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Old 03-07-2013, 01:44 PM   #3651
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spdrcr5, what tire pressures are you running? Are you using the A/C or defroster?
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Old 03-07-2013, 01:59 PM   #3652
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try pulling bat and relearning fuel trim, as I mentioned.

uncle scottys way
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...59&postcount=2


my abridged version, I would say try uncle scotty's first:

To reprogram computer remove battery connectors depress brake pedal once. wait 5mins
then Turn key and let instrument panel light up, wait a bit so pump primes then turn over car, do not stop turn over the car and hold the key in place until it starts. This
boots up the computer correctly. Let car run for 20 mins then turn on a/c for
5 mins and let it continue running. Fuel trims will then be saved.
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Old 03-07-2013, 02:53 PM   #3653
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Spdrcr5 seems like a troll...


your name implies you like racing, maybe tone down the led foot and look for better mpg that way, before complaining about mpg. your data for avg mpg seems like bs, as I can get 19mpg in my wrx with a semi heavy led foot. if you're truly getting low 19-20, please watch your foot seems like your putting it in sport shift and intentionally bringing to redline at each stop.

if I try a semi lead foot in the 2012 2.0I, I still avg 22mpg.....



btw what's the point of complaining, you bought a car that isn't a hybrid vehicle. if you're looking for mpg, you were looking at the wrong car in the first place.
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:50 PM   #3654
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Spdrcr5 seems like a troll...


your name implies you like racing, maybe tone down the led foot and look for better mpg that way, before complaining about mpg. your data for avg mpg seems like bs, as I can get 19mpg in my wrx with a semi heavy led foot. if you're truly getting low 19-20, please watch your foot seems like your putting it in sport shift and intentionally bringing to redline at each stop.

if I try a semi lead foot in the 2012 2.0I, I still avg 22mpg.....



btw what's the point of complaining, you bought a car that isn't a hybrid vehicle. if you're looking for mpg, you were looking at the wrong car in the first place.
Call me optimistic, but I wouldn't assume Spdrcr5 is a troll based on his profile name. He sounds knowledgeable, and he sounds like he has real data. I think it's silly to tell people that if they're unhappy with the Impreza's fuel economy, then they should have bought a Prius. That's silly. There's a difference between someone hoping to get 35 MPG of mostly highway driving and getting 32 MPG vs. someone hoping to get 35 MPG of mostly highway driving and getting 21 MPG. That would upset me too.

So rather than accusing him of being a troll who doesn't know what he's talking about and that he doesn't know how to drive for efficiency, I'm going to assume that there's a problem with his car.

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Old 03-07-2013, 03:55 PM   #3655
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Spdrcr5 seems like a troll...



btw what's the point of complaining, you bought a car that isn't a hybrid vehicle. if you're looking for mpg, you were looking at the wrong car in the first place.
Shut up.. just shut the hell up you misguided chimp..

He(like others) may have bought the damn car based on advertised MPG's. Hybrid or not... They were CLEARLY advertised as such and that is what may have fueled the purchase. So you're saying he shouldn't have expected those numbers not ONLY because the car isn't a hybrid but because he should have been able to determine that this car wouldn't meet his expectations before buying it?

Find a cliff or swallow acid. You have no clue how ridiculous you sound...
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:01 PM   #3656
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Call me optimistic, but I wouldn't assume Spdrcr5 is a troll based on his profile name. He sounds knowledgeable, and he sounds like he as real data. I think it's silly to tell people that if they're unhappy with the Impreza's fuel economy, then they should have bought a Prius. That's silly. There's a difference between someone hoping to get 35 MPG of mostly highway driving and getting 32 MPG vs. someone hoping to get 35 MPG of mostly highway driving and getting 21 MPG. That would upset me too.

So rather than accusing him of being a troll who doesn't know what he's talking about and that he doesn't know how to drive for efficiency, I'm going to assume that there's a problem with his car.
I agree that post was a little misguided, especially since it is his wife who is driving the car, not him. My advice is simple, switch cars for a week and see if you get better MPG's out of her car than she does.

