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Old 12-18-2012, 11:48 AM   #2651
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I'm not sure how you can be so consistently wrong. That warranty thread was there for a long time before I found it. Maybe they have something there. Of course they're talking about the cvt, which you don't even have, so I fail to see how you know what you're talking about by quoting a minority of anecdotes.

As far as my ability to get fairly good numbers on a flat one mile two way run, your inability to understand how that compares to real world mpg continues to amaze me. You must then think Craig Breedlove can drive from Los Angeles to New York in 4 hours.

The biggest farce of your posts is that you apparently don't understand the relevance of the fact that in objective testing which has nothing to do with my results nor the majority of cvt owner comments here, the EPA procedure Subaru allegedly followed yields results that are two standard deviations away from the results of the EPA tests compared to the Consumer Reports tests of similarly rated cars that your own tag team buddy flyboy chose right out of Consumer Reports itself.

Oh wait, sorry. I think that sentence was probably *waaay* too long for you to follow.
Some CVT drivers have exceeded the HWY MPG's, some have not. Consumer Reports was reviewing the CVT version.

The fact that your entire premise is based upon the numbers published by Consumer Reports in their magazine is a joke. You don't have access to their raw testing data, and they would never provide it to you. They cannot be overly concerned with your two standard deviation theory, because they are still recommending the car and its great MPGs for an AWD platform.

Keep whining and doing nothing about it. The fact is that you realize that all you have left is impotent whining, because you cannot make a warranty claim or succeed in convincing the EPA that Subaru committed fraud, based upon the simple fact that you know you can achieve the EPA numbers if you drive it like they tested it.

You don't, you've already told us that your time is too valuable to drive slower than 70mph on the highway.

Call and tell the EPA you think Subaru committed fraud because you cannot get the EPA HWY numbers when you drive faster than 70mph on your Texas highways and let us know how long they laugh at you before they hang up.
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Old 12-20-2012, 11:41 PM   #2652
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Some CVT drivers have exceeded the HWY MPG's, some have not. Consumer Reports was reviewing the CVT version.
And some people voted for Mickey Mouse for President.


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The fact that your entire premise is based upon the numbers published by Consumer Reports in their magazine is a joke.
That's hardly the truth, and you know it.
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Old 12-21-2012, 07:37 AM   #2653
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And some people voted for Mickey Mouse for President.
It is strange how you equate voter registration fraud with voter fraud. There is plenty of voter registration fraud, usually caused by a political party paying someone by the number of "voters" they register to vote, which lends itself to minimum wage hires turning in fake forms to collect more money from their employer.

ACORN was often blamed for this, but it took on a whole new realm of hypocrisy when the GOP's main voter registration wing was accused of doing this in multiple states during the last election -- causing their main source of registering new voters to shut down across the country.

Voter fraud, however, is extremely rare.

This is pretty evident, as evidence during the 8 years of the previous GOP administration, when they made prosecuting voter fraud a top priority of the Justice department (instead of, say, domestic terrorism or something else that is an actual issue...), they came up with only a few cases, the majority of which were registered voters who inadvertently voted at the wrong precinct.

But I can understand why you want to change the subject to politics and away from the Warranty Claim or a fraud complaint to the EPA.

You realize your evidence is similarly flimsy. There are CVT owners who are getting better than the EPA numbers, all you need to do is read the forums and see what they are saying, or look at Fuelly and see that there is a wide distribution of data supporing both higher and lower MPG's, mainly based upon the type of driving, and the way the car is driven.

In other words, you can get better MPG's, but not apparently by driving the car the way you choose to.

