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Old 01-12-2013, 11:18 PM   #2876
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I just don't know what you're bitching about, CR was able to get almost the EPA estimate. You're bitching about other cars and how they tested. Subaru says it gets 36mpg and CR confirmed that, along with people's own real-world usage on here. So what do you have to complain about?
It didn't get 900mpg @ 180mph like his 2004 corolla. You have can't be lazy in how you drive this car which I think is the problem.

I personally think almost everyone who can't achieve epa combined mpg it is either the driver or the surrounding area ( terrain or traffic conditions)
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Old 01-13-2013, 12:08 AM   #2877
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Well we have never seen the estimated 36 mpg highway. I think that the only time the car reported mpg that high is right after the car is filled up with gas and driven at ~45 mph on a secondary road. Hit the highway and that drops off very fast with the CVT. Even when I have driven the car the best I could get on the display was maybe 33 mpg average while driving on the highway. However the lifetime average is 29.4 mpg as calculated.

So meeting the combined mpg is great, and I agree thats great mpg for an AWD car.

I think alot of this might all be about perception.

My Focus is rated at 36 mpg highway, 30 combined, and I am averaging 33 in mixed driving, and have seen much higher on occation. My wifes old 04 Ion was getting the same combined mpg as the Impreza and isn't rated as well either.

So from that viewpoint the mpg is disappointing and impressive at the same time.




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Old 01-13-2013, 06:22 AM   #2878
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I personally think almost everyone who can't achieve epa combined mpg it is either the driver or the surrounding area ( terrain or traffic conditions)
And the E10 gas. As others have suggested, I'll bet you a beer that the EPA testing is done with E0, not E10. So as soon as most of us fill our tanks, we're already at a disadvantage.
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:14 AM   #2879
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Simply put. Give it up if you aren't doing highway driving. This cars overall mpg performance is unimpressive respective to everyday standard driving and will not improve until this cold weather budges(wishful thinking)

IMO quite ridiculous how the "only" way to reach these numbers is by taking long trips. All I say is if terrain, gas, blah blah blah can hamper this car's efficiency though others 'equally rated' can pull their ratings without as many issues then the Impreza's fuel efficiency shouldn't be rated as such. The best tank I even expect to put is about 460. I don't want this car to excede it's rating I want to to at LEAST hit it's advertised numbers on a semi regular basis. I don't consider my drives around Waldorf to be "city" driving and the fact that I have to "cruise", "nanny", and emplore hypermile tactics just to scrape 28mpg is a bit to say the least..

last tank I hit was 25.. matter of fact most of my tanks are near that and so I have just decided settle for that and carry on.
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:44 AM   #2880
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And the E10 gas. As others have suggested, I'll bet you a beer that the EPA testing is done with E0, not E10. So as soon as most of us fill our tanks, we're already at a disadvantage.

no bet. the EPA uses a proprietary blend of E0, and 94 octane IIRC (i read it somewhere a while back but can't find it now). so no matter what, you can never use the same type of gas they do because it is only made for them!

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Old 01-13-2013, 08:48 AM   #2881
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Simply put. Give it up if you aren't doing highway driving. This cars overall mpg performance is unimpressive respective to everyday standard driving and will not improve until this cold weather budges(wishful thinking)

I don't want this car to excede it's rating I want to to at LEAST hit it's advertised numbers on a semi regular basis
well you burn .25gal every time you start a cold engine, so unless you are taking longer drives that will kill your mpg every time.

i feel the startup sequence is completely unnecessary and if i could get a custom tune made just to remove that i would be ecstatic
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:49 AM   #2882
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well you burn .25gal every time you start a cold engine, so unless you are taking longer drives that will kill your mpg every time.

i feel the startup sequence is completely unnecessary and if i could get a custom tune made just to remove that i would be ecstatic
If you use a quart of fuel on startup there is something terribly wrong with your vehicle. I would think that you wouldn't use more than a couple of hundred CC's of fuel on startup.

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Old 01-13-2013, 12:05 PM   #2883
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IMO quite ridiculous how the "only" way to reach these numbers is by taking long trips. All I say is if terrain, gas, blah blah blah can hamper this car's efficiency though others 'equally rated' can pull their ratings without as many issues then the Impreza's fuel efficiency shouldn't be rated as such.

