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Old 01-08-2012, 02:32 AM   #1
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Default My supercharged build - mods please move to N/A with FI section

welcome to hell.

I started out like this:

and there's now all this to worry about:


and these things:


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Old 01-08-2012, 02:34 AM   #2
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at least i've got something in so far right?



so right now my car is like


and i'm like



i've also gutted the interior and had my way with it with a big dewar of liquid nitrogen to get the sound tar out, and ripped all the rubber matting out from behind the dashboard. tons of stuff is in the mail/loads more to do so i'll update the thread as i get to it all.
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Old 01-08-2012, 02:54 AM   #3
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making some sort of progress:

deka etx 15L battery. been running it in the front for ages.

continued the war on weight with my trusty sidekick lN2:

gutted boot to go with all the removed sound deadening inside under the carpet/dash and bar under the rear seat.


f**ked the bumper beam, subframe & AC off too.



at least some goodies have arrived

i'd say about 70kg is out of the car so far.

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Old 01-08-2012, 05:21 PM   #4
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Looks good. Why leave the carpet in?
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Old 01-08-2012, 06:24 PM   #5
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Old 01-09-2012, 01:40 PM   #6
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Damn, what are your intentions for this beast? Is it going to be a roll caged beast? Or more of the fun toss able toy for the track?

I missed the RHD thing also....
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Old 01-09-2012, 06:27 PM   #7
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Looks good. Why leave the carpet in?
gotta block out SOME noise. the noise of an entirely gutted interior is just intolerable on the street.

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Damn, what are your intentions for this beast? Is it going to be a roll caged beast? Or more of the fun toss able toy for the track?

I missed the RHD thing also....
i'm not entirely sure. it's going to be a bit dependent on budget and what i can get installed. i'd love to simply have a bolt in cage i can yank out for the street, or have the main hoop/front half welded in and then the rear section bolted so i can carry passengers around when needed.

once all the other stuff is done i'll see what i can manage. however i'll be putting it in "supersprints" which are 5 lap "fastest lap shootout" bursts where there are only 4 cars at a time on the track & thus it doesn't HAVE to have a cage - but they're of course always a good idea.
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:02 PM   #8
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gotta block out SOME noise. the noise of an entirely gutted interior is just intolerable on the street.



i'm not entirely sure. it's going to be a bit dependent on budget and what i can get installed. i'd love to simply have a bolt in cage i can yank out for the street, or have the main hoop/front half welded in and then the rear section bolted so i can carry passengers around when needed.

once all the other stuff is done i'll see what i can manage. however i'll be putting it in "supersprints" which are 5 lap "fastest lap shootout" bursts where there are only 4 cars at a time on the track & thus it doesn't HAVE to have a cage - but they're of course always a good idea.
Any cage worth having is going to be pain to put in/take out. If it's going to be a track car have the local cage guy just weld you in a 4 point back half cage with a harness bar.
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now if only i actually had a "local cage guy" there's one guy i've heard of that does them and he's 200k's from me and booked out for weeks.

ah the joys of living on an island with small population.
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i'm not entirely sure. it's going to be a bit dependent on budget and what i can get installed. i'd love to simply have a bolt in cage i can yank out for the street, or have the main hoop/front half welded in and then the rear section bolted so i can carry passengers around when needed.

once all the other stuff is done i'll see what i can manage. however i'll be putting it in "supersprints" which are 5 lap "fastest lap shootout" bursts where there are only 4 cars at a time on the track & thus it doesn't HAVE to have a cage - but they're of course always a good idea.
I see, yeah well looks like you are on the right path, should be a fun car when all done.

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now if only i actually had a "local cage guy" there's one guy i've heard of that does them and he's 200k's from me and booked out for weeks.

ah the joys of living on an island with small population.
What island do you live on? Thats quite the trip to make for a 4 point cage. If you want to take off the roof cross beams, to my understanding you need a full cage, the only thing is that by full cage I don't know if it is a nasty 8-10 point or 4 point. I know it was mentioned on the other thread in Boost Junkies build.
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What are your all out goals for power mods on this car? Are you just keeping it N/A or putting a turbo on?

How much will you be decreasing the weight altogether?

