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Old 04-02-2012, 12:26 PM   #301
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Has anybody tried calculating these numbers while running premium fuel?

I'd be interested to see the results. I get much better economy in my Cadillac when running premium fuel, and it made sense monetarily. Not to mention the seat-of-the-pants feel!

Still waiting on my Imp, or I'd try it myself...
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Old 04-02-2012, 12:38 PM   #302
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Has anybody tried calculating these numbers while running premium fuel?

I'd be interested to see the results. I get much better economy in my Cadillac when running premium fuel, and it made sense monetarily. Not to mention the seat-of-the-pants feel!

Still waiting on my Imp, or I'd try it myself...
I ran a single tank of premium, it didn't affect my numbers much at the time. I am going to give it another go once it gets warmer outside.

With my last car, I got another ~2 MPG from running premium. It wasn't enough to offset the extra cost though (premium is like 40 cents a gallon more than regular in my area). Still, if the car shows any improvement running premium, I will use it for long highway trips since it can reduce the number of stops.
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Old 04-02-2012, 05:10 PM   #303
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I ran a single tank of premium, it didn't affect my numbers much at the time. I am going to give it another go once it gets warmer outside.

With my last car, I got another ~2 MPG from running premium. It wasn't enough to offset the extra cost though (premium is like 40 cents a gallon more than regular in my area). Still, if the car shows any improvement running premium, I will use it for long highway trips since it can reduce the number of stops.
i wonder if it wouldn't make a difference in the long run, because of the compression ratio, IIRC 11:1 requires premium and we aren't far from it. been a long time since i considered compression ratio though. my current car is 9.4:1 and tuned to run premium because of the extreme amounts of timing on my custom tune. not sure if i will try it out on the subbie though, won't know till i get it
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Old 04-02-2012, 07:25 PM   #304
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Has anybody tried calculating these numbers while running premium fuel?

I'd be interested to see the results. I get much better economy in my Cadillac when running premium fuel, and it made sense monetarily. Not to mention the seat-of-the-pants feel!

Still waiting on my Imp, or I'd try it myself...
I got enough extra miles from my outback to make premium worth it, but the Imp doesn't get ANY more miles from it.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:16 PM   #305
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ah... I just learned this

"This is a lame and well-worn excuse. The fact is that fuel specs in Canada, unlike the US, don't change with the season."
(http://www.canadianbusiness.com/arti...tre-in-ontario)

So, no summer/winter blend for Canadian eh?!
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:35 PM   #306
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ah... I just learned this

"This is a lame and well-worn excuse. The fact is that fuel specs in Canada, unlike the US, don't change with the season."
(http://www.canadianbusiness.com/arti...tre-in-ontario)

So, no summer/winter blend for Canadian eh?!
Damn it, Vancouver's gas prices are some of the highest in the country already. So I guess my MPG is here to stay.
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:04 PM   #307
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Damn it, Vancouver's gas prices are some of the highest in the country already. So I guess my MPG is here to stay.
If it makes you feel any better, you should check out how much it costs people in America to visit the doctor
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:25 PM   #308
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Damn it, Vancouver's gas prices are some of the highest in the country already. So I guess my MPG is here to stay.
Canadian prices have always been about 25-30% more than in the US, gas is higher everywhere and it sucks for everyone! At least you get good gas, our crap ethanol blends cost us 10% in FE (when I owned a yaris I'd get 40mpg average, on a trip to calgary it was up over 45mpg calculated...for the tanks filled with Canadian gas anyway).

Also yeah, being a former Canadian, as soon as the CAD tanks and gets back to late 90s levels (if that ever happens!) I'll be moving back from the US for the sole reason of healthcare - it is a downright scary system down here.
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:55 PM   #309
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new Impreza owner here...only 30 miles (by me) on the dial, but i have already seen what thom mentioned before:

when warmed up, this car gets great mileage. for mixed driving yesterday from the dealer (with a 5 hour pause at work where it cooled down some, i'm sure), i got 32.5 mpg which sort of blew me away.

but this morning, for my commute to the train station of in town driving, i saw that mileage plummet quickly, and the 4 mi drive dropped my average to 30.6 mpg, and most of that drop occurred during the first 3 miles of my 4 mile drive.

my back of the envelope calc suggests i got a low 22 mpg for the drive this morning. and this is in a warm climate of CA where it was 49 oF outside according to the car thermometer and it was garaged overnight.

