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Old 02-08-2013, 01:06 PM   #3276
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Does anyone know, following these rules, is it possible to get similair numbers in a 2011 impreza? I would suspect you would get close.

No need to guess:

~23 mpg



2011 Impreza: http://www.fuelly.com/car/subaru/impreza/2011




~27.6 mpg



2012 Impreza: http://www.fuelly.com/car/subaru/impreza/2012

Have to make the basic assumption that there is a similar proportion of auto vs manuals as well as a similar distribution of driver characteristics (mostly urban driving vs highway driving as well as those that are more spirited drivers vs more sedate). But in general, it is safe to assume that the 2012 Impreza does actually do better with fuel economy than the 2011. If you put the same driver in the two cars with the same drive. Don't see how the changes with the 2012 wouldn't lead to increased fuel economy. It isn't voodoo after all.
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:49 PM   #3277
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2013 Impreza sport (auto)
full tank --> empty
avg mpg 27
50% city 50% highway

I have to drive like an old lady (cant go 70) in order to keep up the average. Never seen it go above 32...it seems impossible to get anywhere near 36 unless you reset in the middle of 60mph highway driving.

I bought the 2013 and gave my wife the 2008 (auto). I miss my 08' I drove it like a maniac and accelerated hard at any stop. It averages 25mpg on the same commute.

2013 is a huge disappointment for me. I was at least expecting to average 30mpg. MPG is crap, less power, not as fun to drive as the 08. Not to mention the strange fan clicking noise it makes at low RPMs. Sounds like there are baseball cards taped to the spokes driving at 25mph...
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:50 PM   #3278
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2013 Impreza sport (auto)
full tank --> empty
avg mpg 27
50% city 50% highway

I have to drive like an old lady (cant go 70) in order to keep up the average. Never seen it go above 32...it seems impossible to get anywhere near 36 unless you reset in the middle of 60mph highway driving.

I bought the 2013 and gave my wife the 2008 (auto). I miss my 08' I drove it like a maniac and accelerated hard at any stop. It averages 25mpg on the same commute.

2013 is a huge disappointment for me. I was at least expecting to average 30mpg. MPG is crap, less power, not as fun to drive as the 08. Not to mention the strange fan clicking noise it makes at low RPMs. Sounds like there are baseball cards taped to the spokes driving at 25mph...
Finally!! Thank you so much for your post. You basically stated everything I have been saying and complaining about my cvt car. I know many of you love the impreza, I finally drove it in the snow today and it performed very well. But as a daily driver the CVT MPG advertisement on this car is the biggest bunch of crap, it's a flat out lie!!! and a huge disappointment for me as well. Pisses me off!! Now the rebuttles will fly, but who cares.. I knew I was not the only one.
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:01 PM   #3279
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Finally!! Thank you so much for your post. You basically stated everything I have been saying and complaining about my cvt car. I know many of you love the impreza, I finally drove it in the snow today and it performed very well. But as a daily driver the CVT MPG advertisement on this car is the biggest bunch of crap, it's a flat out lie!!! and a huge disappointment for me as well. Pisses me off!! Now the rebuttles will fly, but who cares.. I knew I was not the only one.
The CVT mileage is crap!! I own a 2012 impreza manual...while I was getting my engine replaced for a month and a half I was given 2013 impreza CVT as a loaner vehicle from Subaru. I finally have my 12 back and I can say that the CVT was worse on gas then my 5M. Maybe I didn't drive it properly but the CVT tranny is trash compared to the manual...worse on gas, fake shifting paddle shifters?? Wtf...so happy with the 5 speed!
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Old 02-08-2013, 11:40 PM   #3280
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The CVT mileage is crap!! I own a 2012 impreza manual...while I was getting my engine replaced for a month and a half I was given 2013 impreza CVT as a loaner vehicle from Subaru. I finally have my 12 back and I can say that the CVT was worse on gas then my 5M. Maybe I didn't drive it properly but the CVT tranny is trash compared to the manual...worse on gas, fake shifting paddle shifters?? Wtf...so happy with the 5 speed!
Agree with all that has been said against the cvt. My 2012 cvt sport continues to disappoint when it comes to fuel economy. Our last tank calculated out to be 19.5 mpg. This is the 9th car I've owned and never have I been this far off of the epa estimates.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:19 AM   #3281
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My 2013 Sport Limited (With CVT) is doing quite alright!