Great start you got going so far..that stuff just scares me a bit, always easy to pull way to much out/off the car then your standing there with your jaw dropped to the floor says wow this is alot of work -- Good Luck
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Old 01-10-2012, 06:55 PM   #12
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I see, yeah well looks like you are on the right path, should be a fun car when all done.



What island do you live on? Thats quite the trip to make for a 4 point cage. If you want to take off the roof cross beams, to my understanding you need a full cage, the only thing is that by full cage I don't know if it is a nasty 8-10 point or 4 point. I know it was mentioned on the other thread in Boost Junkies build.
dunno on that one. that's why i posed the question in his thread - hopefully i'll get an answer soon.

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What are your all out goals for power mods on this car? Are you just keeping it N/A or putting a turbo on?

How much will you be decreasing the weight altogether?

Great start you got going so far..that stuff just scares me a bit, always easy to pull way to much out/off the car then your standing there with your jaw dropped to the floor says wow this is alot of work -- Good Luck
i hope to pull 120kg's minimum out of the car for track weight. a basic breakdown is:

sound deadening under dash (8kg) front of cabin
tar (5kg) cabin/rear
airbags (5kg) front of cabin, high
bumper beam (13.5kg) in front of front wheels
subframe (11kg) front/in front of front wheels
subframe mounts (2.5kg) in front of front wheels
gutted boot/no tyre etc (20kg) boot/behind rear wheels
rear seat bar (3kg) rear of cabin
injector cover things (1.5kg) in front of front wheels
rear diff protector (1.5kg) rear
AC (10kg) in front of front wheels
LW flywheel (6kg) front
lightweight battery, and relocated to the cabin (6kg net saving, but about 10kg saving from front of car) in front of front wheels
drivers side headlight (2kg) in front of front wheels
passenger seat (20kg) front of cabin
catback exhaust & later on a full set of OBX EL headers. (7kg for catback, probably about the same for the header) whole length of car

i'm sure there's some thing(s) i've forgotten. of course things like a halfcage or harness bar, bigger brakes etc are going to add a little weight. there's a weighbridge within walking distane of my place so i'm going to get a final weight when it's all done.

if you look @ the pictures in one of them there's actually a supercharger buried under all the stuff on the bench next to the engine. and yeah i'm well aware of all the work involved i didn't get any pictures of me removing the sound deadening but gutting the interior wasn't fun. at least the liquid nitrogen was. i've also put some front fender braces on which i don't have pictures of.


in some news updates: got confirmation my new (2nd hand) engine was picked up by the courier company yesterday. why another engine that's kinda the same?

mine spun a bearing & was rebuilt. it's since spun another bearing through me being silly (overheating it and shearing the oil) and i scored this one for just 300 bucks (entire engine!). so basically, i install this bottom end, get my cams done & build up the other one on the bench with forgies etc ready to drop in when i eventually blow this one. it's just a matter of popping the heads off, slapping them on the other shortblock & reinstalling. straight swap

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Old 01-11-2012, 05:26 AM   #13
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some updates for today:

sliced off the "subframe fangs"

as you can see they came from here:


and here's my lightweight flywheel/meaner clutch:


the source of the TON of blowby i was getting with the old donk:


the engine wasn't very noisy so i'd imagine it's just fried rings, but i won't know for sure until i crack it open and take a look. went to do that today but didn't have the allen key i needed to get the wrist pins out.

and aside from the noise, here's some evidence of the spun bearing:


as you can see, the piston doesn't actually go all the way to the top of the deck. why? because there isn't any bearing material left in cylinder #3

how much metal went through this bad boy?

this much:


after taking a look at how the fuelling was, it became apparent that cylinder #3 is the last of the injectors in the stock subaru series format and thus receives the lowest fuel pressure and is the one notorious for running leaner than all the others.

looking at the cylinders, #3 clearly leaked the most oil and also just happened to be the one that spun a bearing. i had the stock injectors maxxed out with the supercharger kit and was running quite high AFR's as it was (above 13.5:1).

considering that AFR's were lean as it is and cylinder #3 is known to be the leanest of the lot, i don't consider it coincidence that this is the one that fried the rings first and was the one that spun a bearing when i (inevitably) overheated the engine. lesson: tune a little rich to be on the safe side.

