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Old 03-12-2013, 10:15 PM   #3901
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:34 PM   #3902
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^ Funny you would post such lunacy. Apparently Subaru themselves beg to differ otherwise they wouldn't have marketed this car as such. Clearly that is just too much for some of you to grasp. I assure you if this car was advertised with unsatisfactory fuel economy then of course as with previous Subaru models, many of those who purchased this car for the fuel efficiency and AWD woud have easily went with a FWD alternative. It's that simple. I'm sorry if you are clearly too ignorant to understand that.

Edit: Correction. You're not ignorant. You're just a hypocrite. In one sentence you say this car gets good gas mileage and that its the drivers fault. Then you say nobody should have bought this car if they wanted good gas mileage. So which is it?
Oh let me guess.. Both huh?

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Old 03-12-2013, 11:10 PM   #3903
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:43 PM   #3904
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Anyone can get over 40 mpg in an Impreza - just drive slowly enough.

If you have nowhere to go and nothing to do, feel free to drive slowly, just please stay in the right lane.

The thing about driving slowly and gaining mpg is that if you figure out how much gas you save and how much longer it takes you, you're making less than minimum wage unless you're doing (well in my Impreza anyway) more than about 65 mph. In fact, here's a table - now this is flat ground, no hills, two way runs, so you're not gonna do any better mpg, although you will make a little more money if you have any hills etc. in your way. Here's how much you make (at $3.50/gallon) for the extra time, per hour:

mph ____ mpg ______ $/hr
40 ______ 47 ______ $1.57
45 ______ 44 ______ $2.20
50 ______ 41 ______ $3.04
55 ______ 39 ______ $4.17
60 ______ 36 ______ $5.67
65 ______ 34 ______ $7.69
70 ______ 31 ______ $10.45
75 ______ 29 ______ $14.28
80 ______ 26 ______ $19.68
85 ______ 24 ______ $27.51
90 ______ 21 ______ $39.24
95 ______ 18
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:50 PM   #3905
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Anyone can get over 40 mpg in an Impreza - just drive slowly enough.

If you have nowhere to go and nothing to do, feel free to drive slowly, just please stay in the right lane.

The thing about driving slowly and gaining mpg is that if you figure out how much gas you save and how much longer it takes you, you're making less than minimum wage unless you're doing (well in my Impreza anyway) more than about 70 mph. In fact, hree's a table - now this is flat ground, no hills, two way runs, so you're not gonna do any better mpg, although you will make more money if you have any hills etc. in your way. Here's how much you make for the extra time, per hour:

mph ____ mpg ______ $/hr
40 ______ 47 ______ $1.57
45 ______ 44 ______ $2.20
50 ______ 41 ______ $3.04
55 ______ 39 ______ $4.17
60 ______ 36 ______ $5.67
65 ______ 34 ______ $7.69
70 ______ 31 ______ $10.45
75 ______ 29 ______ $14.28
80 ______ 26 ______ $19.68
85 ______ 24 ______ $27.51
90 ______ 21 ______ $39.24
95 ______ 18
Let's be honest though. They could care less because:

1. Their cars get good mpg's
2. They are happy with the car regardless
3. You are clearly insane for ever expecting this car to get good gas mileage.

and seeing it from their end constantly complaining about the gas mileage isn't going to get you anywhere unless you plan on filing a claim