Someone here has already as much admitted that his son gets much worse mileage driving his car than he does. The Impreza seems less forgiving than some other cars of certain conditions, including (among others, all discuseed ad nauseum previously) short commutes with a cold engine, high speed driving, and a lead foot -- but it certainly isn't the only car that is affected by these things.

If the car is truly the source of your woes, the good news is it can probably be fixed once the problem is identified. Keep in mind that the majority of Impreza owners are pulling much better MPG's from their cars, at least half of the mileage tracked on Fuelly is over 27.5 combined mpg.

Oh and before you trade it do a little math first, the depreciation loss on the car won't be paid for by the fuel savings of whatever vehicle you replace it with any time soon, or at least that is usually the case. It is probably cheaper for you to just drive it, and do the driver switch to see if you can pull better mpgs out of it before you blame the car.

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Old 03-07-2013, 04:03 PM   #3657
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I sense an anger in the force, no need to get bent out of shapes gents ie NO NEED TO BE MAD BRO. I am certain we can all communicate without name calling
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:05 PM   #3658
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Shut up.. just shut the hell up you misguided chimp..

Find a cliff or swallow acid. You have no clue how ridiculous you sound...
I agree that outbackdream's statement were inappropriate an misguided. But on the VW TDI forum I used to participate on regularly, statements like yours above would get you banned for 1 week on the first offense, and longer for repeat offenses.

Just saying....
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:24 PM   #3659
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Just a curiosity. Who in here has a hatch with the larger roof spoiler option or cross bars? How is your mileage? Maybe these are major variables.

My wife has the spoiler but no cross bars. On winter tires and gas she get about 24-25 city and 31-32 highway.
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:30 PM   #3660
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When I have my roof rack on, it kills my MPGs by about 3-4.
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:30 PM   #3661
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So you're saying he shouldn't have expected those numbers
What he should have expected were the numbers indicated as "expected range for most drivers"

What a concept huh???

I agree with sgoldste....if you're getting anywhere in the 30's, you should be happy you fall within the expected range so if it's to be expected, why is it a problem??

However, if you're getting 22-25 even with mostly highway, I also agree that is a problem. Be it your driving or the car, SOMETHING in that picture isn't right!
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Old 03-07-2013, 05:50 PM   #3662
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I agree that outbackdream's statement were inappropriate an misguided. But on the VW TDI forum I used to participate on regularly, statements like yours above would get you banned for 1 week on the first offense, and longer for repeat offenses.

Just saying....
Fair enough... I am clearly out of line for that but seriously..

His only argument here is "this car isn't a hybrid so you shouldn't have expected good gas mileage to begin with". Are you kidding me? I'm too linear and logical to accept such nonsense... Not everyone wants to get 50 million mpg's maybe "fuel efficient" awd was what they wanted. I will be the first one to say maybe my expectations of this car were lofty. This is my first AWD car. and I'm coming from mashing down FWD's and still getting acceptable fuel economy but there is still no need for "Why the hell did you get this car if you wanted good fuel economy" or any statements that fall along that line, not for this car..

@Jsteg

If you are averaging 30.. then honestly there shouldn't be any complaints.. however many of those here who are complaining aren't getting 30.. heck from the looks of it they aren't even getting 25... and that is the issue.

As stated earlier I am getting 26 avg and in the grand scheme of things I am fine with that. But I can understand anyones frustrations with getting less especially those who are getting the same mpg's or less than per se cars they replaced this car with and even more so if fuel economy was a major factor in this cars purchase. And the last thing they need is some fool spewing unrelated nonsense that helps in no way shape or form or isn't even substantiated with sensible facts...
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:07 PM   #3663
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@Jsteg

If you are averaging 30.. then honestly there shouldn't be any complaints.. however many of those here who are complaining aren't getting 30.. heck from the looks of it they aren't even getting 25... and that is the issue.