i really dont' want to try leaving the car idling in the garage to boost my fuel economy as some people have suggested, but man, the mileage is certainly going to be affected by short trips from a cold start.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:12 AM   #310
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new Impreza owner here...only 30 miles (by me) on the dial, but i have already seen what thom mentioned before:

when warmed up, this car gets great mileage. for mixed driving yesterday from the dealer (with a 5 hour pause at work where it cooled down some, i'm sure), i got 32.5 mpg which sort of blew me away.

but this morning, for my commute to the train station of in town driving, i saw that mileage plummet quickly, and the 4 mi drive dropped my average to 30.6 mpg, and most of that drop occurred during the first 3 miles of my 4 mile drive.

my back of the envelope calc suggests i got a low 22 mpg for the drive this morning. and this is in a warm climate of CA where it was 49 oF outside according to the car thermometer and it was garaged overnight.

i really dont' want to try leaving the car idling in the garage to boost my fuel economy as some people have suggested, but man, the mileage is certainly going to be affected by short trips from a cold start.
Also keep in mind that you are calculating your MPG off of a tank that is only 30 miles into it. You will see the MPGs affected more when you have less miles that it can calculate from.
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Old 04-05-2012, 02:13 AM   #311
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Also keep in mind that you are calculating your MPG off of a tank that is only 30 miles into it. You will see the MPGs affected more when you have less miles that it can calculate from.
True true. But I still saw the same phenom tonight. P,l mileage for the first few miles cold and then it ramps up.

I'll be patient wait until I have better and larger statistics to work with
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True true. But I still saw the same phenom tonight. P,l mileage for the first few miles cold and then it ramps up.

I'll be patient wait until I have better and larger statistics to work with
I sometimes see the MPG drop .6-.9 when I drive in the morning, once it warms up, I usually get it back (of course depending on how high it was initially).

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Old 04-05-2012, 12:50 PM   #313
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Hi everyone,

I just called my dealership to discuss the low MPG I am still getting with my Impreza Sport. Last weekend I drove on an extended freeway trip for the first time and while the MPG was better it was still low (about 32-33 for a 220 roundtrip on pretty flat roads, avg speed 60 mph). Better but still on the low end for a purely freeway trip. Overall though I am still looking at about 20.9 for my combined city / some highway driving (70/30) so not good at all.

When I spoke with the service guy at my dealership he told me that they are getting slammed with calls about the mpg on the 2012 Impreza. He said about 1-2 per day (which he indicated is a lot). He told me that he thinks there is an issue, even their sales guys who have the Imprezas are bringing this up (the comment was from the sales guys that the cars shifting patterns seems odd). The service guy even mentioned that there are Outbacks getting better MPG which shouldn't happen for a car that is 500 pounds more and has a bigger engine. He thinks it's an issue in the transmission and that Subaru might have to address this with a software update for the "TCM' (Transmission computer module?).

Anyway bottom line is he has an email into SOA (local rep) and asked me to call back in a week for an update.

I know some people are getting exactly the MPG that they should be getting so it may not impact all cars but clearly there seems to be a growing pool of data to suggest that something is wrong with some Imprezas.

I'll keep y'all posted
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:24 PM   #314
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i apologize: i know i read about this somewhere but my search forum skills are alluding me...

What does each "tick" mark represent on the MPG/mileage gauge under the speedometer? i know dead center is the current trip average, but is it 1 mpg per tick? more?

thanks!
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:30 PM   #315
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thanks for sharing. there does seem to be a very wide range of mileages being cited out there. i know people drive differently, but the variability is a bit larger than i should be, IMHO.

seaflipper: with your 20.9 combined, does that involve a lot of short trips/drives where the car is starting from "cold." how long is your average drive/trip?

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Hi everyone,

I just called my dealership to discuss the low MPG I am still getting with my Impreza Sport. Last weekend I drove on an extended freeway trip for the first time and while the MPG was better it was still low (about 32-33 for a 220 roundtrip on pretty flat roads, avg speed 60 mph). Better but still on the low end for a purely freeway trip. Overall though I am still looking at about 20.9 for my combined city / some highway driving (70/30) so not good at all.

When I spoke with the service guy at my dealership he told me that they are getting slammed with calls about the mpg on the 2012 Impreza. He said about 1-2 per day (which he indicated is a lot). He told me that he thinks there is an issue, even their sales guys who have the Imprezas are bringing this up (the comment was from the sales guys that the cars shifting patterns seems odd). The service guy even mentioned that there are Outbacks getting better MPG which shouldn't happen for a car that is 500 pounds more and has a bigger engine. He thinks it's an issue in the transmission and that Subaru might have to address this with a software update for the "TCM' (Transmission computer module?).