so your options remain
1. drive slow as hell for better mpg's
2. let it go and keep the car
3. let it go and get rid of the car for a more fuel efficient vehicle down the road. That way your time and money will eventually be saved and you can drive as fast as you want
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:56 PM   #3906
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This thread has now taken on full derp mode. Congrats.
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:03 AM   #3907
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This thread has now taken on full derp mode. Congrats.
It's been there for a long time...
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:24 AM   #3908
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I wanted to report back to you guys. This car is really subtle in a way. If you push it hard, good luck getting higher than 24mpg average. However, I've been running low revs as often as possible and short shifting as well as some brief spirited acceleration, have not been driving slow at all, and have put 125 miles on the past trip. My engine is at over 1300 miles so post break in here, and the driving has been a mix of highway, city and country roads. My average MPG today after I got back home was 30mpg. Seriously. On a manual at that. This car really is extremely efficient, if you drive it properly. Now if you drive exclusively in the city...well there isn't much hope in that case since propelling a 4wd system from a stop takes up a good bit of gas, but in any other application this car really is exceedingly efficient.
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:26 AM   #3909
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I wanted to report back to you guys. This car is really subtle in a way. If you push it hard, good luck getting higher than 24mpg average. However, I've been running low revs as often as possible and short shifting as well as some brief spirited acceleration, have not been driving slow at all, and have put 125 miles on the past trip. My engine is at over 1300 miles so post break in here, and the driving has been a mix of highway, city and country roads. My average MPG today after I got back home was 30mpg. Seriously. On a manual at that. This car really is extremely efficient, if you drive it properly. Now if you drive exclusively in the city...well there isn't much hope in that case since propelling a 4wd system from a stop takes up a good bit of gas, but in any other application this car really is exceedingly efficient.
My experience at 11k miles is you will still see improvements in mpg's even after hitting 1300 miles. Plus once you get summer blend gas you will see a large difference as well.
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My experience at 11k miles is you will still see improvements in mpg's even after hitting 1300 miles. Plus once you get summer blend gas you will see a large difference as well.
You have a 5spd or CVT?
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:40 AM   #3911
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I wanted to report back to you guys. This car is really subtle in a way. If you push it hard, good luck getting higher than 24mpg average. However, I've been running low revs as often as possible and short shifting as well as some brief spirited acceleration, have not been driving slow at all, and have put 125 miles on the past trip. My engine is at over 1300 miles so post break in here, and the driving has been a mix of highway, city and country roads. My average MPG today after I got back home was 30mpg. Seriously. On a manual at that. This car really is extremely efficient, if you drive it properly. Now if you drive exclusively in the city...well there isn't much hope in that case since propelling a 4wd system from a stop takes up a good bit of gas, but in any other application this car really is exceedingly efficient.
Well, maybe not exceedingly, but somewhat. If you have a 5 speed.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:07 AM   #3912
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Well, maybe not exceedingly, but somewhat. If you have a 5 speed.
Well I meant with respect to it being AWD. Compared to the FWD competition, its merely good.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:32 AM   #3913
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^ Funny you would post such lunacy. Apparently Subaru themselves beg to differ otherwise they wouldn't have marketed this car as such. Clearly that is just too much for some of you to grasp. I assure you if this car was advertised with unsatisfactory fuel economy then of course as with previous Subaru models, many of those who purchased this car for the fuel efficiency and AWD woud have easily went with a FWD alternative. It's that simple. I'm sorry if you are clearly too ignorant to understand that.

Edit: Correction. You're not ignorant. You're just a hypocrite. In one sentence you say this car gets good gas mileage and that its the drivers fault. Then you say nobody should have bought this car if they wanted good gas mileage. So which is it?
Oh let me guess.. Both huh?
I'm so sorry to hear you are so butt hurt over a few miles per gallon. and it surely does help punching the throttle at every light!

I know what you are saying, but honestly, you'd have to be stupid to just go out and blindly buy a car. And how you say, "many of those who purchased this car for the fuel efficiency and AWD woud have easily went with a FWD alternative.", then why didn't they do that in the first place? Its not rocket science to understand that spinning 4 wheels uses more energy than 2 wheels.

How so? This car DOES get good milage depending on the driver. Yes, i say that because people are bitching about 25mpg. IF YOU were expecting something greater, then GTFO Nasioc and go buy a damn prius. Is it that hard to explain?

As I posted way earlier, I achieved this with about 30% city and 70% highway driving. Was the driving style realistic? no. But did I exceed/get near subaru's numbers? yes.

Before complaining about your own real world numbers and the EPA subaru has, teach your foot to drive more efficiently. I had NO problems staying above 33mpg.
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this is ~200miles about 30% city 70% highway..