i've got some 420cc (50% inrease in flow over stock) injectors on the way.

the supercharger kit i have on the car is made by raptor superchargers and you can find out more on it on their website @ www.raptorsc.com.au. i will say that i'm the only person that has reported to have had problems with their kit - but as far as i can tell i'm the only one that drives it anywhere other than the street (in other words, i beat on it significantly harder than anyone else). the car has been absolutely beat on since i put the kit on and it's little wonder i eventually fried something.

supercharger is getting a slightly smaller pulley and bigger BOV to run a little more boost with the bigger injectors.



one problem i AM having is that delta camshafts have proven to be IMPOSSIBLE to get hold of. i've asked questions in their threads, PM'd them and emailed them all to no avail. apparently all they really do is pick up the phone.

being in aussieland it's not quite so easy for me to just give 'em a buzz so if someone was able to give them a call for me and ask what grinds they can do for/recommend for the impreza rs SOHC camshafts with a supercharger installed that would be MASSIVELY appreciated. i'm not sure what i can do to repay them but i'll do whatever i can.

as extension of this, if someone felt like acting as a third party for postage between myself & delta assuming i ever get a hold of them (seeing as i can't communicate with them to pay them) i would gladly shoot some cash in their direction. all i'd need you to do is call delta, ask what grind they recommend, let me know how much it is and then receive my cams/payment and pass them on to delta. i'd of course send some extra to thank you for your troubles, or source you a part from aussieland you can't get in the U.S or something.

i hate even bringing this up but it's unfortunately gotten to this point

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Old 01-13-2012, 08:43 PM   #14
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^ I am sure that wont be a problem, the only thing is that they would need to know what the purpose of this motor will be, along with everything else that will be going into it, ie; valve springs, compression ratio on pistons, what kind of lift and duration you want but most importantly how much money you tend to spend.

Believe me, I would help of only I would know the specifics.

Check your in box.

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Old 01-14-2012, 08:14 AM   #15
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replied to your PM slovak. i got an email back from ken as well saying they can do the 2000/1000 grind or the 1500, but that they believe the 1500 to be more suited. i'm just getting him to confirm the 1500 should be better for high RPM power before that's what i go with.

my basic intentions at the moment are to keep the standard bottom end and put some AVCS valvesprings in with these cams and spin it out to the factory balanced 7000rpm. from what i'm told the rest of the engine is fine for this (in fact the standard springs are also fine if you have the standard cams) but aftermarket cams just need a LITTLE more stiffness, which the standard AVCS springs are.

when i eventually blow/wear out this engine, it's being built up as a 2.33 destroker with a forged, balanced & blueprinted bottom end and getting the full workup - anti cavitation mod on the oil pump, TWE valvetrain package, 3 angle valve job/1mm oversizers etc etc.

i figure if i do the heads right all i need to do is buy a rotating assembly from dom @ maxwell power and drop it into the block. i'll never make absurd power like they do with their gt35's but a bigger supercharger (raptor do an R series as well as this little V i have) + some serious RPM should make this thing pretty quick. think 380hp to 9000rpm rather than 500. still probably effectively as fast as a 480hp 7000rpm engine. more rpm with less power vs more power but less rpm has the added bonus of being less likely to strip a gear or break something else for example.

in the meantime i just get all the other crap like chassis prep, suspension etc sorted ready for the new donk to just drop right in/be tuned.

slovak - thanks a mountain for getting a hold of delta for me. how ever can i repay you?
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Old 01-14-2012, 08:42 AM   #16
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some updates:



had a wrx gauge cluster with the tacho in the middle arrive, along with some tweeters to match the holes in my doors from the previous speakers, and an 11mm oil pump. the stock RS is something like an 8mm so this is a big upgrade. having said that, i'm not entirely convinced i need it unless the engine is built. it took a fair bit to start losing pressure on the track beforehand (by a fair bit i mean a fair bit of heat) and that was running a 40 weight oil/no oil cooler.


some stiff a$$ engine mounts.



and a sticker to put above the most obnoxious part of the car - the exhaust pipe.