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Old 12-21-2012, 01:16 PM   #2654
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Just got 37mpg displayed on my last tank. Lowest ive seen since break in period. I blame the extra city miles that week and cold temps.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:34 PM   #2655
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Just got 37mpg displayed on my last tank. Lowest ive seen since break in period. I blame the extra city miles that week and cold temps.
What road around Toms River allows you to get those MPGs?
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:41 PM   #2656
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What road around Toms River allows you to get those MPGs?
Lol. Rt 70 > I 295 > Rt 55. Mostly flat and Rt70 speed limit is 50, 55
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:46 PM   #2657
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Lol. Rt 70 > I 295 > Rt 55. Mostly flat and Rt70 speed limit is 50, 55
Perfect conditions for getting max MPG!
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:52 PM   #2658
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Perfect conditions for getting max MPG!
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Old 12-21-2012, 02:54 PM   #2659
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Lol. Rt 70 > I 295 > Rt 55. Mostly flat and Rt70 speed limit is 50, 55
My daily commute, I get on 295 at 70, take that to 55, and follow that just about all the way down. I did my last tank at 28 mpg mostly driving 80 mph on 55.
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Old 12-21-2012, 03:00 PM   #2660
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i'm calling the cops on you, i'm about to burn some gas heading to upstate ny, seems there will be some snow and some 15f, driving backroads and mountains yee haw.

Happy holidays to all be safe out there
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Old 12-22-2012, 11:52 PM   #2661
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Worst tank yet doing same old commute. Only difference is temperature.
24.0 mpg calculated. Bah humbug.
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Old 12-23-2012, 02:10 AM   #2662
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Tomorrow I am going to be doing a 270 mile round-trip journey tomorrow, I am going to try to hyper-mile it. We shall see how it goes!
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Old 12-23-2012, 02:40 AM   #2663
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Tomorrow I am going to be doing a 270 mile round-trip journey tomorrow, I am going to try to hyper-mile it. We shall see how it goes!
I can predict...

Slowly.
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Old 12-23-2012, 03:22 AM   #2664
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Slowly.
Of course I have to go slower. I won't go below speed limit however. You can't go 75mph+ and expect to pull good numbers.
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Old 12-23-2012, 03:29 AM   #2665
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Of course I have to go slower. I won't go below speed limit however. You can't go 75mph+ and expect to pull good numbers.
You can't do that on most freeways - that is not go slower than the speed limit and not go over 75...
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Old 12-23-2012, 03:31 AM   #2666
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Stay to the right and cruise. Of course there will be some that pass you.
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Old 12-23-2012, 03:34 AM   #2667
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Stay to the right and cruise. Of course there will be some that pass you.
Yup, I have 860 to drive on Monday, this is my plan. I budgeted for 25mpg, but hopefully I will get better
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Old 12-23-2012, 04:06 AM   #2668
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I'm running my first tank of 89 octane at the moment, and I'm due to fill the tank soon. I'm expecting the worst fuel consumption numbers ever for my car since owning it when I do the hand calcs after the fill-up.

I blame it on having a few 30-minute line-ups for choke points (bridges, tunnels) in snowy weather because people don't know how to stay the **** at home (ie. not drive) or learn to handle snowy condiitons when it comes.

I expect the next 9 tanks of 89 octane to give me a better indication of overall fuel consumption.
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Old 12-23-2012, 11:11 AM   #2669
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Stay to the right and cruise. Of course there will be some that pass you.
In the western US if you drive 75 most people will be passing you, and if you don't stay to the right you will be ... glared at, at least, and some states actually enforce the "drive on the right pass on the left" provision of the law.
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Old 12-23-2012, 11:21 AM   #2670
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In the western US if you drive 75 most people will be passing you, and if you don't stay to the right you will be ... glared at, at least, and some states actually enforce the "drive on the right pass on the left" provision of the law.
I'm of the mind that if I'm not speeding enough (or at all) and someone else gets upset they can go straight to hell. The speed limit is posted and it's not my fault others can't plan ahead.
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Old 12-23-2012, 11:47 AM   #2671
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I'm of the mind that if I'm not speeding enough (or at all) and someone else gets upset they can go straight to hell. The speed limit is posted and it's not my fault others can't plan ahead.
It just depends on what you think your time is worth. If you drive slowly, just stay in the right lane. Those who drive slowly in the left lane have control issues or are just plain clueless.
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Old 12-23-2012, 01:23 PM   #2672
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I take driving in and around cities different then open highways. But if you are on the open highway "Slower Traffic Keep Right" is subjective to you and the speed of the cars around you, not absolute in regards to the speed limit. What I mean, is if I'm driving 5 miles over the speed limit, and the cars coming up behind me want to run 10 over, it is my responsibility to get over to the right, unless I'm actively passing a car driving slower then me. Doing other wise only leads to more accidents as cars try and pass on the right in situations where they shouldn't. Let the Police decide weather that person passing you is going too fast, don't regulate it by hanging out in the left lane.