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This is 249.3 miles to be exact, babying the throttle.. roads I travel on are generally flat. Some uphill and downhill. Roughly 5% downhill, 20% uphill, and 75% flat throughout the duration of the 249.3 miles.

MPH city was from 0-35mph (traffic). Highway was from 60-70mph.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:36 AM   #3914
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Anyone can get over 40 mpg in an Impreza - just drive slowly enough.

If you have nowhere to go and nothing to do, feel free to drive slowly, just please stay in the right lane.

The thing about driving slowly and gaining mpg is that if you figure out how much gas you save and how much longer it takes you, you're making less than minimum wage unless you're doing (well in my Impreza anyway) more than about 65 mph. In fact, here's a table - now this is flat ground, no hills, two way runs, so you're not gonna do any better mpg, although you will make a little more money if you have any hills etc. in your way. Here's how much you make (at $3.50/gallon) for the extra time, per hour:

mph ____ mpg ______ $/hr
40 ______ 47 ______ $1.57
45 ______ 44 ______ $2.20
50 ______ 41 ______ $3.04
55 ______ 39 ______ $4.17
60 ______ 36 ______ $5.67
65 ______ 34 ______ $7.69
70 ______ 31 ______ $10.45
75 ______ 29 ______ $14.28
80 ______ 26 ______ $19.68
85 ______ 24 ______ $27.51
90 ______ 21 ______ $39.24
95 ______ 18
I dont get why this concept is hard to grasp....

But im personally surprised by the numbers
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Let's be honest though. They could care less because:

1. Their cars get good mpg's
2. They are happy with the car regardless
3. You are clearly insane for ever expecting this car to get good gas mileage.

and seeing it from their end constantly complaining about the gas mileage isn't going to get you anywhere unless you plan on filing a claim

so your options remain
1. drive slow as hell for better mpg's
2. let it go and keep the car
3. let it go and get rid of the car for a more fuel efficient vehicle down the road. That way your time and money will eventually be saved and you can drive as fast as you want
Lets be honest here.

You are butthurt. I get it. So lets part ways. I stay with my subie, and you go off to your butthurt ecofriendly people who get pissed over a little noise.
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I see this has gotten absolutely no where in the pages & pages of a pissing contest here. People just seem to be getting douchier by the minute. Here let me...

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Old 03-13-2013, 04:06 AM   #3916
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I know what you are saying, but honestly, you'd have to be stupid to just go out and blindly buy a car. And how you say, "many of those who purchased this car for the fuel efficiency and AWD woud have easily went with a FWD alternative.", then why didn't they do that in the first place? Its not rocket science to understand that spinning 4 wheels uses more energy than 2 wheels.
They were aware of the AWD when they released EPA ratings, the car that was tested had... get this... AWD!!! The sticker doesn't say "27city/30mixed/36highway but you're buying an AWD car so expect much less than that." & people can actually get those numbers on their AWD Subies so how dare someone expect even remotely close. Not to mention those that researched Subaru & prior year models & pre-ordered... they must be stupid.

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How so? This car DOES get good milage depending on the driver. Yes, i say that because people are bitching about 25mpg. IF YOU were expecting something greater, then GTFO Nasioc and go buy a damn prius. Is it that hard to explain?
Is it really that hard to understand that 25 mixed is 15% lower than 30 mixed? Yes there's a range given now but regardless no one bought this car expecting to get mid 40s or 50 MPG. That's why they didn't get a Prius.

Don't get butt hurt as you say, but you're missing the point entirely.
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Old 03-13-2013, 04:22 AM   #3917
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Thank you for making me unsubscribe to this thread. It used to be a nice little discussion about mpg and what people all over were getting. Now as said before, it's a pissing contest.
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Old 03-13-2013, 04:42 AM   #3918
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I dont get why this concept is hard to grasp....

But im personally surprised by the numbers

Lets be honest here.

