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Old 03-03-2013, 07:12 PM   #3551
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Sorry you 5 speed owners are tired of hearing about this, but it's costing us CVT owners several times more than putting a quart of oil in every thousand miles.
Speak for yourself!!!! I've said this a thousand times on here, I have a cvt and am happy and do not have to add oil either! Complaining on a forum and beating a horse that's been dead for over a year isn't getting you anywhere. Go do something about it if you're that unhappy!
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Old 03-03-2013, 07:49 PM   #3552
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I just completed a trip from Rochester,NY to/from Eagle Bay/Old Forge in the Adirondacks. I averaged 33 MPG as displayed on the dash (not hand calculated). This included a lot of hilly driving and short trips on Friday and Saturday.

I'm satisfied with that.
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Old 03-03-2013, 07:56 PM   #3553
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^^ On winter gas, somewhat cold weather and speeds (most likely) over 65 mph that's not bad at all IMHO.

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But with that logic two different drivers with the same exact Subaru Impreza model may get different mileage?

Inconceivable.
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I don't know, if I can get 9/10 mpg below EPA combined estimate with the type of driving I do why can't the rest of you
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Old 03-03-2013, 11:25 PM   #3554
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Speak for yourself!!!! I've said this a thousand times on here, I have a cvt and am happy
I'm happy for you, although are you sure this is not a case of "ignorance is bliss"?

My realization of the CVT MPG problem was hinted at with my first few tanks, comparing my mpg with another identically rated vehicle. However, that is only anecdotal evidence, as is your happiness.

I soon progressed, with the help of Flyboy, to comparing real world mpg via Consumer Reports' standardized testing, with Subaru's claimed EPA rated MPG. I have since confirmed, with many people here, that there is a distinct difference in real world mpg compared to EPA ratings of the Impreza vs. the same information on other cars, especially since the other cars are so consistently grouped together. I plan to put 200,000 miles on my Impreza, and at $5 a gallon - the likely average price over the next few years, that will amount to (from 36 to 30mpg) over $5,000. Now if you are happy with taking a $5,000 dollar hit in the shorts, that's up to you.

I don't know what it will take to get the EPA to check Subaru out, but I assure you, this is no "dead horse".
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Old 03-03-2013, 11:52 PM   #3555
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I'm happy for you, although are you sure this is not a case of "ignorance is bliss"?

My realization of the CVT MPG problem was hinted at with my first few tanks, comparing my mpg with another identically rated vehicle. However, that is only anecdotal evidence, as is your happiness.

I soon progressed, with the help of Flyboy, to comparing real world mpg via Consumer Reports' standardized testing, with Subaru's claimed EPA rated MPG. I have since confirmed, with many people here, that there is a distinct difference in real world mpg compared to EPA ratings of the Impreza vs. the same information on other cars, especially since the other cars are so consistently grouped together. I plan to put 200,000 miles on my Impreza, and at $5 a gallon - the likely average price over the next few years, that will amount to (from 36 to 30mpg) over $5,000. Now if you are happy with taking a $5,000 dollar hit in the shorts, that's up to you.

I don't know what it will take to get the EPA to check Subaru out, but I assure you, this is no "dead horse".
Yes, I am sure this is not ignorance is bliss. I've hand calculated my mpg's as well, many times, and finally stopped because it's always relatively the same, as is my driving so that makes sense. NO, I am not getting 36mpg, BUT, I routinely get over 400 miles to a tank. I did not purchase the car thinking "yay, now I'll save on fuel because I'll get 36mpg like the window sticker says." I drive my cars the way I want/need to drive, not how the EPA standard tests are, or any other "testing" so I NEVER get advertised MPG ESTIMATES (key word here) The only time I've ever come close was in my 2011 Jetta TDI, and I got rid of that car to get this car.

I don't know where you're buying gas at $5/gallon, but out here, it's nowhere near that price. In fact, I have family in San Diego that pay less than that, so.......????

