "12 years of driving" poster. It is not needed. And they knew somehow it will interfere or is not needed so they offered to disable it on the STI. Got it? Nope? Ok... i give up. I need to go watch porn now.
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Sounds like the people having difficulty with the hill assist need to learn how to use the wrx/sti clutch properly. Perhaps the problem resides in the driver's seat instead of the computer. Now before you get all defensive, just read on a bit.

I learned to drive a manual the day I turned 16 & got my license. It's amazing how a combination of zero experience, your Dad in the passenger seat, and 5 o'oclock traffic can hasten learning to drive a manual. There has always been at least one manual in my garage, including a 57 Bel Air, 65 El Camino, toyota pickup, mazda glc, s10, colt, toyota, bmw e30, motorcycle, atv's, vans and now an 09 sti. Heck, I even remember driving a 68 beetle with a clutchless 3 speed somewhere along the line. I autocross regularly and have been driving for over 28 yrs, but I can't remember ever stalling any of them more than once or twice (some never) once I learned the proper technique with each vehicle. Every clutch system has a different feel and will require different degrees of clutch/gas pedal synchronization. I don't engage the clutch any different on hills than on flat ground and don't have any problems with normal driving or quick launches. By the way, I'm far from perfect at everything I do, but I'll be damned if there's a vehicle that I or anyone else can't learn to drive with a bit of practice!

Do yourselves a favor and instead of attempting to overide a feature which gives you some difficulty, just drive & practice your technique - in the end, you'll be a more accomplished driver and proud that a computer hasn't gotten the best of you! And down the line when someone asks you if you can drive something, you can tell them "I can learn to drive anything".
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Yea, It's hard to UN-LEARN 40 years of doing something the right way, it becomes instinctive... But I did get over it, and stalling 2X in 2 years driving 41,000 Miles can't be considered that bad...

Adjustments, yea that is the basic problem for me, it bugs me that Subaru put this little helper on a car like this, I think my grandma could use it if she wanted to drive my car and be very happy that it's there, so yea I agree, now that I thought it through, it IS a good idea to have this little helper in cars like this...
Hold yourself to a higher standard, if you really are that good at driving standard this really shouldn't phase you all that much.

It took me all of a few days to alter my pull away method to work with this feature, now that I'm accustomed to it and know how to work with it pulling away on busy hilly streets is probably even easier than it was previous, sure I have to go back to the old method when I'm driving other stuff....but that's why you need to be aware of the ins and outs of the vehicle you're driving.

Go find some deserted hill somewhere and play around with your clutch engagement points / throttle until you find the sweet spot, once you do the feature becomes nearly transparent, I had reservations about it when I first got my car as well, but the feature really is pretty good once you learn how to work with it instead of trying to work against it.

Stop using the I've been driving for xx years and cannot change excuse, it's lame; adapt.

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I was under the impression the hill-holder releases the brake as soon as you try and move forward - I don't understand how people are stalling because of the hill holder system? I think it's awesome (I used to always handbrake start on hills, but now I don't).

If your clutch is engaged and you're attempting to move forwards and stall, are you sure it's the hill holder failing and not you?
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going uphill in bumper to bumper traffic and taking 5 or 6 traffic light change cycles just to get through the intersection, highlights how annoying this 'feature' can get.

If subaru had the thought of giving STI's the toggle option, I would have expected them to include the option across the board.

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I was under the impression the hill-holder releases the brake as soon as you try and move forward - I don't understand how people are stalling because of the hill holder system? I think it's awesome (I used to always handbrake start on hills, but now I don't).

If your clutch is engaged and you're attempting to move forwards and stall, are you sure it's the hill holder failing and not you?
no. it seems to be timed. i release off the brake an start to release the clutch/give gas and it doesn't go anywhere. by the time the initial sequence of the throttle/release of the clutch, that would normally make me start to move, is over and the rpm is too low so the car stalls. i never moved anywhere bc the assist had the brakes locked. it is annoying as piss
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