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Old 03-02-2012, 05:41 PM   #151
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Old 03-03-2012, 08:36 AM   #152
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FAst is relative to feel. Do not allow yourself to get sucked into being brainwashed into thinking you need to do 4.5 seconds to 60 to be fast. Fast is a marketing term at best. The old MG's and Triumphs and Datsun Roadsters of the time struggled to break 9 seconds getting to 60, but they were great fun to drive.

I would LOVE it if people started putting more of an emphasis on fun to drive, than in nurburgring times and magazine stats. CArs would get cheaper, mpg could go up, and in general people would be happier! But that is just my 38 years of experience talking.
I hear you on the fun. The but I believe most WRX owners are acceleration freaks(if u will) as for the most part am I.
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:32 PM   #153
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I think the reason we all get hung up on 0-60 times is less about the prestige or bragging rights of saying "my car can do 0-60 in 4 second" and more just to gauge how fast should I expect this car to be (generally speaking). Often times we find ourselves very interested in certain cars that we haven't driven yet, or simply aren't available yet. So how do we gauge it's quickness without driving it? Well, the 0-60 time is a good place to start. Certainly there are many factors that go into a car's quickness, not simply a 0-60 time, but knowing what it is for a given car is helpful in determining if its even worth the time to test drive (i.e. if a car has a 0-60 time of 9 seconds, and 10 people on a forum said its "fun to drive" I would tend be skeptical).

For me personally, I take 0-60 with a grain of salt, but use it as more of a guide on how quick can I expect a car to be, and how does it compare with other cars. If say, i've driven a car that had a 0-60 time of 6 seconds, and I remember how that Felt, and I decide I like something that I haven't driven yet, and it has a 0-60 time of 6.3 seconds, I generally have an idea of how it will feel (again, many variables come in to play, but i'm speaking generally).

Now that being said, I happen to like this car a lot. I think the styling is very unique, and the added power from the turbo should make it much more exciting than the Base Veloster. Regardless of what many people say, Hyundai has really started to come around in the auto market. They are doing a lot of things that other companies are not, and they are taking high risk, high reward chances. Not to mention they've got the best warranty in the business.

I mean, which automakers today are producing as many turbo cars as Subaru? Oh yes, Hyundai is.
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Old 03-05-2012, 04:56 PM   #154
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0-60 is completely useless in determining how fast a car is. how the car is launched makes it a far too variable statistic to measure speed.

5-60 is a FAR more useful stat, as it takes a great many variables out of the equation and is how most of us drive 90% of the time anyway.
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Old 03-11-2012, 05:33 PM   #155
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No, no....he's not my buddy. It's just some dude at work that is slightly annoying when it comes to cars. Maybe he just means the same brand from his BMW.

Either way, he claims Hyundai uses ZF transmissions and that they are really good.
Depends on which models. For example the Genesis V8 sedan in 09 was using a 6 spd ZF AT ( same one used in the bmw 550 & Maserati Quattroporte) while the V6 sedan was fitted w a 6 spd Aisin AT presumably because it's cheaper and designed to handle less power. The current Genesis V8 R Spec I believe is equipped with a newer 8 spd AT made but I-have-no-idea.

Anyways your friend is part right but he can't overgeneralize, and you gotta quote him more accurately
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Old 03-14-2012, 06:58 AM   #156
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I dont like the turbo on the seats. Makes it look cheap, then again being a Hyundai does the job pretty well on its own.
You are very mistaken.

The current Hyundai is not the Hyundai of the 90s. Have you driven one? I own a Veloster, and while it IS slow and has heavy-ish steering feel, I compared it to comparable Honda, Ford, Mazda, Chevrolet, Toyota, models. Hands down, it won overall in pricepoint, styling / ergonomics, and mpg (38mpg fwy to date).

BTW, it was 21,200 loaded. Tech and Style pkg w DCT. Inexpensive? Yes. Cheap? No.
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:51 AM   #157
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You are very mistaken.

