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Old 12-29-2011, 10:36 AM   #26
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Thanks thats is very good info^^^^^^I knew it but was not very sure.Also cutting it up also is very safe idea for others.Thats good..
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Old 12-29-2011, 11:15 AM   #27
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Right now, we have 2 Recaro Pro-Rides (one for each car).

Every single article I have ever read about Britax, makes it seem like the best seat out there, so at first, we bought one of those.

I am convinced that Britax must offer editors free car seats in return for a good review, because I honestly do not see it. They offer the LEAST amount of cushioning, especially for the head. The model we purchased (I believe it was called The Boulevard), supposedly had some really safe type of foam padding (safe cell...something like that). I removed the seat cover to see nothing but styrafoam. I placed my daughter in the seat and it was pretty obvious that if we were in a side impact type of accident, her neck and head would not have any protection.

I returned it and purchased the Evenflo Symphony, 3-in-1 car seat. This seat had tons of padding and seems really well put together. It even had airbag-like cushions on the sides. Unfortunately, it is not very secure when it is placed in the "rear" facing position. No matter how tight & snug you can get the seat secured to the back seat, the belts have too much play and the seat will move too much. I am 110% without-a-doubt positive everything was installed correctly and that this seat in particular was not just a defect.

*If you currently have one of these Evenflo Symphony seats and are using it in the REAR facing mode, PLEASE remove the seat cover to see exactly what I am talking about. You can grab the top of the seat with 1 hand and literally shake it side to side with barely any force and you will clearly see the belt slide around in the belt path. Imagine what would happen in a side impact collision!!

I ended up returning that seat as well. We finally went with the Recaro Pro-Rides and are 100% happy with these. They definitely seem like the safest seat and we looked at just about every model from every brand out there.

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Old 12-29-2011, 02:12 PM   #28
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I kind of agree with previous comment. Those britax seat are not sold where I am because it do not pass inspection. I never see those, I don't know anything else.

My kids got graco and we where very satisfied. The back seat of the car was not tough.
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Old 12-29-2011, 06:18 PM   #29
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Here is my daughters seat in my 04 sedan, it is set for full recline and obviously rear facing. Sort of a tight fit but the seat wont go anywhere even while trying to manhndle it. We chose this seat for the safety features and we didn't have to pay for it either.
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Old 12-29-2011, 06:46 PM   #30
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I'm starting my research and always like to hear what the Subaru community thinks.

So far I'm pretty sure I'm going with one of the combo Recaro seats.
Might not be something you've considered, but the Recaros have some of the worst toxicity ratings of any car seat on the market.

http://www.healthystuff.org/departme...sbestworst.php

I have a Graco My Ride 65 in both my 04 Impreza TS and my wife's 04 Forester ($95 at Target on sale), When it went on sale, I picked up a Graco Comfort Sport Convertible (Caleo) car seat for my mom's 02 Impreza TS ($89.99 on sale)

They all had high safety ratings, good prices and really low to no toxicity ratings.

When she was an infant, we had the Chicco Key Fit 30 system, it was EXCELLENT! We have a boy on the way in February, so we'll have them both in the car. It gives me piece of mind to know that they are in safe seats that aren't also exposing them to really harmful chemicals.

Steer clear of the Recaros for so many reasons.

Something to consider as your kids will likely spend a lot of time in them for a number of years.

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Old 01-03-2012, 07:48 AM   #31
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Might not be something you've considered, but the Recaros have some of the worst toxicity ratings of any car seat on the market.

http://www.healthystuff.org/departme...sbestworst.php
Reading that kind of made me nervous, until I clicked on the "more-info" link and saw this Important Notice-

"The information on HealthyStuff.org is meant to provide general information to the public on whether or not certain chemicals were detected in tested consumer products. HealthyStuff.org did NOT conduct studies to determine if the chemicals of concern will migrate or come out of the product, causing a direct exposure. Therefore, HealthyStuff.org can not determine whether the presence of these chemicals in a product results in human exposure, nor can HealthyStuff.org estimate the health risk posed by any product."
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Old 01-03-2012, 01:14 PM   #32
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Regardless of the fine print, would you still take the risk?
Having worked at an environmental firm and knowing what small exposure can do to an average adult over time, I'm not willing to take the risk of exposing my kids to things that are in fact released over time as the materials are subjected to heat and wear.
These are things that can be inhaled or since kids eat off of these things, directly ingested.
There is a price for cheap Chinese made everything, I just wanted to present another perspective most people do not consider when purchasing things for themselves or their children.
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Old 01-03-2012, 02:26 PM   #33
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I can't find the link, but there's an agency that does actual crash tests with the carseats... keep googling that.

That being said, after going through many stages and many seats, I really like the Britax. The Recaro is nice and helps Daddy feel good, but I have always loved the Britax.