The EPA website says they re-test about 10% of vehicle models to confirm manufacturer's results, so one can assume they didn't re-test this car. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/info.shtml
The '09 Civic EX I traded in was rated 26/36 and the Impreza is 27/36. I immediately thought "WHAT! That can't be right". The Impreza: bigger engine, more weight and AWD had +1 city and the same highway mileage rating. The 36% fuel economy improvement was half of my decesion to buy this car and I have no regrets or have any issues at 17,300 miles. The mileage falls a little short but I do what I can to not waste gas. Being in a traffic jam or at traffic lights can't be avoided but I avoid drive-thru lines like the plague. I park and go inside.
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Old 01-13-2013, 12:15 PM   #2884
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If you use a quart of fuel on startup there is something terribly wrong with your vehicle. I would think that you wouldn't use more than a couple of hundred CC's of fuel on startup.

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About a tablespoon of gas will do.
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Old 01-13-2013, 12:17 PM   #2885
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If you use a quart of fuel on startup there is something terribly wrong with your vehicle. I would think that you wouldn't use more than a couple of hundred CC's of fuel on startup.

Paul
Also Some folks drive the car cold from point A to B(a short distance) and thus it burns more fuel than when the car is warmed up

Short drives really kill this cars mpg's and apparently well below what is expected of them due to advertised fuel efficiency..

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Old 01-13-2013, 12:20 PM   #2886
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Simply put. Give it up if you aren't doing highway driving.
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i feel the startup sequence is completely unnecessary and if i could get a custom tune made just to remove that i would be ecstatic
^ this! I wish. Would probably make my PZEV no longer a PZEV but that start up is what's killing it for me. I don't have enough highway driving on my day to day to make up for it.

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Old 01-13-2013, 02:18 PM   #2887
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If you use a quart of fuel on startup there is something terribly wrong with your vehicle. I would think that you wouldn't use more than a couple of hundred CC's of fuel on startup.

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A CC is a mL idiot. A couple hundred CCs = .2L....
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:40 PM   #2888
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If you use a quart of fuel on startup there is something terribly wrong with your vehicle. I would think that you wouldn't use more than a couple of hundred CC's of fuel on startup.

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Soneone measured it. It has to do with the pzev warm up. It only burns .15gal/hr onced warmed up.
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Old 01-13-2013, 02:46 PM   #2889
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^ this! I wish. Would probably make by PZEV no longer a PZEV but that start up is what's killing it for me. I don't have enough highway driving on my day to day to make up for it.
I don't live in a pzev state so I'm all for adjusting the sequence. After I have had our plugged in for a few hours I see no reason for my car to still idle at 1500 or 2000rpm until the emission garbage is up to temp which is still a few minutes.

I don't understand how burning more fuel makes it more low emission
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:37 PM   #2890
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A CC is a mL idiot. A couple hundred CCs = .2L....
Flyboy stated that the engine uses .25 GALLON on startup.
Where do you come off calling someone an idiot? Really??

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Old 01-13-2013, 05:49 PM   #2891
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Flyboy stated that the engine uses .25 GALLON on startup.
Where do you come off calling someone an idiot? Really??
I doubt he meant that a quart vanishes as you turn they key.

On a point A to B trip, having a cold engine at point A means more fuel burned by the time you get to point B, versus starting on a hot engine.

Some exceptions are made for the EPA test, for example disabling DRLs. I wouldn't put it past the EPA to let manufacturers use E0 as they force E10 on the rest of us.

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Old 01-13-2013, 06:06 PM   #2892
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Flyboy stated that the engine uses .25 GALLON on startup.
Where do you come off calling someone an idiot? Really??

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i don't quite remember where i got that number, so i might have twisted it a bit. but for sure there were several people that calculated and/or tested fuel burn @ idle on a warm engine and it was .16ish gal/hr. so on initial cold startup it is going to burn more than normal idle, maybe not .25gal, but more than normal idle and more than in the summer.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:20 PM   #2893
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I just don't know what you're bitching about, CR was able to get almost the EPA estimate. You're bitching about other cars and how they tested. Subaru says it gets 36mpg and CR confirmed that, along with people's own real-world usage on here. So what do you have to complain about?
I'm not bitching "about other cars and how they tested" so apparently you were right the first time - you don't know.