Using your numbers of 30 and 36 (you say you get 30 and EPA estimates are 36), would it REALLY make you feel that much better if you got an extra 87 miles to a tank?? Would that really satisfy you to say, OK, now I love this car and I'll let Subaru off the hook. And that 87 miles is only if you let your tank run dry every time!

So, like I've said, the topic is a dead horse, and frankly, I've heard enough of it. If you don't have a readily available solution, then be quiet about it. Typing on this forum, I can promise you, will not solve your lack of 87 mile range on your Impreza.
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:02 AM   #3556
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I don't know where you're buying gas at $5/gallon, but out here, it's nowhere near that price. In fact, I have family in San Diego that pay less than that, so.......????

Using your numbers of 30 and 36 (you say you get 30 and EPA estimates are 36), would it REALLY make you feel that much better if you got an extra 87 miles to a tank??

So, like I've said, the topic is a dead horse, and frankly, I've heard enough of it. If you don't have a readily available solution, then be quiet about it. Typing on this forum, I can promise you, will not solve your lack of 87 mile range on your Impreza.
You missed the concept of $5 per gallon I think that will be the average price by the time I get 200,000 miles on it.

And yes, 87 miles per tank for over 400 tanks makes a difference, even if you are too shortsighted to see it.

So, I do have a solution. If you don't like what I'm posting, put me on ignore
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:04 AM   #3557
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I'm happy for you, although are you sure this is not a case of "ignorance is bliss"?

My realization of the CVT MPG problem was hinted at with my first few tanks, comparing my mpg with another identically rated vehicle. However, that is only anecdotal evidence, as is your happiness.

I soon progressed, with the help of Flyboy, to comparing real world mpg via Consumer Reports' standardized testing, with Subaru's claimed EPA rated MPG. I have since confirmed, with many people here, that there is a distinct difference in real world mpg compared to EPA ratings of the Impreza vs. the same information on other cars, especially since the other cars are so consistently grouped together. I plan to put 200,000 miles on my Impreza, and at $5 a gallon - the likely average price over the next few years, that will amount to (from 36 to 30mpg) over $5,000. Now if you are happy with taking a $5,000 dollar hit in the shorts, that's up to you.

I don't know what it will take to get the EPA to check Subaru out, but I assure you, this is no "dead horse".
I wonder how Myrt is able to consistently post such impressive MPG numbers. And his car has the CVT, right?
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:38 AM   #3558
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So far this winter my avg has been 28 mpg and that's with cvt, winter gas and winter tires. Can't wait summer to be back so i can get mid to high 30 mpg!
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:56 AM   #3559
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Same argument repeated, ad nauseam. But no complaint filed yet, right?

Sounds like a dead horse to me.

Consumer Reports recommends the car and has repeatedly praised its excellent fuel economy for an AWD platform (they have the CVT as a long term test car). I hope that footnote is included with his spreadsheets (using CR data) when he complains to the EPA.

He should also note that his major disappointment is that the car does not yield the EPA highway number at speeds exceeding 70mph.

But since he isn't going to file a complaint, it is just bleating at this point.
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:48 AM   #3560
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Did someone say beating horses in New Mexico ?



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Old 03-04-2013, 10:11 AM   #3561
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Drove up to Scranton, PA on 476. 138 miles each way. Averaged 27 mpg on the dash doing 70 mph most of the way up. Did the same on the way back, and the dash said 30 mpg when I got home. My bad math says that I did 6 mpg better on the way back. Going uphill sucks, but it can't be more than a 1500 ft elevation change over the distance.
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:45 PM   #3562
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I wonder how Myrt is able to consistently post such impressive MPG numbers. And his car has the CVT, right?
Same for me...I by no means drive "easy" or try to get good miles, I just drive what is normal for me and I always get good mileage.
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:01 PM   #3563
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Same for me...I by no means drive "easy" or try to get good miles, I just drive what is normal for me and I always get good mileage.
I'm happy with my mileage, too, but I have the manual tranny in my car, which is not the configuration that's generating all the fuss.

Jsteg, I'm sure you've told me what tranny you have, but I don't recall. CVT?
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:14 PM   #3564
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I'm happy with my mileage, too, but I have the manual tranny in my car, which is not the configuration that's generating all the fuss.