As stated earlier I am getting 26 avg and in the grand scheme of things I am fine with that. But I can understand anyones frustrations with getting less
I'm with ya! I agree with this!

Don't let my posts fool ya I'm just like you. I've never gotten 36 after 15k miles on the car. But I do average 32-33 sometimes 30-31 depending on how I drive or how much in town driving I do and I also am perfectly fine with that because I don't expect to drive how and were I do and achieve greatness with mpg numbers. If I was worried about mpg's alone I would have kept my TDI.....whole 'nother story though!
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:30 PM   #3664
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I am sticking at 27.64 mpg combined, and my overall average declined this winter after I put on snow tires.

But I expected that, as well as slightly lower numbers when winter came. The fact that I am fearless in the snow with my car makes up for that small decline.

I know if I drive on the highway, at 65mph, I will see 30+, and mid 30's in the summer.

The fact that I don't take highway trips often does not make me bewildered that my overall average mpg isn't higher. The type of driving I do definately shows up in the type of MPG my car returns.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:46 PM   #3665
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Add .2 miles for every 10 miles driven due to 17" wheels (calculated over 80 miles with mileage markers).
Always calculate MPG at the pump (not the computer).
I broke 30 MPG once, (32 MPG) and that was hypermile driving Down 95 from Maine to NHampshire (205mi), averaging 62, but allowing speed to fluctuate with hills using the MPG meeter as a guide.
26-28hway 21-25mixed is what I normally get. Either I didn't brake it in right, have a lemon, or Subaru is stretching the truth. I will continue to measure with "Summer Fuel" to see if I make it back into the 30's.
Remember that the EPA does not verify all estimates, in fact, a small percentage. Hyundai was recently caught, and they since had to lower their numbers and payback customers.
I recently purchased a used 2012 outback, and got 29.8MPG on a very short trip(60miles, Though this matched EPA, it's not long enough to be accurate). I have met (sometimes exceeded) EPA numbers on my 2009 Honda Fit, 1992 Honda Accord, 2000 Subaru Legacy, 1998 Subaru Outback (yes, I'm a MPG fanatic). I don't think I can come close to the Impreza's EPA. A little frustrating.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:58 PM   #3666
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Just a curiosity. Who in here has a hatch with the larger roof spoiler option or cross bars? How is your mileage? Maybe these are major variables.

My wife has the spoiler but no cross bars. On winter tires and gas she get about 24-25 city and 31-32 highway.
cvt? how is this possible

nice mpg
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:00 PM   #3667
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That's the most accurate way you could think of?? You think mike markers are placed EXACTLY one mile apart?? Try using GPS instead. I know in my limited with 17" wheels, my speedo is dead on with radar and GPS and therefore, it's a safe bet that the odometer is too.

Besides that, it's not the wheels themselves that make the difference it's the diameter of the tires.
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:02 PM   #3668
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Call me optimistic, but I wouldn't assume Spdrcr5 is a troll based on his profile name. He sounds knowledgeable, and he sounds like he has real data. I think it's silly to tell people that if they're unhappy with the Impreza's fuel economy, then they should have bought a Prius. That's silly. There's a difference between someone hoping to get 35 MPG of mostly highway driving and getting 32 MPG vs. someone hoping to get 35 MPG of mostly highway driving and getting 21 MPG. That would upset me too.

So rather than accusing him of being a troll who doesn't know what he's talking about and that he doesn't know how to drive for efficiency, I'm going to assume that there's a problem with his car.
Please answer this, why do you buy an impreza in the first place, a car that has Full-time AWD, yet complain about MPG?

I understand people are unhappy about the MPG they are getting but the advertised numbers on the windows are an EPA estimate of a numerical value "up to". Not "gets" or "exceeds".

No matter what you want to blame mechanically, the end of it seems like a lead foot. Low tire pressure wont offset 10+mpg. Thick engine oil won't offset MPG by much. etc..

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Shut up.. just shut the hell up you misguided chimp..

