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Old 12-21-2011, 06:41 PM   #1
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Question Moving from Summit to Salt Lake county, emissions woes

Ahoy everyone, I haven't posted here in a really long time.

Background:
I've had my car registered in Summit county since 2004 under my parent's address - bumming that address like a boss. They've since moved and I need to move registration under my address in Salt Lake county. As you all know, Summit county doesn't require an emissions test. I thought my current setup (see below) would pass emissions without any issues, but unfortunately the Jiffy Lube nearby said "nay" and failed it on the basis that I only have one cat and no o2 sensor.

Official results state:
Catalyst: TAMPERED
OBD System: TAMPERED

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Catted Cobb DP, WBR catback with resonator on midpipe (forester specific), catless uppipe, AcessPORT stage 2 map

Next Steps:
Judging from some of the threads I've read, mostly dated to 2010, I might just be SOL. Is my only option to put my stock exhaust back on to pass the emissions test or is there a shop which will pass my setup? Alternatively, would a different catback or midpipe with a cat solve the problem? I assume the latter would still have issues with the lack of an o2 sensor.

Thank you in advance for the discussion and I apologize if I have missed a post already in existence which deals with this exact issue.
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:47 PM   #2
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Is there a reason you cannot use your parents' address in Summit county any more? You're already bending laws to get your car passed and use it legally; I don't personally see the harm in bending another (pointless) law and leaving it registered in Summit county.
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:58 PM   #3
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Is there a reason you cannot use your parents' address in Summit county any more?
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They've since moved
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Old 12-21-2011, 11:51 PM   #4
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if it's not too bad to throw on the stock exhaust, i'd just do that. unless you find someone that will do it.
i just feel like it's a stretch to ask a tech to risk his license to pass your stuff.. but that's just me.

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Old 12-22-2011, 12:29 AM   #5
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if it's not too bad to throw on the stock exhaust, i'd just do that. unless you find someone that will do it.
i just feel like it's a stretch to ask a tech to risk his license to pass your stuff.. but that's just me.

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I absolutely agree. I wouldn't want anyone to risk their license for me unless they already do it on their own for whomever knowing full well the risk involved.

I think I'll probably end up swapping the stock exhaust in for the test... I just wanted to make this thread to see if there were other less time-consuming options which I was not aware of or had not thought of.

Thank you thus far for the discussion.
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Old 12-22-2011, 12:45 AM   #6
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or if there are any emissions techs on this here forum that pass fellow subarus... speak up! if you want to...
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:28 AM   #7
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have the dmv change your mailing address to something else so you still get your mail from them but keep the car registered in summit.
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:40 AM   #8
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I'm sure you can find someone that will pass it the way it is. They are around from what I hear. I haven't had to search for one though...
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Old 12-22-2011, 03:25 AM   #9
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I'm sure you can find someone that will pass it the way it is. They are around from what I hear. I haven't had to search for one though...


Thanks for the insightful post.
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Old 12-22-2011, 03:40 AM   #10
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How did you get a "tampered" for obd system?
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Old 12-22-2011, 04:10 AM   #11
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Sorry, read it as "I've since moved."
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Old 12-22-2011, 09:29 AM   #12
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It's so hard to pass Emissions crooked -_____-
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Old 12-22-2011, 10:51 AM   #13
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Get a PO box in summit county.

Or other illegal ideas;

Make a fake emissions report, can't be that hard and you know that DMV worker doesn't check.
Bribe or threaten black mail to a tester, booze or drugs works well, its not your job to loose.
Steal someone else's registration sticker off there licence plate, you know they don't need it as bad as you do.
Don't register it and run from cops when they try to pull you over, your cars fast right?




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Old 12-22-2011, 11:56 AM   #14
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How did you get a "tampered" for obd system?
I would suspect its the lack of the o2 sensor and the readiness code still being set. No doubt the tech said it was tampered and not the computer reading it out.
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Old 12-22-2011, 12:18 PM   #15
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Will a Subaru pass a readiness test with a AP installed?

I didn't think they will, especially sense stage II disables codes.

Sounds to me like you failed on visual alone.

It shouldn't be to hard to find somebody to pass you on visual given your down pipe does have a cat. The real issue is that on OBDII+ cars they just plug it in to see if you have any codes relating to the o2 sensors and such. This is the readiness test, you would probably have to uninstall your AP in order to pass this test.
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Old 12-22-2011, 02:52 PM   #16
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Or other illegal ideas;

Make a fake emissions report, can't be that hard and you know that DMV worker doesn't check.
Bribe or threaten black mail to a tester, booze or drugs works well, its not your job to loose.
Steal someone else's registration sticker off there licence plate, you know they don't need it as bad as you do.
Don't register it and run from cops when they try to pull you over, your cars fast right?

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Back in the day under Dear Leader Jimmah Cahtah the national speed limit was 55 MPH. As a result, 90% of the citizen taxpayers (what a concept these days huh?) were lawbreakers.

The OP spent an extra $100 for a catted DP and his tailpipe emissions could be pure as the driven snow but he can't LEGALLY register his car. Pathetic.
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Old 12-22-2011, 03:20 PM   #17
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Will a Subaru pass a readiness test with a AP installed?

