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Old 12-16-2012, 07:30 PM   #2626
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Imperial -v- US Gallon would account for a large difference in MPG. As Zeeper indicated, this has been discussed ad-nausium.
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Old 12-16-2012, 08:43 PM   #2627
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Measured mileage over a wind-protected, flat 2-mile stretch of straight road. This is based on the dash FE gauge, minus the 2 mpg that mine over-estimates. Mileage drops off several mpg at 25 mph, BTW:



I achieved an actual 37 mpg on one tank of gas, commuting 40 miles. 5 city miles, 10 miles at 65-75 mph, and 25 miles at 55-60 mph, with a dozen stops along the way on 2-lane county roads.
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Old 12-16-2012, 11:46 PM   #2628
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My mistake, I see the EPA only tests some cars directly. Many of those pictures taken include odometer readings that would rule out the kind of cheating you described.
Well, for one thing we don't know how fast or where those cars are driven. It's also a little curious when the trip odometer has *never* been reset, for over 6000 miles, since rolling off the assembly line. I don't recall any other images showing both miles driven since reset and mpg (which is adjustable anyway)

The big thing is the dishonest rambling of Zeeper, accusing me (and others I'm sure) of statements we have never made. He's a little strong on attempted intimidation and a little short on facts and logic. He also doesn't even have a cvt, so what makes him think he can take anectodal data and formulate a conclusion?

Then his sidekick flyboy brings up Consumer Reports, and not very much digging reveals some significant differences between reality and EPA "measurements" showing the Impreza to be sorely lacking in real world fuel economy based on his very choices.

Interesting - and weak. Very weak.
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Old 12-16-2012, 11:47 PM   #2629
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Measured mileage over a wind-protected, flat 2-mile stretch of straight road. This is based on the dash FE gauge, minus the 2 mpg that mine over-estimates. Mileage drops off several mpg at 25 mph, BTW:



I achieved an actual 37 mpg on one tank of gas, commuting 40 miles. 5 city miles, 10 miles at 65-75 mph, and 25 miles at 55-60 mph, with a dozen stops along the way on 2-lane county roads.
Were those two way runs? Not that I disagree with your numbers, it's just that to be truly representative one needs two way runs.
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Old 12-16-2012, 11:50 PM   #2630
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I filled up today. 317.4 miles, 11.2 gallons, 28.3 mpg, trieo computer reported 28.2. I'd say the adjustment I had the dealer make was about prefect. This tank was 60% highway at speeds of 65-85, and the rest in town or idling
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:01 AM   #2631
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On my first full tank, with more than the half of the distance on the highway, got a dissapointed 25mpg...
Seems that going over 60mph the mpg drops rapidly.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:10 AM   #2632
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Well, for one thing we don't know how fast or where those cars are driven. It's also a little curious when the trip odometer has *never* been reset, for over 6000 miles, since rolling off the assembly line. I don't recall any other images showing both miles driven since reset and mpg (which is adjustable anyway)

The big thing is the dishonest rambling of Zeeper, accusing me (and others I'm sure) of statements we have never made. He's a little strong on attempted intimidation and a little short on facts and logic. He also doesn't even have a cvt, so what makes him think he can take anectodal data and formulate a conclusion?

Then his sidekick flyboy brings up Consumer Reports, and not very much digging reveals some significant differences between reality and EPA "measurements" showing the Impreza to be sorely lacking in real world fuel economy based on his very choices.

Interesting - and weak. Very weak.
Very weak indeed, where is there any evidence that Consumer Reports recommends the new Impreza, or thinks it gets good MPG's for an AWD platform...

If only there was some sort of video, that anyone could watch...



Have you filed a warranty complaint yet, or attempted to contact the EPA to pursue a fraud investigation against Subaru?

Those are yes or no questions, you don't need to analyze any data from your scan gauge to answer them.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:21 AM   #2633
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As a sidenote,
ford is currently going through some epa mpg issues, if the differential on the impreza had been as dramatic as the ford or the blatant hyundai issues then the government would have stepped in. From monitoring both threads I can say both cvt and mtl drivers have been able to easily get the epa sticker especially when engine is warm. Considering the holiday season I think everyone should drive around 60 and stick to the right lane of the road that way I can floor it across ny state without flashing my lights or being brake checked.

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Old 12-17-2012, 12:32 PM   #2634
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Very weak indeed, where is there any evidence that Consumer Reports recommends the new Impreza, or thinks it gets good MPG's for an AWD platform...

If only there was some sort of video, that anyone could watch...


http://youtu.be/Y8X6kJX7rT4

Have you filed a warranty complaint yet, or attempted to contact the EPA to pursue a fraud investigation against Subaru?

Those are yes or no questions, you don't need to analyze any data from your scan gauge to answer them.
yup, CR is incredibly disappointed with the MPG of the impreza "Considering stardard AWD"....
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:30 PM   #2635
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So here's my numbers post trip.

268 miles roundtrip over 2 snow covered mountain passes.

Digital readout read 28.8 MPG for the trip

I used 9.9 gallons of gas (I filled up when I got home) for a hand calculated MPG of 27.07 MPG.

