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Old 12-04-2012, 07:50 AM   #2501
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...I feel that 40 MPG will be near the top of the range for this vehicle.
And what's wrong with that? 40 MPG with an AWD vehicle would be fantastic!
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:22 AM   #2502
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50 mpg is just not going to happen unless you push it halfway there.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:42 AM   #2503
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2012 Impreza Sport Premium 5MT with 10300 miles.

From the gas station to my job, 37 miles interstate highway and 3 miles of 45 mph road with stop lights.

I set the cruise control on the highway at 65 mph. According to the dash, 37.5 mpg for the trip. Typically, my dash is about 1.5 mpg above my Fuelly numbers. I am really happy with my estimated 36 mpg highway mileage vs the 33 EPA.

Typical per-tank for me is 28-30 mpg, depending on how I've been driving.
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:46 AM   #2504
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Filled up few days ago. 278 mi on 11.8 gallons

23 mpg. Worst tank yet. but mostly short trips within town and me being lead footed.

The way I see it
First 1/4 tank: 75-100
1/2 tank: 150-200
3/4 tank: 225-300
Final 1/4 tank: 300-400

If I can stick between that or simply pull 300+ miles per tank, I really can't complain. Kinda wish I could get better city mpg but if it were that dire I'd've just bought something else. I acutally sat in my old corolla over the weekend and drove my friends Veloster(which was on my list when I started looking for a new car)... the rides simply don't compare. May work as a secondary use car down the line though.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:30 AM   #2505
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Look at this graph

http://www.fuelly.com/car/subaru/impreza/2012

The total average MPG of 202 vehicles reported average per vehicle is 28.5 mpg. That is dead spot on as far as EPA city/highway combined estimate.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:43 AM   #2506
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^shhh, don't tell stevehm that!
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:27 PM   #2507
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:10 PM   #2508
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I didn't realize 45 was old.
Well, I'm 46 and sometimes I feel old (on the outside anyway) so @ 45 yeah, you're there


What scan gauge units are you guys using? I think it's time for me to geek out on one. I've always been a mpg nerd (when I keep emotion out of driving) and generally get about 10% above what the car is rated for. We went NY to CO and back a few years ago in a '04 Montero Sport with 5 people and a dog inside, 4 bikes hanging off the back and a HUDGE roof box up top and I averaged 19mpg for almost 5000 miles.

From the 200 miles of running around that I've done with this new car so far (just picked it up Sunday with 11 miles on it) it's gone from 23 avg to just shy of 29 today. I've obviously been babying it but have run it up to 80 on the interstate and haven't slowed traffic down on the roads around home as well as the fact that I live in a very hilly area. I'm guessing that averaging around 30 overall shouldn't be too difficult and I bet that on the 38 mile highway stretch on my commute I will run 35 or better. Hopefully the 12 miles or so of NYC street driving each way won't kill it...

Unfortunately I think I'll need to wait for "summer gas" to find out if I'm right. I bought my last car at the beginning of January and avg'd 21.7 until the beginning of May when it jumped to 28. For the 24k I had the car, from January to September, overall average was 24.8 and it was rated for a combined 22.
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:09 PM   #2509
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Progress may be developing fingers crossed. Subaru corporate has asked I bring it in. Can't say I expect a solution but I suppose anything is at least possible. The balance of the data points in the direction of design but one never knows without looking deeper. Should be an interesting visit.
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:15 PM   #2510
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This makes me wonder what hard data exists on economy as a function of road miles. I know my 1987 Honda Civic wagon did improve over the first 6-8K miles. I do not recall a break-in effect for the 2004 CR-V, 2006 Corolla, or 2009 Corolla. Don't be impressed by the list. These became kid cars long before I would have preferred. Still just a 2-car guy broke after 5 cars in 9 years.
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:24 PM   #2511
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42.9 MPG through 35 miles of highway, rural and small town on winter tires.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:11 PM   #2512
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Look at this graph