The Britax seats always seem to get the best crash ratings, *install well* in all kinds of cars (my WRX, to an Odyessey, to a BMW 330, to a RX330, to a Pilot, etc), have the least number of recalls, have excellent quality materials with little convenient features (like velcro to hold the straps open when you ingress the child), comfort for the children (always happiest in the Britax), and are designed well without a lot of extraneous things that make it impossible to use the seat besides the car seat install position. They are expensive, but worth it.

My next favorite was the Combi Coccoro; great ratings, compact (this is a big deal in small cars), installed well, lateral protection, and apparently comfy.



Bottom line though, is that in the last 10+ years car seat tech has developed dramatically. Make sure to get a NEW seat with great ratings and is a fairly new model/version. Expect to pay $200 or more.

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absolutely! like other said, put a knee in that thing with all your weight and strap it in good! that's another thing that helped my daughter in her accident. We never went gentle on installing it. You should have NO movement with it while its in and empty.. and that means trying to force it around. The cars seat should be compressed with the empty weight of the childs seat on it.
Exactly... if you aren't putting your knee on it, you probably aren't installing it well. Strap it loose, then hand tighten. Then CENTER the seat and tighten. Then get on it with your full weight with a knee to compress the seat and tighten. Then center and shake to find the loose. Then knee and tighten again while "jumping" on it. It is said that 1" of lateral movement is the max allowed for correct install... this method gets you like less than 1/8" movement.

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Old 02-11-2012, 06:19 PM   #34
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I got a good laugh today when my wife and I were flipping through some of the books in the parenting section or whatever you want to call it. I came across this picture in "show dad how"



I said "see I told you we don't have to get a bigger car"
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Old 02-11-2012, 06:27 PM   #35
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I have Britax as well.




The middle seat is the safest, see T-boned accident above. Where would you rather have your kid in that type of accident? On the end or in the middle? People think I'm weird when they see I have my 18-month old in the middle and 4 year old right next to him. When they ask "Why don't you have both seats on the ends? It's so much easier to get the kids in and out.", I resist smacking them and kindly reply that the middle spot is the safest for the smallest child, and I value safety over convenience. And don't give me the excuse that two cars seats won't fit right next to each other, because they will. /rant
Britax is the way to go hands down! Best fit, very secure and when installed correctly, its so tight in the seat and connection its as though the car seat was built into the car.

My daughter is forward facing and loves the seat as well.
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Old 02-11-2012, 08:49 PM   #36
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whatever seat you get just use/adjust the anchors right. I know its a pain if you have to switch the car seat from car to car, but its really the safest way to use any seat.
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Old 02-11-2012, 09:01 PM   #37
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If you want to get it tight, buy a "Mighty Tight" or similar. It takes the seatbelt of the car and ratchet's it down so its nice and tight. By far the most secure we've ever had a car seat, and that included having a local fire station do the install with the anchor system. Some stations here actually hand out this nifty device too.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:22 AM   #38
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Still undecided but I wanted to hear what people think about placement of a rear facing infant car seat... I noticed in the Subaru manual that they don't recommend the center rear seat and that the latch system is set up for the either side.

I read somewhere else that the center is the safest place and now I'm just curious if I'm better off putting the seat in the middle and using the seat belt to secure the seat because it's a safer position or putting it on a side because it's a safer attachment system.
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Old 04-05-2012, 09:39 AM   #39
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Great seat! Got the same one in my wifes car and a Safety 1st Alpha Omega in my car. The thing I liked about the Safety 1st is it rated for 100lbs and fits in my 02 WRX better than the Evenflo. But I did like all the padding and easily adjustable shoulder straps that comes with the Evenflo.

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Still undecided but I wanted to hear what people think about placement of a rear facing infant car seat... I noticed in the Subaru manual that they don't recommend the center rear seat and that the latch system is set up for the either side.

I read somewhere else that the center is the safest place and now I'm just curious if I'm better off putting the seat in the middle and using the seat belt to secure the seat because it's a safer position or putting it on a side because it's a safer attachment system.
Safest place is the middle but the vehicle has to be designed for it. My 02 WRX is not designed to accommodate a safety seat in the middle due to how the middle seat are designed. Also I think the owners manual might even state that it is not recommended. I would check your owners manual and see what it says. The tether system is just on the outside seats. You are not supposed to just use a single tether from each side.

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Old 04-05-2012, 10:42 AM   #40
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I had my Recaro installed in the center position in my '08 STI, utilizing the belt. It was a absolute MF to get it there and secure, but it is the safest place. I would recommend locating a certified installer in your area for assistance. Do not be ashamed that something seemingly so simple is not. The most important aspect is that the seat be installed properly, regardless of position.
It is much easier to install the seat on either side using the latch points, so if you are not able to get the seat TIGHT in the center position, you are better off using either side.
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Old 04-05-2012, 10:54 AM   #41
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So do you guys with multiple cars have multiple car seats? My son just moved into a bigger carseat that does not have a base system. His old one did, so we just had multiple bases. Right now his carseat chills in the jeep, its bigger and has tint everywhere so its a tad darker. It will however be a pain moving to the scoob when we want to take it. Do you just make one vehicle the family car?