So, MPG was definitely better than it has been although real world MPG's look to be about 7% off compared to the digital read-out. Seems to be a pretty big margin of error.

Either way, I'm happy about the MPG's considering I had 2 mountain passes to climb each way.


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PuyallupCoug: I live in the same general climate zone as you do, and my commute is just over twice the distance as yours (about 25 km each way, or just over 15 miles), without the benefit of highway travel (ie. it's basically all city stop-and-go traffic). That said, I have taken it on the freeway here on the weekends for my own enjoyment, so I would say I'm about 90% city driving, 10% freeway driving.

If it matters any, I'm in a CVT (you didn't mention what type of transmission yours had, so I'll assume 5MT). No maintenance has been done yet (will probably do my first one at 5000 miles / 8000 km).

My average fuel consumption figures are just short of 10 litres per 100 km. This translates to approximately 23-24 MPG. This figure is hand-calculated from my fuel-ups, not the figure that the dummy display wants me to believe (25 MPG). I'm now at about 4000 km / 2500 miles total on the odometer.

I agree with flyboy that your short commute is probably what's killing your fuel consumption. I can guarantee that mine (with all the idle time stuck in traffic) is definitely due to that.

Keep us posted on how your car does on your trip.
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:44 PM   #2636
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So here's my numbers post trip.

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So, MPG was definitely better than it has been although real world MPG's look to be about 7% off compared to the digital read-out. Seems to be a pretty big margin of error.
Thanks for sharing.

Yeah, apparently the digital readout discrepancy is a known issue (sort of). I just wish they would've made it accurate out of the factory, instead of having to take it into the dealership for a tweaking.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:09 PM   #2637
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So here's my numbers post trip.

268 miles roundtrip over 2 snow covered mountain passes.

Digital readout read 28.8 MPG for the trip

I used 9.9 gallons of gas (I filled up when I got home) for a hand calculated MPG of 27.07 MPG.

So, MPG was definitely better than it has been although real world MPG's look to be about 7% off compared to the digital read-out. Seems to be a pretty big margin of error.

Either way, I'm happy about the MPG's considering I had 2 mountain passes to climb each way.
is your odometer correct? most are off 2.5-3.5%...mine is off by 2.8%

what was your speed on this trip?
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:37 PM   #2638
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is your odometer correct? most are off 2.5-3.5%...mine is off by 2.8%

what was your speed on this trip?
I sure hope my odometer is correct. I haven't had a chance to check it via the highway speed check signs.

I think average for the trip was about 45mph since we were dealing with snow covered roads most of the time.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:42 PM   #2639
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I sure hope my odometer is correct. I haven't had a chance to check it via the highway speed check signs.

I think average for the trip was about 45mph since we were dealing with snow covered roads most of the time.
Which trim model?
If u check mine by the road signs I'm off by 3.5%, but by gps it is 2.8%
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Old 12-17-2012, 07:29 PM   #2640
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Which trim model?
If u check mine by the road signs I'm off by 3.5%, but by gps it is 2.8%
'13 Sport Limited 5 Door.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:44 PM   #2641
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Very weak indeed, where is there any evidence that Consumer Reports recommends the new Impreza, or thinks it gets good MPG's for an AWD platform...

If only there was some sort of video, that anyone could watch...


http://youtu.be/Y8X6kJX7rT4

Have you filed a warranty complaint yet, or attempted to contact the EPA to pursue a fraud investigation against Subaru?

Those are yes or no questions, you don't need to analyze any data from your scan gauge to answer them.
Yep, "mpg 'so-so' for a small sedan" they say. And, we've been over the fact that compared to other cars that get Consumer Reports 27 mpg (as chosen by your faithful if somewhat uncomprehending sidekick flyboy) it lies over *two standard deviations* below the EPA ratings of the competition - not that you "get the math".

So, do you believe Consumer Reports or not? You seem to vacillate depending on the point you are trying (sort of, I guess) to make.

And, as far as filing a warranty complaint as you continue to have imagined me saying, I have not yet considered it, but if I do you will be among the first to know.

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Old 12-17-2012, 11:09 PM   #2642
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Yep, "mpg 'so-so' for a small sedan" they say. And, we've been over the fact that compared to other cars that get Consumer Reports 27 mpg (as chosen by your faithful if somewhat uncomprehending sidekick flyboy) it lies over *two standard deviations* below the EPA ratings of the competition - not that you "get the math".

So, do you believe Consumer Reports or not? You seem to vacillate depending on the point you are trying (sort of, I guess) to make.

And, as far as filing a warranty complaint as you continue to have imagined me saying, I have not yet considered it, but if I do you will be among the first to know.

If you are not considering filing a warranty complaint, why are you so prolific over on the warranty thread?

A thread that really has no reason for continuing, if you, the biggest complainer on the thread, are not even seriously considering filing a warranty complaint.

Maybe that has something to do with your Scan Gauge showing 36mpg at 60mph (many CVT owners are actually seeing better numbers than that in their actual driving, but that was your personal scientific measurement).

That is sure proof that Subaru gamed the EPA.