http://www.fuelly.com/car/subaru/impreza/2012

The total average MPG of 202 vehicles reported average per vehicle is 28.5 mpg. That is dead spot on as far as EPA city/highway combined estimate.
What makes you think the number of city miles vs. the number of highway miles in that graph is the same as the "combined" estimate?
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:13 PM   #2513
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Progress may be developing fingers crossed. Subaru corporate has asked I bring it in. Can't say I expect a solution but I suppose anything is at least possible. The balance of the data points in the direction of design but one never knows without looking deeper. Should be an interesting visit.
Good luck! Keep us posted. The vast majority here with cvt's (as opposed to the peanut gallery) want to know...
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:54 PM   #2514
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Thank you. That was a nice reference. Among that data, average MPG = 28.55; standard deviation = 2.6 mpg. Roughly 68% of the drivers should expect their average gas mileage to range between 26.0 and 31.2. Roughly 95% of the drivers should expect their average gas mileage to range between 23.4 and 33.8 mpg. If my time permitted I would go through each of the 202 fuelie records, note significant candidate factors such as auto/manual, miles driven, average miles per hour, % city/% highway, and whatever makes sense. We could then do a multiple regression and see what comes of it. If regression made little sense, we could at least do a series of ANOVAs. Then owners could assess whether their particular car mileage was typical for their model configuration or not. Perhaps this would help relieve the considerable anxiety that seems present. Of course it does little to relieve the EPA angst.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:53 AM   #2515
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Thank you. That was a nice reference. Among that data, average MPG = 28.55; standard deviation = 2.6 mpg. Roughly 68% of the drivers should expect their average gas mileage to range between 26.0 and 31.2. Roughly 95% of the drivers should expect their average gas mileage to range between 23.4 and 33.8 mpg. If my time permitted I would go through each of the 202 fuelie records, note significant candidate factors such as auto/manual, miles driven, average miles per hour, % city/% highway, and whatever makes sense. We could then do a multiple regression and see what comes of it. If regression made little sense, we could at least do a series of ANOVAs. Then owners could assess whether their particular car mileage was typical for their model configuration or not. Perhaps this would help relieve the considerable anxiety that seems present. Of course it does little to relieve the EPA angst.
I'm thinking we compare it to fuelly records of others in its mpg range vs. *their* EPA estimates. I don't have time right now though myself.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:05 AM   #2516
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And what's wrong with that? 40 MPG with an AWD vehicle would be fantastic!
There's nothing wrong with getting 40 MPG but having to try so hard just to get an extra 4 MPG seems unusual to me. I used to be able to just drive my usual style and blow away the EPA estimates by about 10-20 MPG with my hybrid or by 5-8 MPG with my conventional cars.

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What scan gauge units are you guys using?
I just received my UltraGauge (http://www.ultra-gauge.com/ultragauge/index.htm) in the mail yesterday and I am currently calibrating it. It has a beautiful display and it seems very easy to use.

I poked around on my buddies ScanGauge II and it seemed nice(especially being able to change the color to match the dash color) but at more than 2-3x with less features and a dated looking screen the UltraGauge is a better buy.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:18 AM   #2517
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I used to be able to just drive my usual style and blow away the EPA estimates by about 10-20 MPG with my hybrid or by 5-8 MPG with my conventional cars.
You do know that the EPA has changed its testing and MPG calculation methodology over the past couple of years, so what you used to achieve with your cars that were tested using older methodologies does not apply.

Perhaps what you really don't like is the EPA's new methodology. If the current Impreza was tested under the old methodology, its highway MPGs might be 32 on the window sticker, which would make people happy when they get 36.
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:53 AM   #2518
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You do know that the EPA has changed its testing and MPG calculation methodology over the past couple of years, so what you used to achieve with your cars that were tested using older methodologies does not apply.

Perhaps what you really don't like is the EPA's new methodology. If the current Impreza was tested under the old methodology, its highway MPGs might be 32 on the window sticker, which would make people happy when they get 36.
The new methodology was implemented for model year 2008 and later. The cars that I have beat the EPA estimates on were a 2009 Chevy Malibu (company car) 5MPG over EPA estimate, a 2010 Chevy Impala (company car) 5.5MPG over estimate, and a 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid 10MPG over highway estimate, 20MPG over city estimate. That being said I may just be more conservative driver than the average driver.
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:07 AM   #2519
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The new methodology was implemented for model year 2008 and later. The cars that I have beat the EPA estimates on were a 2009 Chevy Malibu (company car) 5MPG over EPA estimate, a 2010 Chevy Impala (company car) 5.5MPG over estimate, and a 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid 10MPG over highway estimate, 20MPG over city estimate. That being said I may just be more conservative driver than the average driver.
The new methodology was designed to make the ratings more realistic. My old Corolla was originally rated at 40 highway, it was re-rated according to 2008 specs at 36. On a good day (warm and humid) it gets 40 mpg at 80 mph. On my commute of 100 highway miles the Corolla beats the Impreza by 10 mpg, and in typical driving by 6 to 8. They are rated the same "for comparison purposes" by the EPA.