The current Hyundai is not the Hyundai of the 90s. Have you driven one? I own a Veloster, and while it IS slow and has heavy-ish steering feel, I compared it to comparable Honda, Ford, Mazda, Chevrolet, Toyota, models. Hands down, it won overall in pricepoint, styling / ergonomics, and mpg (38mpg fwy to date).

BTW, it was 21,200 loaded. Tech and Style pkg w DCT. Inexpensive? Yes. Cheap? No.
You got that thing for a steal!
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Old 03-14-2012, 02:39 PM   #158
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You got that thing for a steal!
TY sir. It may have been the OMG IT'S BLUE color. We tried to find one in white or black, but those are like finding hens teeth.

My other choice was Canary Yellow, or some sort of um....Pea Green.

Blue will do
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Old 03-15-2012, 11:03 AM   #159
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TY sir. It may have been the OMG IT'S BLUE color. We tried to find one in white or black, but those are like finding hens teeth.

My other choice was Canary Yellow, or some sort of um....Pea Green.

Blue will do
I love my blue one.
I... paid more than I should have.
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Old 03-15-2012, 11:18 AM   #160
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Must have...the Sonata runs on 87 octane too and thats 274 HP.
A very overrated 274......
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Old 03-15-2012, 11:30 AM   #161
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A very overrated 274......
Links? Dyno pulls etc?
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Old 03-15-2012, 12:16 PM   #162
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A very overrated 274......
I haven't seen or heard anything around this as of yet. Where are you getting that from?
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Old 03-15-2012, 01:56 PM   #163
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http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...wagen-gti.html

http://www.insideline.com/hyundai/so...and-video.html

Mazdaspeed 3 long-termer put 243 horsepower and 265 lb-ft to the ground

http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...onata-20t.html

239 lb-ft arrives at 3500 rpm, and the power peak of 234 horsepower

Rated at 274 hp

MS3 is rated at 263

Also:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t/viewall.html
Quarter mile 15.0 sec @ 94.7 mph
0-60 mph 6.5 sec

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t/viewall.html
0-60 5.6
Quarter mile 14.1 sec @ 99.9 mph


There is a huge torque difference obviously. Same dyno. MS 3 is rated at 10 hp less dynos at 5 more with a huge amount of torque advantage.

Even hyundai forums they say its overrated, its a known fact.


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http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...its-power.html

~20hp less? Yet listed at 74 less than the hyundai.

Funny the sonata would get a identical quarter mile to a '12 civic si, a similar torquefreezone car.
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...-si-coupe.html

The fact that the 2.0t engine has no torque speaks for itsself. As i said, very overrated. Its even known within the Hyundai community where i read this when I was contemplating buying a genesis.
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:11 PM   #164
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239 lb-ft arrives at 3500 rpm, and the power peak of 234 horsepower

Rated at 274 hp
The article says the 239 lb-ft and 234 horsepower is at the wheels and given the roughly 15% loss from the crank HP number (274) it's spot on.

"While Hyundai rates the engine's 274 horsepower and 269 lb-ft of torque (as measured at the flywheel) on 87 octane, the company's powertrain engineers tell us that 93 octane allows for the production of about ten additional horsepower and no change in peak torque. Our car had 91 octane in the tank, so interpolating suggests that our car has about 6-8 horsepower more than its rating, or a total of 280-282 hp the flywheel.

At the wheels, we measured its output thusly:

Peak torque of 239 lb-ft arrives at 3500 rpm, and the power peak of 234 horsepower is reached at 6100 rpm. That dip in the torque curve centered at 3900 rpm was consistent pull after pull and suggests that boost briefly spikes at 3500 before subsequently settling down a bit. Based on other cars we've dynoed here, peak power is a hair lower than we'd have expected based on the flywheel rating. Then again, there is a power-sucking autobox transmission involved so keep that in mind. Heat soak was not a factor here as the car was quite consistent from pull to pull."
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:45 PM   #165
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TY sir. It may have been the OMG IT'S BLUE color. We tried to find one in white or black, but those are like finding hens teeth.