Anyway bottom line is he has an email into SOA (local rep) and asked me to call back in a week for an update.

I know some people are getting exactly the MPG that they should be getting so it may not impact all cars but clearly there seems to be a growing pool of data to suggest that something is wrong with some Imprezas.

I'll keep y'all posted
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Hi everyone,

I just called my dealership to discuss the low MPG I am still getting with my Impreza Sport. Last weekend I drove on an extended freeway trip for the first time and while the MPG was better it was still low (about 32-33 for a 220 roundtrip on pretty flat roads, avg speed 60 mph). Better but still on the low end for a purely freeway trip. Overall though I am still looking at about 20.9 for my combined city / some highway driving (70/30) so not good at all.

When I spoke with the service guy at my dealership he told me that they are getting slammed with calls about the mpg on the 2012 Impreza. He said about 1-2 per day (which he indicated is a lot). He told me that he thinks there is an issue, even their sales guys who have the Imprezas are bringing this up (the comment was from the sales guys that the cars shifting patterns seems odd). The service guy even mentioned that there are Outbacks getting better MPG which shouldn't happen for a car that is 500 pounds more and has a bigger engine. He thinks it's an issue in the transmission and that Subaru might have to address this with a software update for the "TCM' (Transmission computer module?).

Anyway bottom line is he has an email into SOA (local rep) and asked me to call back in a week for an update.

I know some people are getting exactly the MPG that they should be getting so it may not impact all cars but clearly there seems to be a growing pool of data to suggest that something is wrong with some Imprezas.

I'll keep y'all posted
Well there definitely seems to be a growing trend here. Now that winter is mostly over, people have driven further, and temps are much higher, MPGs still seem low. We are running out of excuses for people still getting low MPG.

I am driving 1200 miles over Easter weekend. My car already have 6500 miles on it so break in is over. If I don't get ~36 MPG (or above) with conservative driving, slow speeds, cruise control and long expanses of open highway, I will plan to get another car this fall. Already had my first oil change as well.

Also I am not surprised that people with the older 2.5L cars are reporting better MPGs. I can easily beat EPA number in a 2004 Outback with the ancient 2.5L EJ engine under the hood.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:47 PM   #317
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thanks for sharing. there does seem to be a very wide range of mileages being cited out there. i know people drive differently, but the variability is a bit larger than i should be, IMHO.

seaflipper: with your 20.9 combined, does that involve a lot of short trips/drives where the car is starting from "cold." how long is your average drive/trip?
I have 3 different commutes during the week. 2 days a week: 25 mile round trip that consists of city and freeway/highway (sometimes stop and go) with 2 stops. I drop off 2 kids at one school, 1 kid at another school and then drive to my office. Trip home is typically the reverse. 2 other days a week my trip is a bit shorter (12 mile round trip with the drop offs) and then 1 day a week includes the 12 mile round trip with drop offs and a 24 mile roundtrip freeway trip mid-day with no traffic.

I certainly think my commute is such that my MPG would be on the low end, I understand the cold start issue and I know city driving impacts MPG. So do I expect to get 30 combined on my partial city partial highway drive? No. But 20.9 is just not hitting it, especially since I have tried to be eco friendly - I have done a couple tanks in super conservative no lead footed ease the gas pedal, keep the eco-meter above nuetral as much as possible AND I have done one tank as a lead footed maniac not worrying about the eco-meter at all and the difference in MPG? Not much, lead footed got me .2 mpg worse than eco-friendly!
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i apologize: i know i read about this somewhere but my search forum skills are alluding me...

What does each "tick" mark represent on the MPG/mileage gauge under the speedometer? i know dead center is the current trip average, but is it 1 mpg per tick? more?

thanks!
By watching between the analog dial and the current digital MPG readout, I'd say each tick up/down represents 5 or 6 mpg - towards the top and bottom of the scale it gets skewed though (i.e. when the needle is buried at either end, for instance at the top the digital readout will say 99.9mpg
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Old 04-05-2012, 03:14 PM   #319
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Well there definitely seems to be a growing trend here. Now that winter is mostly over, people have driven further, and temps are much higher, MPGs still seem low. We are running out of excuses for people still getting low MPG.

I am driving 1200 miles over Easter weekend. My car already have 6500 miles on it so break in is over. If I don't get ~36 MPG (or above) with conservative driving, slow speeds, cruise control and long expanses of open highway, I will plan to get another car this fall. Already had my first oil change as well.