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Old 02-09-2013, 02:23 AM   #3282
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I was hoping that my cvt would do a lot better with ethanol free gas. I found a gas station that sold it and filled up my two commuter cars a couple of times to get rid of almost all of the ethanol. There is a bad hill on my commute, one that I used to be able to climb on cruise control all the way without it kicking out on my 5sp Corolla that is rated (post 2008), coincidentally, at 36 mpg highway. Well, the Corolla is getting old - 10 years, over 200k miles, and it hasn't climbed that hill all the way in cruise control in years. Well, it did two days in a row on pure gas. Plus, my mpg's on my commute went up about 4 mpg. So I tried the Impreza. Maybe a couple of mpg's (cruise control same speed as the Corolla all the way) improvement. However, what was an 8 mpg difference turned into a 10 mpg difference. Above 36 mpg in the Corolla to well below that in the Impreza, driving with traffic.

I guess if you're okay with getting ripped off it's okay...
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:46 AM   #3283
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I was hoping that my cvt would do a lot better with ethanol free gas. I found a gas station that sold it and filled up my two commuter cars a couple of times to get rid of almost all of the ethanol. There is a bad hill on my commute, one that I used to be able to climb on cruise control all the way without it kicking out on my 5sp Corolla that is rated (post 2008), coincidentally, at 36 mpg highway. Well, the Corolla is getting old - 10 years, over 200k miles, and it hasn't climbed that hill all the way in cruise control in years. Well, it did two days in a row on pure gas. Plus, my mpg's on my commute went up about 4 mpg. So I tried the Impreza. Maybe a couple of mpg's (cruise control same speed as the Corolla all the way) improvement. However, what was an 8 mpg difference turned into a 10 mpg difference. Above 36 mpg in the Corolla to well below that in the Impreza, driving with traffic.

I guess if you're okay with getting ripped off it's okay...
so sell the car and quit bitching about it. many of the new vehicles don't achieve fantasy land(EPA) rated estimates. then you can go to a new forum and annoy the hell out of those people.
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:50 AM   #3284
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so sell the car and quit bitching about it. many of the new vehicles don't achieve fantasy land(EPA) rated estimates. then you can go to a new forum and annoy the hell out of those people.
Since you don't even *have* a cvt why are you even here? You can call it fantasyland if you want, but you are ignoring reality, as I already described.
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:52 AM   #3285
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I think the best test will be to try the ethanol-free gas in the summer time. Even the E0 gas is the winter blend right now, and the cold outdoor temps require extra time to warm the engine.
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:23 AM   #3286
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Since you don't even *have* a cvt why are you even here? You can call it fantasyland if you want, but you are ignoring reality, as I already described.
because the thread title says MPG thread, not CVT MPG thread
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:24 AM   #3287
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I think the best test will be to try the ethanol-free gas in the summer time. Even the E0 gas is the winter blend right now, and the cold outdoor temps require extra time to warm the engine.
and even without ethanol winter blend has up to 20% less energy potential of summer gas
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:16 PM   #3288
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:57 PM   #3289
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and even without ethanol winter blend has up to 20% less energy potential of summer gas
20%? Where do you get this stuff? I would say the average is less than 2%, or about half of one mpg.
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Old 02-09-2013, 01:12 PM   #3290
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so is it just me or does everyone think we should have an mma fight?
stevehnm vs flyboy1100
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Old 02-09-2013, 02:04 PM   #3291
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20%? Where do you get this stuff? I would say the average is less than 2%, or about half of one mpg.
well when my mpg has dropped from an average of 30 on my normal commute to 25, you are good at math you figure it out. although, i will admit 20% due to fuel alone would be difficult unless it was really watered down.