i'm sure everyone has noticed i haven't been specific on what brands/parts i am using and it's not because i'm scared of lawsuits. it's simply because i'll be tracking this car competitively in a very subaru saturated market (us aussies have had the wrx since its inception and the turbo legacies before it) and considering this is a 100% self wrenched 100% paid full price for by me build i don't think i'll be advertising companies products for them as charity. if a vendor wants to work out a deal between the pair of us next time i want some goodies i will of course consider it. but when every single dollar, minute & patch of skin (and boy has there been a lot of skin lost to this car) has come from me i won't be.

the one company i do openly support and who look after me are raptor superchargers. i can't say enough good words about tim (the owner/director) and will happily answer any/all enquiries (i've received a couple already) people may have regarding their supercharger kits.

alternatively, his username is "tradewind" or you can contact through their site at www.raptorsc.com.au.

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Old 01-14-2012, 09:46 AM   #17
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Do you plan on keeping the motor N/A or putting a snail on it?
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if you read my previous posts you'll have your answer
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Old 01-14-2012, 10:12 AM   #19
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I approve of those engine/trans mounts and pitch stop. I have the same ones in my car. Good stuff. Funny sticker too. I want your seats. BADLY.
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my seats are from the AU impreza RS. they're exactly the same as wrx/sti seats, just with a slightly different trim. i'm trying to work out a buyer for them here so i can put a sparco pro2000 in. however all the local shops are closed on summer break for at least another week, so i've gotta wait until then so i can go & sit in some and see if i like their feel or not.

after doing some more oil pump research, i ran across a thread that showed the turbo pumps having a rougher impeller than the N/A ones, weird huh?!

guys were theorising that the N/A pumps would actually be better for high rpm as the smoother impeller means less cavitation (jitter or fluctuations in pressure/flow).

i'm thinking i'll keep the standard pump on, install the oil cooler etc etc and really give it a proper go on the track. if i don't lose any oil pressure then there's no need to put the 11mm pump on - it's only going to recirculate the oil and heat it up/airate it more. it can just sit on the bench in wait for the built donk.

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replied to your PM slovak. i got an email back from ken as well saying they can do the 2000/1000 grind or the 1500, but that they believe the 1500 to be more suited. i'm just getting him to confirm the 1500 should be better for high RPM power before that's what i go with.

my basic intentions at the moment are to keep the standard bottom end and put some AVCS valvesprings in with these cams and spin it out to the factory balanced 7000rpm. from what i'm told the rest of the engine is fine for this (in fact the standard springs are also fine if you have the standard cams) but aftermarket cams just need a LITTLE more stiffness, which the standard AVCS springs are.

when i eventually blow/wear out this engine, it's being built up as a 2.33 destroker with a forged, balanced & blueprinted bottom end and getting the full workup - anti cavitation mod on the oil pump, TWE valvetrain package, 3 angle valve job/1mm oversizers etc etc.

i figure if i do the heads right all i need to do is buy a rotating assembly from dom @ maxwell power and drop it into the block. i'll never make absurd power like they do with their gt35's but a bigger supercharger (raptor do an R series as well as this little V i have) + some serious RPM should make this thing pretty quick. think 380hp to 9000rpm rather than 500. still probably effectively as fast as a 480hp 7000rpm engine. more rpm with less power vs more power but less rpm has the added bonus of being less likely to strip a gear or break something else for example.

in the meantime i just get all the other crap like chassis prep, suspension etc sorted ready for the new donk to just drop right in/be tuned.

slovak - thanks a mountain for getting a hold of delta for me. how ever can i repay you?
yeah, on a track you want more rpm to ride out your gears, I kinda screwed that up but my car should be fun, if not i am going to mess with the gearing, but i have a lot to do. The way you can repay me is just keep on going, get it done. I also forgot nasioc too.
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Old 01-15-2012, 10:46 PM   #24
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oil pump's up for sale if anyone wants it: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...0#post36132970

today i got my speakers in:


what they look like naked


and how they look with the door cards on - OEM!

heading up to the depot in a minute to see if my engine has arrived.
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Hey VF - did you end up getting the pistons out of the block yet? I'm keen to see the condition of the pistons to see if any of them had cracked ring lands with the high AFR's. Really sucks you fried the rings though mate - but looking forward to seeing the new beast up and running
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