To the point (once again) the EPA numbers are meant to compare how cars do vs. others in terms of *mpg*.

Also, as I keep saying but you apparently still don't understand, anybody can get the EPA mileage numbers if they drive slowly enough. If you don't understand that I can't help you.
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It didn't get 900mpg @ 180mph like his 2004 corolla.
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You have can't be lazy in how you drive this car which I think is the problem.
How would you know what the problem is? Do you think you are some all knowing wizard? Well, of course you do, looking at your posts. I don't suppose it would do any good to remind you, again, that you don't even have a CVT.
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:38 PM   #2895
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Put me in the group looking for a way to short-circuit the PZEV startup routine. That's probably my biggest issue with the vehicle. It drives like crap for 2 miles and burns extra gas. Just stupid.
Also, thanks for suggesting the ignore option. Never knew that existed.
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Slow down, enjoy the MPG's...
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Old 01-14-2013, 12:03 PM   #2897
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Was driving in 55* weather this morning and def noticed the improve in mpgs. Grr winter weather, I say either snow or gtfo!
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Old 01-14-2013, 12:15 PM   #2898
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How would you know what the problem is? Do you think you are some all knowing wizard? Well, of course you do, looking at your posts. I don't suppose it would do any good to remind you, again, that you don't even have a CVT.

i blame the driver. if i drive like a moron (flooring it continually because it doesn't accelerate fast enough, etc),i get ****ty mpg. if i drive like a normal human being (understanding that this is an ECONOMY car) then i can achieve good mpg.

Let me go check my car......yup no POS CVT there.... what I just posted above still applies, but there are just too many variables (driver only being 1 of many) that go into MPG to expect something other than the EXPECTED RANGE printed on the label. The EXPECTED RANGE should be used to compare similar cars, not the big bold number.

i think the 5sp drivers understand this much more than the CVT/auto crowd which is why the mpg seems to be better. yes there might be some bad apples out there, there always is, but when majority of people seem to be getting decent mpg, then you really need to look into your habits/locale/traffic/etc/etc.....
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Started tracking mpg in dec and so far my avg is 27.2. I live in Ontario and travel weekly between North Bay and Ottawa (approx 235 miles one way). Winter tires and cold weather so yes i am pretty happy with the results so far and see no problem reaching 32-35 mpg this summer. And that's with the cvt.
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i blame the driver. if i drive like a moron (flooring it continually because it doesn't accelerate fast enough, etc),i get ****ty mpg. if i drive like a normal human being (understanding that this is an ECONOMY car) then i can achieve good mpg.

Let me go check my car......yup no POS CVT there.... what I just posted above still applies, but there are just too many variables (driver only being 1 of many) that go into MPG to expect something other than the EXPECTED RANGE printed on the label. The EXPECTED RANGE should be used to compare similar cars, not the big bold number.

i think the 5sp drivers understand this much more than the CVT/auto crowd which is why the mpg seems to be better. yes there might be some bad apples out there, there always is, but when majority of people seem to be getting decent mpg, then you really need to look into your habits/locale/traffic/etc/etc.....
You can expect a debate because the "Expected Range for most drivers" language does not appear on the 2013 Window Sticker. Obviously, with the same exact engine and car, they will argue that the "Expected Range" no longer applies.

You can see my thorough explanation of the EPA Window Sticker change on the previous page.

FWIW expect the same person who debates you on that Window Sticker language to ignore or feign ignorance what was printed on their 2013 Window Sticker:

1) a LARGE AND BOLD Combined City/Highway number with smaller City and Highway numbers, emphasizing combined mileage and demphasizing the other numbers, the opposite of the previous sticker.

2) the small print disclaimer "Actual results will vary for many reasons including driving conditions and how you drive and maintain your vehicle".


Obviously this must be some sort of Subaru conspiracy, getting the EPA to require the same disclaimer on every other new car Window Sticker in the country, just to make it look like the EPA decides what gets printed on the label.

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