here is a good page on various things that affect mpg http://www.towerautomotiveinc.com/wh...eage-the-most/
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:09 PM   #3292
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I could believe that all things considered your mpg's dropped from 30 to 25, but several things would have to affect it. On that page, for one, he says that cooler temperatures make air denser so there is more oxygen to burn - that definitely does not affect today's engines nearly as much as it used to, or as much as the increased wind resistance either. Engines will simply not feed as much gasoline to less dense air. While it was true back in the days of carburetors, engines these days compensate for elevation and temperature so get better mpg's when warmer and higher (to a point) because of decreased wind resistance. So I would tend to discount what he says, except the ranges in his effects are so wide it would be hard to disprove him. I think air density could vary by almost 10% in ND because of the extreme temperature variations, and wind resistance is a huge factor depending on the aerodynamics of the vehicle. Then tire pressure plays a big role, and the same 10% difference in density at different temperatures would decrease the tire pressure in winter, leading to increased road friction depending on your starting point - less from say 45 to 36 psi than 35 to 28 psi in our tires - although that increased footprint would be a huge safety factor increase on snowy roads. I always run my tires a little lower psi in the winter. Based on the higher end of the approximations, added to the increase in resistance of oil in the transmission and differentials, I would definitely believe you could get a reduction from 30 to 25 mpg from summer to winter in ND.
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Old 02-09-2013, 03:16 PM   #3293
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Just had my worst tank yet. 100% city. Very cold weather. Maybe a bit too much right pedal. 23.2 MPG. Ouch...
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Old 02-09-2013, 06:53 PM   #3294
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Same here. Cold and snow, which meant I used more right foot. Overall I'm still getting great mileage. Cvt



That's about 12% hwy vs 88% city on almost 9000km

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Old 02-09-2013, 08:18 PM   #3295
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Penguin: does your province have a "minimum ethanol content" mandate? Just curious.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:37 PM   #3296
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Penguin: does your province have a "minimum ethanol content" mandate? Just curious.
I believe so. I know the max is 10 and I think the min is 4.
Edit: its 5 minimum
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8.5 is still pretty darn good, even with 88% city traffic. I don't know which province you're in, but there must not be as many stop-and-go situations where you're at, unlike here in the Greater Vancouver area. I'm usually fighting with the crowds heading downtown and to the University (first and second most travelled commuter destinations here, respectively), so my average speed - including idling at red lights and all the crazy stop-and-slow-and-go stuff - is in the low 30's (km/hr), if not in the mid 20's. I'm generally in the 10.1 to 9.5 l/100km range, including the occasional late-night highway run (just for fun).
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Old 02-10-2013, 10:31 AM   #3298
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My daughter drives this car almost exclusively...back and forth to school and around town. About 40-50 miles per day. Virtually all city driving. I just checked the mileage yesterday...calculated 28.6 mpg. The car currently has 3200 miles on it and is running Toyota 0W20 SN motor oil. The worst mileage she has ever recorded (all calculated) was 26.5. The car has not consumed any oil...drained the factory fill at 1500 miles and put in the Toyota oil with the Toyo-Roki filter. Tire pressures are 34 F and 32 R cold and I check them every week. I live in South Carolina and it doesn't really get cold here as others have experienced...the coldest it's been here has been mid-20's a few times. She seems to have a handle on how to drive this with the CVT. She comments that as the RPM rises to about 2500 she lessens the pressure on the gas pedal and she feels it "shift"...RPM will drop to 1800 or so and continues to do that with each gear change.

I guess at this point I'm just fortunate.
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My daughter drives this car almost exclusively...back and forth to school and around town. About 40-50 miles per day. Virtually all city driving. I just checked the mileage yesterday...calculated 28.6 mpg. The car currently has 3200 miles on it and is running Toyota 0W20 SN motor oil. The worst mileage she has ever recorded (all calculated) was 26.5. The car has not consumed any oil...drained the factory fill at 1500 miles and put in the Toyota oil with the Toyo-Roki filter. Tire pressures are 34 F and 32 R cold and I check them every week. I live in South Carolina and it doesn't really get cold here as others have experienced...the coldest it's been here has been mid-20's a few times. She seems to have a handle on how to drive this with the CVT. She comments that as the RPM rises to about 2500 she lessens the pressure on the gas pedal and she feels it "shift"...RPM will drop to 1800 or so and continues to do that with each gear change.

I guess at this point I'm just fortunate.
No, sounds about right for warmer weather and a lighter foot on the pedal.

But didn't anyone tell you yet that this forum is only for CVT's that produce low MPG's?
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LOL...yeah, I forgot! If I was truly getting 20 or 21 mpg...I'd be mad about it to. I had a 2009 Civic Si...6-speed..never got worse than 27 mpg with that and I drove it pretty hard. Used Redline 5W30 in it..never used more than .5 quart in 5,000 miles. On the Civic forum, there were folks complaining about the oil consumption there to..better than a quart of consumption in less than 3000 miles. Some people were getting mid-20's for MPG. Those engines have "loose" oil rings to allow it to buzz to 8200 RPM. I must admit that the break-in was old school, "drive it like ya stole it".
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