My other choice was Canary Yellow, or some sort of um....Pea Green.

Blue will do
I could only squeek about $400 under MSRP for my fully loaded model, but then again it was the exact color I wanted, gunmetal grey, so I can't complain too much. I saw a couple cars in the crazy green and jaundiced orange that i didn't want...those were going for lower.

The blue is actually a nice shade even if it is a big bright.

The SoCal market for Hyundai is a bit fierce, as sales of all their cars are very strong here, not much room for haggling, especially on a new model. There are probably more Genesis sedans and even Equus (two of them in my work parking garage alone) than any other metro area I'd imagine.
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:52 PM   #166
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Lower octane gasoline actually requires less pressure or heat or spark strength to ignite. It burns more easily, which actually helps combust the full fuel charge, with less unburned hydrocarbons in the exhaust. Injecting that fuel directly into the end of the compression stroke prevents pre-detonation merely by the time aspect of when the fuel is introduced, so higher octane tends not to be required. It can also meter the fuel delivery to more approximate a stratified, leaner burn, rather than all the fuel, at a richer mixture, being delivered before ignition starts.
Nice explanation, because of this I argue that an engine tuned for regular octane gas can get WORSE mileage and efficiency when fueled with premium because it's harder to burn and combust, meaning less fuel converted to energy, less power generated, and more wasted fuel per unit of power generated by the motor.
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Old 03-15-2012, 05:37 PM   #167
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Nice explanation, because of this I argue that an engine tuned for regular octane gas can get WORSE mileage and efficiency when fueled with premium because it's harder to burn and combust, meaning less fuel converted to energy, less power generated, and more wasted fuel per unit of power generated by the motor.
That's not it. Maxing out the allowable timing is what it's all about.
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Yeah, from what I can recall, the systems in cars of today know what octane fuel it's using and adjusts accordingly. Maybe in 1985 it wouldn't be good to put 93 in a car tuned for 87, but I think it's okay nowadays. Pretty sure this is one of those old, "he said, she said" arguments.
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I love my blue one.
I... paid more than I should have.
Nah, I think it's that I live in a different area; when I was "building" one on Hyundai's site, the msrp dropped ~600 when I put my zip in. I would have paid close to sticker for the car....my wife loved it.

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I could only squeek about $400 under MSRP for my fully loaded model, but then again it was the exact color I wanted, gunmetal grey, so I can't complain too much. I saw a couple cars in the crazy green and jaundiced orange that i didn't want...those were going for lower.

The blue is actually a nice shade even if it is a big bright.

The SoCal market for Hyundai is a bit fierce, as sales of all their cars are very strong here, not much room for haggling, especially on a new model. There are probably more Genesis sedans and even Equus (two of them in my work parking garage alone) than any other metro area I'd imagine.

Yes, I've heard they are going for over sticker in some areas of the US. That gray is stunning. We're very happy with ours...even in Marathon Blue

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Yes, I've heard they are going for over sticker in some areas of the US. That gray is stunning. We're very happy with ours...even in Marathon Blue

Take care!

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You're fortunate to live in an anti-Hyundai biased area then if they were willing to let it go for that cheap. I guess that is the upside for the out-of-date attitudes against Hyundai.
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Recently test drived this car at the dealer. Its not a bad looking car in person.Unfortantely, its slow even for a turbo. Spools too late.
What it need is awd. That will make up for it.
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It's a FWD turd that can't be saved by its quirky looks.
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Unfortantely, its slow even for a turbo. Spools too late.
What it need is awd. That will make up for it.




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Old 11-12-2012, 07:40 AM   #175
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Recently test drived this car at the dealer. Its not a bad looking car in person.Unfortantely, its slow even for a turbo. Spools too late.
What it need is awd. That will make up for it.
Not gonna happen in this price range. Lol.
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