It has as much going for it as your continued reliance on Consumer Reports to bolster your case, the same Consumer Reports that recommends the car and thinks the MPG are outstanding for an AWD car.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. You are 0 for 2.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:41 PM   #2643
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Yep, "mpg 'so-so' for a small sedan" they say. And, we've been over the fact that compared to other cars that get Consumer Reports 27 mpg (as chosen by your faithful if somewhat uncomprehending sidekick flyboy) it lies over *two standard deviations* below the EPA ratings of the competition - not that you "get the math".

So, do you believe Consumer Reports or not? You seem to vacillate depending on the point you are trying (sort of, I guess) to make.

And, as far as filing a warranty complaint as you continue to have imagined me saying, I have not yet considered it, but if I do you will be among the first to know.

CR clearly states the MPG is really good for an AWD vehicle and that they are impressed with it. does it get EPA mpg @ 80+ hell no, but hardly any cars do, but they say at least twice in that video that they are happy and impressed with the MPG
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:33 AM   #2644
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I just learned to not give a **** i can stomp the crap out of it in town and on the interstate and get 24 or i can drive like my grandmother and get up to 30 on the interstate.... It's just not worth pissing about.. i just wish i would have bought the forester
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:56 AM   #2645
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trade it in when the new forester comes out otherwise keep it three years then flip for a new fozzy
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:03 AM   #2646
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If you are not considering filing a warranty complaint, why are you so prolific over on the warranty thread?

A thread that really has no reason for continuing, if you, the biggest complainer on the thread, are not even seriously considering filing a warranty complaint.

Maybe that has something to do with your Scan Gauge showing 36mpg at 60mph (many CVT owners are actually seeing better numbers than that in their actual driving, but that was your personal scientific measurement).

That is sure proof that Subaru gamed the EPA.

It has as much going for it as your continued reliance on Consumer Reports to bolster your case, the same Consumer Reports that recommends the car and thinks the MPG are outstanding for an AWD car.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. You are 0 for 2.
I'm not sure how you can be so consistently wrong. That warranty thread was there for a long time before I found it. Maybe they have something there. Of course they're talking about the cvt, which you don't even have, so I fail to see how you know what you're talking about by quoting a minority of anecdotes.

As far as my ability to get fairly good numbers on a flat one mile two way run, your inability to understand how that compares to real world mpg continues to amaze me. You must then think Craig Breedlove can drive from Los Angeles to New York in 4 hours.

The biggest farce of your posts is that you apparently don't understand the relevance of the fact that in objective testing which has nothing to do with my results nor the majority of cvt owner comments here, the EPA procedure Subaru allegedly followed yields results that are two standard deviations away from the results of the EPA tests compared to the Consumer Reports tests of similarly rated cars that your own tag team buddy flyboy chose right out of Consumer Reports itself.

Oh wait, sorry. I think that sentence was probably *waaay* too long for you to follow.
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:12 AM   #2647
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I'm not sure how you can be so consistently wrong. That warranty thread was there for a long time before I found it. Maybe they have something there. Of course they're talking about the cvt, which you don't even have, so I fail to see how you know what you're talking about by quoting a minority of anecdotes.

As far as my ability to get fairly good numbers on a flat one mile two way run, your inability to understand how that compares to real world mpg continues to amaze me. You must then think Craig Breedlove can drive from Los Angeles to New York in 4 hours.

The biggest farce of your posts is that you apparently don't understand the relevance of the fact that in objective testing which has nothing to do with my results nor the majority of cvt owner comments here, the EPA procedure Subaru allegedly followed yields results that are two standard deviations away from the results of the EPA tests compared to the Consumer Reports tests of similarly rated cars that your own tag team buddy flyboy chose right out of Consumer Reports itself.

Oh wait, sorry. I think that sentence was probably *waaay* too long for you to follow.
Which of these "similarly rated" "cars" are AWD?
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:22 AM   #2648
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Which of these "similarly rated" "cars" are AWD?
It doesn't matter. The EPA ratings take that into consideration, so two identical vehicles, one with AWD and the other without, are rated differently. The AWD versions are rated lower.

Under the same conditions, if the Impreza didn't have AWD it would probably return about 4 mpg better.
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how is manually calculating fuel mileage any more accurate that the computer? when i go to refuel, do i calculate at the first click of the pump, bc adding more fuel can change the MPG, and every pump may be different, no? the amount added can change mpg, right?
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how is manually calculating fuel mileage any more accurate that the computer? when i go to refuel, do i calculate at the first click of the pump, bc adding more fuel can change the MPG, and every pump may be different, no? the amount added can change mpg, right?
Right, which is why hand-calculated fuel economy is still imprecise, although it is assumed that if you follow the same process every time you fill up (how far past the first click you go, etc.), your error will average out over time.

Whereas it's not recommended with gas cars because doing so will damage your emissions system, diesel cars can truly be filled to the top of the filler neck without harm. Not only does this give the car some extra range, but it makes hand calculations of fuel economy very accurate, since you can visually see that you've filled to the same level every time.

Oh well, just a small thing that I miss about owning the 2010 VW TDI that I dumped due to horrific unreliability. But it was nice to max out the fuel tank like that.

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