He(like others) may have bought the damn car based on advertised MPG's. Hybrid or not... They were CLEARLY advertised as such and that is what may have fueled the purchase. So you're saying he shouldn't have expected those numbers not ONLY because the car isn't a hybrid but because he should have been able to determine that this car wouldn't meet his expectations before buying it?

Find a cliff or swallow acid. You have no clue how ridiculous you sound...
Are you mad sir? How about if I give you a cookie?

Well, then that is consumers fault, as you buy a car for some various reasons and have to account that numbers on paper don't really mean much in the real world. If you buy a car just based on papers at the dealership, then thats you're own fault as you rely on paper more than real world tests, such as those conducted by car and driver, etc. If you are buying a car based on MPG, then you would certainly look for a car that is likely a hybrid, which also happens to be 2WD. Impreza's are AWD if you haven't noticed, so don't expect something great in the MPG department.

Coming in here and flaming on me, thats pretty funny kid.

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Old 03-07-2013, 07:07 PM   #3669
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Fair enough... I am clearly out of line for that but seriously..

His only argument here is "this car isn't a hybrid so you shouldn't have expected good gas mileage to begin with". Are you kidding me? I'm too linear and logical to accept such nonsense... Not everyone wants to get 50 million mpg's maybe "fuel efficient" awd was what they wanted. I will be the first one to say maybe my expectations of this car were lofty. This is my first AWD car. and I'm coming from mashing down FWD's and still getting acceptable fuel economy but there is still no need for "Why the hell did you get this car if you wanted good fuel economy" or any statements that fall along that line, not for this car..
There are many other cars that have AWD that aren't full time like the Impreza, which do get better gas milage too, however coming onto here and complaining about such bad MPG is ridiculous. These cars are Full time AWD, not FWD then AWD once the system detects slippage.

I agree, not everyone wants a Prius, but my point is, you're buying a car that has AWD, which is definitely going to use more gas compared to a 2WD competitor. If you, as a consumer were looking directly at MPG's, which seems to be Spdrcr5's case, then he, as a consumer was wrong to buy the impreza.
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If you buy a car just based on papers at the dealership, then thats you're own fault as you rely on paper more than real world tests, such as those conducted by car and driver, etc. If you are buying a car based on MPG, then you would certainly look for a car that is likely a hybrid, which also happens to be 2WD.
He's got a point!! Do your research!!!
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That's the most accurate way you could think of?? You think mike markers are placed EXACTLY one mile apart?? Try using GPS instead. I know in my limited with 17" wheels, my speedo is dead on with radar and GPS and therefore, it's a safe bet that the odometer is too.

Besides that, it's not the wheels themselves that make the difference it's the diameter of the tires.
in my sport with 17" wheels, the speedo is dead on accurate with GPS, odometer is off by 2.9%. it would be a safe bet for me to make money against your claim
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in my sport with 17" wheels, the speedo is dead on accurate with GPS, odometer is off by 2.9%. it would be a safe bet for me to make money against your claim
So then the speedo and odometer use calculations from entirely different sensors?? I guess they'd have to if one is accurate and one isn't. Doesn't seem like that would be the case though.
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So then the speedo and odometer use calculations from entirely different sensors?? I guess they'd have to if one is accurate and one isn't. Doesn't seem like that would be the case though.
it seems that way. odometers are underreporting and speedos are correct. you would think it would be a direct correlation, but something is wrong
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:57 PM   #3674
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So then the speedo and odometer use calculations from entirely different sensors?? I guess they'd have to if one is accurate and one isn't. Doesn't seem like that would be the case though.
All cars I've owned prior to the impreza were spot on for the odometer but the speedometer overestimated the actual speed. I speculate this is probably for legal reasons if ppl speeding and blaming a faulty speedometer.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:03 PM   #3675
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So then the speedo and odometer use calculations from entirely different sensors?? I guess they'd have to if one is accurate and one isn't. Doesn't seem like that would be the case though.
The speedometer is accurate with new tires and the odometer is slow. When the tires are worn down the speedometer is fast and the odometer is accurate.
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