It's easy to get the EPA highway rating on the highway. Just slow down. However, if you look at the money you're saving compared to the extra time it takes you're making less than minikmum wage unless you're driving very fast, at which point speeding tickets and insurance rates come into play...

I get 50 mpg in my Impreza when I drive 50 mph.
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:22 AM   #2520
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The new methodology was designed to make the ratings more realistic. My old Corolla was originally rated at 40 highway, it was re-rated according to 2008 specs at 36. On a good day (warm and humid) it gets 40 mpg at 80 mph. On my commute of 100 highway miles the Corolla beats the Impreza by 10 mpg, and in typical driving by 6 to 8. They are rated the same "for comparison purposes" by the EPA.

It's easy to get the EPA highway rating on the highway. Just slow down. However, if you look at the money you're saving compared to the extra time it takes you're making less than minikmum wage unless you're driving very fast, at which point speeding tickets and insurance rates come into play...

I get 50 mpg in my Impreza when I drive 50 mph.
And you get the EPA 36mpg at 60mph.

So the question remains, why do you think this is a warranty issue?
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Old 12-05-2012, 08:33 PM   #2521
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And you get the EPA 36mpg at 60mph.

So the question remains, why do you think this is a warranty issue?
No, I've answered that question. The question remains: Why don't you understand that the Imporeza cvt gets a lot worse real world mpg than the other cars that the EPA says gets the same? Also you could answer the question: Why don't you understand that a level constant speed is not the same as real world driving?
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No, I've answered that question. The question remains: Why don't you understand that the Imporeza cvt gets a lot worse real world mpg than the other cars that the EPA says gets the same? Also you could answer the question: Why don't you understand that a level constant speed is not the same as real world driving?
You've only established that your impreza gets relatively worse mileage than your toyota at the same speeds you tend to drive.

Other drivers, with CVT's, are getting 36mpg on their highway drives.

Consumer Reports states the car has excellent economy for an AWD vehicle.

It is how you choose to drive it that is causing you to get such poor mileage, don't blame the car, accept a little personal responsibility.
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You've only established that your impreza gets relatively worse mileage than your toyota at the same speeds you tend to drive.

It is how you choose to drive it that is causing you to get such poor mileage, don't blame the car, accept a little personal responsibility.
No, I've established that the Impreza gets significantly worse mileage than other cars with the same EPA rating.

It has nothing to do with *my* driving. It has to do with independent testing vs. the numbers Subaru gave to the EPA, as we've gone over several times. I'm not going to let you just keep repeating ... untruths... though, like a parrot.
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No, I've established that the Impreza gets significantly worse mileage than other cars with the same EPA rating.

It has nothing to do with *my* driving. It has to do with independent testing vs. the numbers Subaru gave to the EPA, as we've gone over several times. I'm not going to let you just keep repeating ... untruths... though, like a parrot.
I bit more HP

AWD

Heavier......


I suppose if you wanted better mpg's you could have just bought one of those vehicles... and you would have a FWD, Lighter vehicle that gets a bit better mpg's

I understand where you are coming from. I wish this car got a bit better gas mileage aside from EPA Highway because I am sure you could drive the wheels off a toyota/honda/ect and probably still pull anywhere between 28-30mpg with no issues (unlike 23-25 or worse that you are possibly getting with "regular" driving" in this car). I personally think the 27 city is a bit over stated but that's about it...
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I bit more HP

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Heavier......

I suppose if you wanted better mpg's you could have just bought one of those vehicles... and you would have a FWD, Lighter vehicle that gets a bit better mpg's

I understand where you are coming from. I wish this car got a bit better gas mileage aside from EPA Highway because I am sure you could drive the wheels off a toyota/honda/ect and probably still pull anywhere between 28-30mpg with no issues (unlike 23-25 or worse that you are possibly getting with "regular" driving" in this car). I personally think the 27 city is a bit over stated but that's about it...
Didn't you hear, the epa accounts for all that. They account for the extra weight, they account for their proprietary blend of fuel, even awd is in those numbers. Heh I think they even account for lack of driving skill and human error. No matter what this car should be able to get 36mpg under all highway driving, blah blah blah


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