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Old 01-15-2012, 02:19 AM   #51
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The source that they're referring to talked about how the engine (ie: the FA) from the BRZ will be turbocharged and used in other models (read: WRX).. but still no sources that point to one of those turbocharged versions ending up in the BRZ. Auto Evolution loses the reading comprehension contest.
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Old 01-15-2012, 05:37 PM   #52
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There's a lotta Corvair in that design. I like it, though not as much as the BRZ.



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Old 01-15-2012, 11:14 PM   #53
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http://www.autoevolution.com/news/su...brz-41001.html

Tons more, and the only answer Chevy will have is to throw a big motor in there! I might also point out that if they stick to current trends the prototype will look awesome and at the last minute they will change it....
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The source that they're referring to talked about how the engine (ie: the FA) from the BRZ will be turbocharged and used in other models (read: WRX).. but still no sources that point to one of those turbocharged versions ending up in the BRZ. Auto Evolution loses the reading comprehension contest.
^ This.

Like I said, other than wishful thinking, there's nothing remotely concrete even indicating we'll ever get a BRZ STI. I'm not saying we never will (but... we never will), I'm just saying Chevrolet will have an SS model planned if it goes to production guaranteed.
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Old 01-16-2012, 12:49 AM   #54
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^ This.

Like I said, other than wishful thinking, there's nothing remotely concrete even indicating we'll ever get a BRZ STI. I'm not saying we never will (but... we never will), I'm just saying Chevrolet will have an SS model planned if it goes to production guaranteed.
dont be silly... they don't go off making a turbocharged version of an engine that hasn't been put in anything but the BRZ and not actually put it in a BRZ. It's dollars SON!

They are making a turbo BRZ. mark my words
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Old 01-16-2012, 03:22 AM   #55
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^ This.

Like I said, other than wishful thinking, there's nothing remotely concrete even indicating we'll ever get a BRZ STI. I'm not saying we never will (but... we never will), I'm just saying Chevrolet will have an SS model planned if it goes to production guaranteed.
They have been saying the same thing about a cruz ss since its launch. And we have yet to see one.
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dont be silly... they don't go off making a turbocharged version of an engine that hasn't been put in anything but the BRZ and not actually put it in a BRZ. It's dollars SON!

They are making a turbo BRZ. mark my words
Turbo routing will be completely different between the WRX/STI FA engine and a BRZ engine.. this won't be the same thing as just dropping the same EA turbocharged engine into every model in production like they've been able to do so far.
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dont be silly... they don't go off making a turbocharged version of an engine that hasn't been put in anything but the BRZ and not actually put it in a BRZ. It's dollars SON!

They are making a turbo BRZ. mark my words
Turbo routing will be completely different between the WRX/STI FA engine and a BRZ engine.. this won't be the same thing as just dropping the same basic EJ turbocharged engine (with minor component changes) into every model in production like they've been able to do so far.
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Turbo routing will be completely different between the WRX/STI FA engine and a BRZ engine.. this won't be the same thing as just dropping the same basic EJ turbocharged engine (with minor component changes) into every model in production like they've been able to do so far.
maybe sube will actually make a front mount for the BRZ
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maybe sube will actually make a front mount for the BRZ
Doubtful. This raises the insurance cost. I think they will leave more then enough for people who want to go FMIC with bigger turbos.
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I'm much more interested in a supercharger, if it means buying a Scion to get that then I am game.
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Doubtful. This raises the insurance cost. I think they will leave more then enough for people who want to go FMIC with bigger turbos.
??? FMIC raises insurance cost? I've never heard that.... how so?
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The grille is ****e!!
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They have been saying the same thing about a cruz ss since its launch. And we have yet to see one.
There might be one in a few years. Still, the sporty econobox market simply isn't what it was 5 years ago. But when was the last time GM made anything sport oriented/RWD and didn't make a hot model? Sky/Solstice, Camaro, CTS, Corvette, G8, etc. Every time. The writing is on the wall if this goes to market.