Also I am not surprised that people with the older 2.5L cars are reporting better MPGs. I can easily beat EPA number in a 2004 Outback with the ancient 2.5L EJ engine under the hood.
almost 10k on my HB limited....and I dont think you will see 36 on the Hwy....my quess is somewhere around 31-33 at best overall...I havent seen any extended trips yet.....but on my 103 mile roundtrip commute on mostly Hwy.....60-70 MPH.....Im consistently averaging around 31 MPG per tank now.......

If you drive 55-60......all flat highway.......you may see mid 30s is my guess......let us know how you do......for me the car fits the bill.....and Im very happy with my MPG as Im up from averaging around 26 in my 04 Chevy with 200K on it......also have an 11 Outback Prem.....but I get around 26-28 average on it......but MPGs was secondary to me.....with AWD the primary reason for purchase...
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almost 10k on my HB limited....and I dont think you will see 36 on the Hwy....my quess is somewhere around 31-33 at best overall...I havent seen any extended trips yet.....but on my 103 mile roundtrip commute on mostly Hwy.....60-70 MPH.....Im consistently averaging around 31 MPG per tank now.......

If you drive 55-60......all flat highway.......you may see mid 30s is my guess......let us know how you do......for me the car fits the bill.....and Im very happy with my MPG as Im up from averaging around 26 in my 04 Chevy with 200K on it......also have an 11 Outback Prem.....but I get around 26-28 average on it......but MPGs was secondary to me.....with AWD the primary reason for purchase...
Well I hope you are wrong, however those hopes are not very high right now. If ~36 MPG is not achievable in optimal conditions on a long highway trip at reasonable speeds, Subaru should reconsider what they are putting on the window sticker. 36 MPG is supposed to be the estimated average, not the "perfect conditions, downhill, with a tailwind" MPG

The car I had before the Impreza was larger, more powerful, drove better, and could easily do low to mid 30s for MPG on long trips. That was rated 30 MPG HWY. The 36 MPG + AWD sold me on the Impreza.

I will post up something when I get back from my trip.
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I realize what your expectations are..but also realize that its EPA testing standards that established the MPG range not necessarily Subaru.....with emphasis on the word range......I would bet at this point based on your expectations above that you will be trading the Impreza in the fall......

for me it meets my expectation.....is my daily driver...but at the same time is the third car sitting in the garage along with the 11 Outback and an 09 Cadillac CTS.....so my MPG range varies greatly between the three vehicles......I can get 30 MPG in my V-6 CTS on some extended hwy trips over 400 miles, however since its rear wheel drive....its lousy in even the smallest amount of snow...thus my other two AWD vehicles......the outback is my wifes daily driver.....
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I realize what your expectations are..but also realize that its EPA testing standards that established the MPG range not necessarily Subaru.....with emphasis on the word range......I would bet at this point based on your expectations above that you will be trading the Impreza in the fall......

for me it meets my expectation.....is my daily driver...but at the same time is the third car sitting in the garage along with the 11 Outback and an 09 Cadillac CTS.....so my MPG range varies greatly between the three vehicles......I can get 30 MPG in my V-6 CTS on some extended hwy trips over 400 miles, however since its rear wheel drive....its lousy in even the smallest amount of snow...thus my other two AWD vehicles......the outback is my wifes daily driver.....
I would not disagree that EPA numbers determination could use some improvement. Very frustrating when a lot of cars can easily beat the number with gentle driving, and others (like our 2012 Impreza) struggle to get close to the numbers. Still, at the end of the day, Subaru sticks this number on the car and then advertises it heavily, so it should be achievable in decent conditions.

When I trade my car in, I would be getting a Legacy, with a 6 speed. I don't think the MPG hit is nearly as severe as the window stickers would lead people to believe, and I would much rather have the bigger car.
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TRIPA:
avg mph: 22
avg mpg: 27.9
miles: 334
Calculated MPG: 26.1

TRIPB:
avg mph: 25
avg mpg: 28.5
odo: 1742
http://www.fuelly.com/driver/hemophilic/impreza

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I just finished a roadtrip of Philly to Detroit. Calculated MPG of 26. Spent most of the trip at 70-85 MPH bouncing between 5th and 6th on the CVT.
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Old 04-05-2012, 09:03 PM   #325
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i just went to go get gas, drove 1.6 miles with one stop light, average speed 20 mph and average mpg was 43.5

edit: drove 5 more city miles and did 35.XX mpg

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