I didn't think they will, especially sense stage II disables codes.

Sounds to me like you failed on visual alone.

It shouldn't be to hard to find somebody to pass you on visual given your down pipe does have a cat. The real issue is that on OBDII+ cars they just plug it in to see if you have any codes relating to the o2 sensors and such. This is the readiness test, you would probably have to uninstall your AP in order to pass this test.
He failed because they have installed new machines that can tell if the ECU has been tampered with. This has been poping up more and more around here. Sounds like Cobb needs to make a fix for the problem and program their software such that these machines can't tell it's been tampered with.

Has anyone else that is running a Cobb modified map passed recently? Post up where you went. I'm willing to bet it's ONLY THE NEW MACHINES that can detect this info.
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Maybe it's just me, but I find it rather comical that you make illegal on public road modifications then bitch about not passing emissions.

Never had to worry about that problem
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Even with the stock exhaust on, would I have to uninstall the AP to avoid that OBD from failing as zizux suggests? It's not that big of a deal, just wondering if anyone knows the answer before making an assumption on the matter. I haven't tampered with my setup since putting it together in 2006 so I'll have to re-read some guides to make sure I do it all correctly.

Are there any catback setups, or midpipe which would connect to my WBR axleback, which include a cat? Installing a second cat, uninstalling the AP, and putting an o2 sensor (not sure how this is done) on the DP should fix all of that; I would just run that setup, with the AP installed, after emissions. It kind of makes me sad I uninstalled the stock uppipe, but given the stories I've heard of peaces of the uppipe cat breaking off I guess I'm not that sad.

Sorry I don't know how to embed more than one quote in a post:
@Momosaurus WRX: As previously mentioned, I have an AP installed which tricks the OBD, hence that reading.

@Not-EWRX: I went to the Jiffy Lube on 1700 S. and Foothill... I had a coupon, lol.

@wrxl98: Lol, some people may choose one of those paths.

@zizux: It's possible I failed on visual alone, but with the cat on the Cobb DP and a fat resonator on the WBR catback (could be mistaken for a cat by an unexperienced technician I suppose) I'm not sure. :shrug:

@azn2nr: I was under the impression that I had to move the registration to my current residence.

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Maybe it's just me, but I find it rather comical that you make illegal on public road modifications then bitch about not passing emissions.

Never had to worry about that problem
I don't think any of the language which I've used hints at "bitching about not passing emissions". I have merely stated facts and I was curious how everyone else was handling it themselves if they've encountered the same issue I have. The purpose of this thread was to be insightful and helpful for myself and anyone else who may have this problem now or in the future when they stumble upon this thread. As I was in Summit county before, it was not illegal (AFAIK) since there were no emissions to be passed. Thank you for contributing though.

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Old 12-23-2011, 03:23 AM   #20
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well said sir.
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If stock parts are put back on in order to pass emissions would a re tune be required when putting your exhaust back in?
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Old 12-24-2011, 01:46 AM   #22
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If stock parts are put back on in order to pass emissions would a re tune be required when putting your exhaust back in?
It seems to me that you'd only have to uninstall your AP and no re-tune would be required, but someone who knows better and is not speculating should chime in.

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Old 12-24-2011, 02:01 AM   #23
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you just need to drive your car nice if you put the stock exhaust back in.

sarerishor, im sending you a pm to clear my coment up.
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Old 12-27-2011, 02:54 PM   #24
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Will a Subaru pass a readiness test with a AP installed?

I didn't think they will, especially sense stage II disables codes.

Sounds to me like you failed on visual alone.

It shouldn't be to hard to find somebody to pass you on visual given your down pipe does have a cat. The real issue is that on OBDII+ cars they just plug it in to see if you have any codes relating to the o2 sensors and such. This is the readiness test, you would probably have to uninstall your AP in order to pass this test.
That is what I am curious about.

I wonder how a stage1 car would fare these days. It should pass the visual test completely since technically stage1 is just software.

I have a friend that just did his emissions, and it passed no problems with readiness codes being forced. It was here in the Salt Lake Valley as well.

Honestly, my gut says the ECU Tampered result isnt directly from reading the ecu. I think its from the lack of catalyst/o2 and the ecu saying the system is ready. The techs have to input the results from their visual inspection in order to print the certificate, and if they say o2 or catalyst is not present and the ecu says it is ready and functioning the machine is smart enough to determine the ecu has been tampered with.
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You guys are not looking at the information that is right in plain view. They are hooking up the car to a computer and it is stating the following:
Official results state:
Catalyst: TAMPERED
OBD System: TAMPERED

The reason it is stating this is because you have modified the control systems in the cars computer from their factory setting. The computer is looking at the progaming for the catalyst system on the car and saying "it's ****ed up" "try again". I bet the guy at Jiffy lube is flattered that you thought he would get under the car and make this determination, but he didn't even have too.

It's also stating that the OBD system has been messed with.

What you need to do is find a shop that doesn't have such smart computers. This problem you are encountering is a new problem and didn't exist until recently when some shops got new machines. Wiether or not all shops have these new machines remains unknown.

HAS ANYONE PASSED EMISSIONS WITH A COBB SYSTEM INSTALLED RECENTLY? If so where did you go?
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