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Old 03-11-2013, 01:23 PM   #3826
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Here you say you are unsure of the fuel blend they use and now you are saying they use e0. Where does it state the epa uses e0?
correct, I would assume they use e0 per the test procedure. But I have a pzev car and that would fall under different blend requirements as I don't know what "California blend" is.

I posted a link to an article about test procedures just a few up
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:19 PM   #3827
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CR/EPA
49/41 +8 Jetta SprtWgnTDI(MT Diesel)
47/40 +7 Toyota Prius V Three
36/29 +7 Toyota Matrix S (2.4)
36/31 +5 Toyota Matrix 1.8L
33/28 +5 Kia Soul Plus
37/34 +3 Mini Cooper Clubman
33/30 +3 Nissan Cube 1.8 S
39/37 +2 Ford Focus SEL xx
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37/37 +0 Hyundai Elantra GT
36/36 +0 Kia Forte EX
33/36 -3 Subaru Imp Spt Premium
38/47 -9 Ford C-MAX Hybrid SE

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I might also add all other Subaru's CR test beat EPA.
37/30 +7 Subaru BRZ
29/25 +4 Subaru Legacy 3.6R LTD
35/32 +3 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Prem
32/30 +2 Subaru Outback
26/24 +2 Subaru Forester 2.5 XT ltd
23/21 +2 Subaru Tribeca LTD 3.6L
28/27 +1 Subaru Forester 2.5X Prem
34/33 +1 Subaru Crosstrek XV
So how the **** does the XV get better mpg than the Sport Premium in their testing? Doesn't make any sense
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:22 PM   #3828
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So how the **** does the XV get better mpg than the Sport Premium in their testing? Doesn't make any sense
The XV should get worse due to weight and ride height. But I think 1st gear is a different ratio? Should this matter on a CVT? I don't know.
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Old 03-11-2013, 02:28 PM   #3829
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I basically just quoted that to call into question CR's own tests. There is no way why the XV would beat the Impreza in MPG. you're correct about weight and ride height.
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Old 03-11-2013, 04:57 PM   #3830
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obviously this XV was modified by myself to run on vodka and I would prefer you remember that sir
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:29 PM   #3831
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So how the **** does the XV get better mpg than the Sport Premium in their testing? Doesn't make any sense
Yes I noticed that also. Can't really draw any conclusions about their testing though, the cars are too similar. 100lbs, 2 inch ride height, stiffened suspension ... not enough to make it the clear looser.
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:46 PM   #3832
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I achieve the EPA estimates ...
You don't .. unless you live on the Moon, you always drive downhill, or the laws of physics cease to exist in your car.....lol
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:39 PM   #3833
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You don't .. unless you live on the Moon, you always drive downhill, or the laws of physics cease to exist in your car.....lol
I do as well, in fact if I go 55-60 mph back roads I can get close to 40mpg
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:39 PM   #3834
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My boss has a 2011 hyundai... one year he was able to claim around $100 or so.
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Personally, I don't think a small difference in the test results is a big deal
I agree it's only 3 MPG for the Impreza. However in the link that BigFatHorse posted, it states that the CR numbers for highway normally beats EPA (for non hybrid vehicles). It happens though that 3mpg was the amount Hyundai had to decrease their estimates. As a penalty they pay between $50-$100 a year per car sold for those people that actually participate. This will only amount to a fraction of their profits for that year.
By placing the Impreza at 36MPG instead of 33MPG, Subaru sold many more Imprezas.
The point is that Subaru has joined the ranks of Hyundai and others, Fraudulently putting an MPG number that the vehicle simply cannot attain, to boost corporate profits. Subaru wins, consumer looses.
If we can't trust the EPA numbers, then what good are they. For most cars, the EPA values can be attained.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:45 PM   #3835
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Fraudulently putting an MPG number that the vehicle simply cannot attain, to boost corporate profits. Subaru wins, consumer looses.
For most cars, the EPA values can be attained.
You make it sound as if it is IMPOSSIBLE to attain the EPA numbers on the Impreza, yet, myself, other people on this forum, and many on fuelly do it consistantly.............so, how is it that the vehicle "simply cannot attain" these numbers exactly?
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:55 PM   #3836
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I do as well, in fact if I go 55-60 mph back roads I can get close to 40mpg
Same here! Guess I must subscribe to some different laws of Physics than some others do, lolol....
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:08 PM   #3837
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my commute home today, took the back road, set the cruise and just cruised, lol. no wind today and my dash displays correctly and usually under reports after having it adjusted




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Old 03-11-2013, 07:21 PM   #3838
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The other thing that I think some are missing when it comes to EPA numbers is that the testing is a standard method for testing the cars to allow the consumer to make a relative comparison between vehicles. It may have NO basis in 'real world' driving habits, and we as consumers may not be able to buy the special fuel they use. But it's the consistency in the test method that is what counts so that an 'apples to apples' comparison can be made across many different cars.