This is a personal pet peeve of mine. I'll admit that I've been a dick about it before, and done things in the past I absolutely shouldn't have, like tailgate or flash brights at people hanging out in the left, as apposed to just passing them on the right. However I really do believe it is a dangerous driving style, and leads to grouping up of cars, and thus better chance of accidents affecting more vehicles.
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I'm of the mind that if I'm not speeding enough (or at all) and someone else gets upset they can go straight to hell. The speed limit is posted and it's not my fault others can't plan ahead.
When I was under 20 I felt like Stevehnm, but now that I'm nearly 30 with a kid, anyone who glares at me for going anywhere from 5 under to 5 over depending on my mind that day can **** off because I don't care what you think of my driving habits
Note: I won't drive slow in the left lane, if I am passing I will hit the gas because I absolutely hate when someone takes 5+ miles to pass me, it is just unsafe for both cars
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When I was under 20 I felt like Stevehnm, but now that I'm nearly 30 with a kid, anyone who glares at me for going anywhere from 5 under to 5 over depending on my mind that day can **** off because I don't care what you think of my driving habits
Note: I won't drive slow in the left lane, if I am passing I will hit the gas because I absolutely hate when someone takes 5+ miles to pass me, it is just unsafe for both cars
^^ This +1

Most people are perfectly reasonable about following these rules. It's the maniacs and delinquents and zero-clue folks ruining it for everyone else. 98% suffer because of 2%.
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Old 12-23-2012, 03:13 PM   #2675
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I take driving in and around cities different then open highways. But if you are on the open highway "Slower Traffic Keep Right" is subjective to you and the speed of the cars around you, not absolute in regards to the speed limit. What I mean, is if I'm driving 5 miles over the speed limit, and the cars coming up behind me want to run 10 over, it is my responsibility to get over to the right, unless I'm actively passing a car driving slower then me. Doing other wise only leads to more accidents as cars try and pass on the right in situations where they shouldn't. Let the Police decide weather that person passing you is going too fast, don't regulate it by hanging out in the left lane.

This is a personal pet peeve of mine. I'll admit that I've been a dick about it before, and done things in the past I absolutely shouldn't have, like tailgate or flash brights at people hanging out in the left, as apposed to just passing them on the right. However I really do believe it is a dangerous driving style, and leads to grouping up of cars, and thus better chance of accidents affecting more vehicles.
I agree with you 100% - it's all relative to the speed of the vehicles around you. Traffic Engineers try to set the speed limit at the 85th percentile of free flow traffic - actually about the first standard deviation. Unfortunately there are non-engineers who apply their own prejudices sometimes. (Of course so do some people who call themselves engineers as well - but I would beg to differ in that personal preferences have nothing to do with science).

About half of my commute is fairly busy interstate - most of the rest is rural interstate. I try to stay to the right, and even go on by slower traffic by itself in the left lane - and give them "the look" - about one third anger, one third disgust, and one third pity because I think they're stupid.

The safest is actually all traffic flowing at the same speed, or "platooning". The further the speed limit is below the free flow traffic speed, the more accidents.

I apply the factor of how much reducing speed increases mpg - in my three vehicles - that controls how fast I go. The Corolla there is no consideration for fuel savings, in my lifted 4Runner I try not to exceed 65, and I am against another consideration with the Impreza - probability of getting a ticket, so I rarely exceed 80 in that. Faster than that and my time is not worth the gas savings.

As far as how long I've been doing thas, I bought my first Subaru, an '81 4WD hatchback (with a two speed transfer case - shift on the fly!), new.
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