Also, Plus eleven million on making those things tight, pain in the butt but definitely worth it.
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Old 04-05-2012, 11:04 AM   #42
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We have 2 car seats in each car and each kid has an identical seat in each car. Safety 1st convertable seat for the 1 yr old (now facing forward), and a Recaro Pro-Sport Combo Harness-to-Booster seat for the 3 yr old- since kids now need a booster until they are actually driving the car.
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Old 04-05-2012, 11:07 AM   #43
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So do you guys with multiple cars have multiple car seats? My son just moved into a bigger carseat that does not have a base system. His old one did, so we just had multiple bases. Right now his carseat chills in the jeep, its bigger and has tint everywhere so its a tad darker. It will however be a pain moving to the scoob when we want to take it. Do you just make one vehicle the family car?

Also, Plus eleven million on making those things tight, pain in the butt but definitely worth it.
We do, two kids and two seats for each car. Sucks having to buy them, but sure beats having to get them in and out all the time. Plus I feel like it is safer getting them snugged up and in there for good.
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We bought multiple car seats. The wife has a Recaro in her Tribeca and I have a Recaro in my Forester, plus each of the grandmothers (aka our daycare) have a car seat too. It's not the cheapest way to go but it makes life much more convient. It was nice, our 3 year old gets in his car seat on his own, we just have to strap him in, but we now have a 2 week old so it's back to bases and lugging a seat around lol.
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We bought multiple car seats. The wife has a Recaro in her Tribeca and I have a Recaro in my Forester, plus each of the grandmothers (aka our daycare) have a car seat too. It's not the cheapest way to go but it makes life much more convient. It was nice, our 3 year old gets in his car seat on his own, we just have to strap him in, but we now have a 2 week old so it's back to bases and lugging a seat around lol.

Multiple car seats, in multiple cars is definitely the way to go

We have the same model Britax (http://www.squidoo.com/best-car-seats-x Marathon 70, among the top rated car seats available, but you pay the price) in my '11 STi, my wifes '07 IS 350, and the grandma's cars. Not the cheapest route, but as BlueRex29 said, its much more convient.
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Subscribed to this thread. We are expecting our firstborn (a boy!) any day now, and just went through the exercise of installing the car seat in our new Outback over the weekend. We got the Chicco Keyfit 30 system, primarily because it was rated well, but also since my parents (who watch my two nieces from time to time) and my brother have the same seat system in their cars. As my parents will be watching my son a few days out of the week, it was convenient to have the same system since they have the bases in their car already.

We installed the seat in the rear passenger side seat, but I'm now rethinking putting it in the center seat based on posts in this thread. Will have to check to see if the latch system in the new outback will allow.
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Cool. Glad to hear that's the way everyone seems to go. Not gonna lie, I wasn't looking forward to pulling that thing out everytime. The carseat that is.
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So do you guys with multiple cars have multiple car seats? My son just moved into a bigger carseat that does not have a base system. His old one did, so we just had multiple bases. Right now his carseat chills in the jeep, its bigger and has tint everywhere so its a tad darker. It will however be a pain moving to the scoob when we want to take it. Do you just make one vehicle the family car?

Also, Plus eleven million on making those things tight, pain in the butt but definitely worth it.
Yes, multiple seats. Full sets in all cars. It's a huge investment, and especially as the kid grows you have to go: carrier, to rear face, to forward face (hopefully it's just your rear face in forward position), booster. That's at least 3 seats, for 1 kid, in 1 car. Adding it up is staggering $$.

We were forced to do this as one person would do drop off, and other do pickup and at any given time we needed the flexibility to switch transport. And since reinstalling the seats takes a lot of time TO DO IT RIGHT, we ended up with full sets in each car.
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My son, now 3 months old, really seems to like his Recaro pro-ride.

Total pain to get installed RIGHT (have to use a rolled up towel), but it is locked down solid... I'm about 180 and I was practically lying on the seat to make sure things are nice and tight.

Some people go with center, but I went behind the passenger because of the ability to have full control over how the driver seat moves.

Don't obsess about center versus side. Don't obsess about different brand safety. Just using a seat that is installed properly is how you get the safety benefits. Everything else is about style and ergonomics. Freakonomics has a great little but about the benefits of infant car seats.
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Don't obsess about center versus side. Don't obsess about different brand safety. Just using a seat that is installed properly is how you get the safety benefits. Everything else is about style and ergonomics.
+1

a bad install will completely nullify a "top rated seat"

And as for the fear of side (outboard) position... guess what you're going to have to do when (if) you have 2? Yup... on the side.
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