Jsteg, I'm sure you've told me what tranny you have, but I don't recall. CVT?

<-----------Yeah, I got the limited so I've got the CVT. I have no complaints at all.
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:29 PM   #3565
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<-----------Yeah, I got the limited so I've got the CVT. I have no complaints at all.
That's right. Sorry, I should have been able to figure that out myself.
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:37 PM   #3566
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Consumer Reports long term test vehicle, that apparently burns oil, and gets "excellent MPG's for an AWD vehicle", returning a combined MPG of 27 mpg, is also a CVT.

But they don't seem concerned, they continued recommending it this year.

Here they compare it to the previously recommended FWD Elantra, that gets ONLY 29 mpg overall, so apparently they don't feel alarmed about the Impreza's fuel consumption relative to the EPA claims:

http://news.consumerreports.org/cars...u-impreza.html

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Old 03-04-2013, 02:45 PM   #3567
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I wonder how Myrt is able to consistently post such impressive MPG numbers. And his car has the CVT, right?
I just drive and accelerate slow. Long commute to work down a 55mph road. my tires are probably a couple psi over spec.

Coming up on one year of ownership, i didnt think id be the only person at this end of the spectrum.
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I just drive and accelerate slow. Long commute to work down a 55mph road. my tires are probably a couple psi over spec.

Coming up on one year of ownership, i didnt think id be the only person at this end of the spectrum.
On Fuelly, with 1.7 million miles tracked/217 cars, the overall combined is 27.5 mpg.

But there are cars on both ends of that spectrum, you are not alone!

http://www.fuelly.com/car/subaru/impreza/2012
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On Fuelly, with 1.7 million miles tracked/217 cars, the overall combined is 27.5 mpg.

But there are cars on both ends of that spectrum, you are not alone!

http://www.fuelly.com/car/subaru/impreza/2012
Lol, well i meant on the forum. Thats a good point though, no one wants to be a statistical anomaly.
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Lol, well i meant on the forum. Thats a good point though, no one wants to be a statistical anomaly.
That's certainly not true. For example, I'm sure the baby in the news that is cured of AIDS is very happy to be a statistical anomaly.
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I guess i didnt think that through. lol I stand corrected.
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That's right. Sorry, I should have been able to figure that out myself.
Eh no worries man!
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How about we actually compare 'comparable' cars, instead of using the best-mpg front-wheel-drive eco cars, hmmm?

Best ever mileage on a trip, calculated, 2000 Subaru Outback 2.5L 5MT, on a 60 mile highway trip in the summer: 28 mpg.

Best ever mileage on a trip, calculated, 2006 Audi A4 Avant 2.0L 6AT on a 60 mile highway trip in the summer: 29.5 mpg.

Typical WINTER full-tank mileage driving back and forth to work in 2012 Imp CVT: 28 mpg.

Oh, BTW, the best full-tank mileage in my first year of owning the Imp: 37 mpg.
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Oh, BTW, the best full-tank mileage in my first year of owning the Imp: 37 mpg.
Nice. The best tank I've gotten is 34.5 MPG, but I expect better this summer now that I've switched to E0 gas.
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A few anecdotes do not overrule the consistency that has made Consumer Reports successful. As for Myrt, I can get over 40 mpg myself by holding my speed to under 55, no stops, no hills - and, he drives "slowly" besides that. That does not mean "36 mpg" is a valid highway mpg according to the EPA procedure.

As far as filing a complaint, I have in fact done that, but the more complaints the better. If the EPA investigated every single complaint they received they would be very busy indeed.

The more complaints the better, so hopefully others with the CVT who get mpg's consistent with Consumer Reports that are truly outliers will continue to come forward (and there are many more of them than the two or possibly three here who are happy and appear to be struggling with cases of post-purchase rationalization.

The vast majority of comments here in the past couple of days in fact come from hecklers in the peanut gallery who are most definitely unqualified to nip at the heels of honest CVT commenters because *they don't even have one*.

Which means this is far from a dead horse.
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