BRZ not so much.
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maybe sube will actually make a front mount for the BRZ
I'm sure that if they were to turbocharge it they would install a front-mount... but they aren't.. unless it sells very well. Right now the plan is to sell it for 4 years without a turbo.
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??? FMIC raises insurance cost? I've never heard that.... how so?
Raises the cost of a front end collision. Especially minor ones that won't total the car but do damage. Hence why you will never see subaru go FMIC. Evos do FMIC cause there's no room for a TMIC.
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Hence why you will never see subaru go FMIC.
I don't see any reason to think they will never do it, especially with a car like this where they should have put it into the design early on. Many turbo cars have FMICs, they don't need to be hanging out rubbing against the bumper beam.
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.. and the BRZ already has more room between the front bumper and the engine block than any other Subaru. I'd like to see a v-mount (OEM radiator is already tilted back) IC with a vent in the forward art of the hood.

.. what was this thread about, again?
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They should drop a V8 in'er
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No competition. It'll weigh more then 3000 easy. If their ability to keep the weight down on the camaro is any indication they won't be able to make this reasonably light.
That's what gets me. Not the 1.4L CAST IRON engine, the estimated 40 MPG with RWD, that ugly rear 1/4, or those freakishly wide tires. It's the shear audacity of it's size.

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There's a lotta Corvair in that design. I like it, though not as much as the BRZ.




Agreed! They should make this as a modern day Corvair. I actually like it. But I'd rather have a BRZ....
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I don't see any reason to think they will never do it, especially with a car like this where they should have put it into the design early on. Many turbo cars have FMICs, they don't need to be hanging out rubbing against the bumper beam.
Have you not seen the latest turbo FB engine pics. All of them are TMIC with a LGT turbo location. FMIC is not the direction subaru will EVER go for a production car period. Here's one for reference.



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.. and the BRZ already has more room between the front bumper and the engine block than any other Subaru. I'd like to see a v-mount (OEM radiator is already tilted back) IC with a vent in the forward art of the hood.

.. what was this thread about, again?
And even more crazy to think subaru would be the first to make an affordable sports car with a V-Mount. That's right inline of thinking with everyone else who wants factory coilovers, 6 pot brembos, 19 inch wheels, real genuine recaros, turbo charged to 500hp and under 30k. Keep dreaming it ain't happening.

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No competition. It'll weigh more then 3000 easy. If their ability to keep the weight down on the camaro is any indication they won't be able to make this reasonably light.
They just got the ATS lighter than a 3-series, though, so never say never.
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Motor Trend is asking for feedback on the 130R...Is 150 hp enough?? haha... Chevy will probably most likely be looking at these comments...

If the Code 130R Concept makes it to production it will no doubt be compared to the FR-S and BRZ in terms of size, power and price. It may also be compared to the Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T. Chevy only gave the 130R 150 horsepower which falls short of the 200 horsepower in the FR-S and BRZ (which many feel isn’t enough) and 274 horsepower in the 2013 Genesis Coupe.

Is 150 horsepower enough? What engine would you like to see in a production Code 130R? Should it follow suite with the ATS and use the 200-horsepower 2.5-liter, 270 -horsepower 2.0T, and the 316 horsepower 3.6-liter V-6? Should it only use four-cylinder motivation so it doesn’t conflict with base-model Camaros?

Share with us if you think Chevrolet should produce the Code 130R and what engines you would like to see under the hood? And finally, what price would you like to see on the Code 130R’s (or whatever it will eventually be called) window sticker?



http://wot.motortrend.com/chevrolet-...comment-415189
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They just got the ATS lighter than a 3-series, though, so never say never.
They have a goal of 3400. We'll see if they can really pull that off. Until it's in development and mass production I have my doubts.

Hell, go on the chevy site and you'll see they omit any weight specs for all their cars. They'll tell you what amps the alternator runs but won't tell you their weight? Yeah sounds like omitting their weakest point and that's being able to produce a light car.
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Chevy isn't the only one with this flaw. Ford doesn't advertise curb weights either. If you have compared the Mazda2(which is on their website) to the Ford Fiesta you'll notice the Fiesta is a good bit heavier.

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