This type of situation may also be why more emphasis is being placed on the range of expected MPG's vs. the emphasis being placed on the single Highway and City numbers. Let's face it, cars today are more sensitive to a lot more variables than they used to be when the MPG's first appeared on the window sticker, and there's a lot more computer controlled stuff that factors into the big picture. It's not just high MPG's, it's also what's coming out the tailpipe, and keeping the engine and transmission operation within the allowable tolerances.

Then consider the fact that there's regional blends of gas that are mandated based on air testing in different cities. That winter blend in Boston is likely different from the blend in Chicago. Factor that in, and you can see why the fuel economy numbers are less about real world, and more about a relative comparison.

I'm gonna go as far to say I don't think Subaru 'gamed' the system at all. They built a car that does the best it can under a wide range of conditions and variables. Fact is, some are gonna be below average and some are going to be above average (that's the way it works, basic math). And no, I don't work for Subaru, and I don't work for/own a dealership. I'm just a 1st time Subaru owner who's tickled pink every time I hop in my car and drive down the road. If I wanted MPG's I'd have bought a Prius, and if I'd have wanted speed, I'd have bought a Porsche.
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:45 PM   #3839
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my commute home today, took the back road, set the cruise and just cruised, lol. no wind today and my dash displays correctly and usually under reports after having it adjusted



Flyboy, I don't understand how your MPG display can jump from 37 to 39 MPG with only 1 minute difference in time, and with 125 miles on your tank. Why are your numbers changing so quickly?
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:48 PM   #3840
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Flyboy, I don't understand how your MPG display can jump from 37 to 39 MPG with only 1 minute difference in time, and with 125 miles on your tank. Why are your numbers changing so quickly?
Hes using MPG, not AVG MPG.
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:53 PM   #3841
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Hes using MPG, not AVG MPG.
Ah, right. Duh.
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Ah, right. Duh.
all good, I also thought it was MPG at first too
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:10 PM   #3843
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23 MPG on my second fillup.
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:16 PM   #3844
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You don't .. unless you live on the Moon, you always drive downhill, or the laws of physics cease to exist in your car.....lol
Lol I know, its hard to believe.

Warmer temps today. saw around 60F on the commute home and to no surprise was getting better fuel economy. Awesome.
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:17 PM   #3845
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hmmm, this manual sure has some good stuff in it.
dude its your second fill up isn't your car engine still breaking in, I mean really. You just got the car don't you think you should learn how to drive the cvt before saying 23mpg on my second fill up. sheesh I saw at least 4 new impreza in my area, at this rate there is gonna be an influx of cvt drivers complaining about mpg when they are murdering the snot out of the car. your mpg is based on your driving style. I have a 5spd when I want to drive efficiently I do, when i feel like driving like an idiot I do it gleefully but you won't hear me complaining that I get crap mpg when driving the car like i stole it.


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. Select the proper gear position for the
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. Avoid sudden acceleration or decelera-
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. Do not pump the accelerator and avoid
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. Avoid unnecessary engine idling.
. Keep the engine properly tuned.
. Keep the tires inflated to the correct
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driver's side. Low pressure will increase
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:22 PM   #3846
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my commute home today, took the back road, set the cruise and just cruised, lol. no wind today and my dash displays correctly and usually under reports after having it adjusted
I see the difference in the gearing between 5MT and CVT. I just duplicated what you did on a flat road with no wind and while your car is doing 55mph at 2,300 rpm, mines is at 1,700 rpm & 39 mpg Thus, the reason why its *supposed* to get better mileage.
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:26 PM   #3847
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Ah, right. Duh.
My question is what is the point of these images... ???? Overall hand calc for the tank is all that matters.. I can break 40 on the stupid instant MPG.. I wish I had the Sat Radio - - 2013 Sport Limited and cant get SAT Radio w/out Nav... Way to go Subaru .... uggh
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23 MPG on my second fillup.
Awesome, welcome to the club
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:36 PM   #3849
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I wish I had the Sat Radio - - 2013 Sport Limited and cant get SAT Radio w/out Nav... Way to go Subaru .... uggh
Nothing a $300 head unit and $80 satellite radio receiver module couldn't fix. Here's mine:

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My question is what is the point of these images... ???? Overall hand calc for the tank is all that matters.. I can break 40 on the stupid instant MPG.. I wish I had the Sat Radio - - 2013 Sport Limited and cant get SAT Radio w/out Nav... Way to go Subaru .... uggh

38mpg hand calculated oh right 5 speed,
install the oem radio like flyboy1100 did or install aftermarket one, problem solved

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