You are butthurt. I get it. So lets part ways. I stay with my subie, and you go off to your butthurt ecofriendly people who get pissed over a little noise.
You got to see this, Getting yelled at for the diesel truck I drive - YouTube
You clearly can't read. There is nothing "butthurt" about my post but you clearly have a thing for anuses so I'll let you carry on being an idiot. Suits you quite well. I never even mentioned anything about wanting to get rid of my car. So on top of being a miserable little maggot you are making things up that are clearly false. Where on earth were you educated?
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Is it really that hard to understand that 25 mixed is 15% lower than 30 mixed? Yes there's a range given now but regardless no one bought this car expecting to get mid 40s or 50 MPG. That's why they didn't get a Prius.

Don't get butt hurt as you say, but you're missing the point entirely.
Been trying to tell this fool since he began posting about hybrids. Hell I dont even expect this car to get 36 mpg. 30 would be nice.. and I don't need to get a damn prius for that. I'm averaging 26 and will probably get near 27/28 once it gets warmer. Which is fine by me. I just don't need some her derp telling me I should have bought a super econ box just to get an improvement of 4 mpgs when I have stated eons before that I am just fine with this car as is(mpg's aside)
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^ Funny you would post such lunacy. Apparently Subaru themselves beg to differ otherwise they wouldn't have marketed this car as such. Clearly that is just too much for some of you to grasp. I assure you if this car was advertised with unsatisfactory fuel economy then of course as with previous Subaru models, many of those who purchased this car for the fuel efficiency and AWD woud have easily went with a FWD alternative. It's that simple. I'm sorry if you are clearly too ignorant to understand that.

Edit: Correction. You're not ignorant. You're just a hypocrite. In one sentence you say this car gets good gas mileage and that its the drivers fault. Then you say nobody should have bought this car if they wanted good gas mileage. So which is it?
Oh let me guess.. Both huh?
It's called humor, ever heard of it? I love my car and the mpg I get
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:58 AM   #3921
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Well a lot of it has to do with manufacturing and volume. If OEM's left options completely open to us, it would likely slow the production line and we'd be waiting even longer to take delivery. What I don't understand is something like wheel options. They all need wheels and they all come from the same place so why can't I get sport wheels on my sedan??? Again this may have something to do with what we don't see behind the scenes but it is kind of annoying when you want to order a car but you still can't get it equipped exactly how you'd like.
I can give a basic answer to your question as to why you can't for example get the exact wheels you want since every vehicle requires them. I have been to the Honda Factory in Ohio on a behind the scenes tour and have spoke with quite a few higher ups from Honda. This is how Honda manufactures and honestly how many if not most of the larger volume companies manufacture today.

It is called Just in Time manufacturing. They plan out days, weeks and sometimes even months in advance depending on many variables exactly what they will need for a particular day or shift. This is everything that goes into a vehicle from wheels/tires to interior, body style, paint color, etc.

With Honda for example the Civic, CR-V and at the time Element were all manufactured in the same factory. The Civic was a larger volume than the Element for example so they obviously made more of them more often. For the most part they would build the exact same vehicle even down to the paint color and all options in batches of 25-50. Then they would switch to another color or even another model altogether. They had the various body panels prestacked along the assembly line as well as engines/tranny pre joined and wheels/tires all ready to go.

If a company were to offer the options the way most of us would want to buy a car the cars would cost more and take longer to build. Most people would not want to wait or pay. The fully custom vehicle is what practically killed the US Auto industry in the 70's and 80's... yes build quality played a major roll but there were literally hundreds of different ways you could pre-order most American cars and trucks back then. Now there are 2-4 basic models and then within that there are subsets of "option packages" which are specific to each model.

Hope this info helps. :-)
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I can give a basic answer to your question as to why you can't for example get the exact wheels you want since every vehicle requires them. I have been to the Honda Factory in Ohio on a behind the scenes tour and have spoke with quite a few higher ups from Honda. This is how Honda manufactures and honestly how many if not most of the larger volume companies manufacture today.

It is called Just in Time manufacturing. They plan out days, weeks and sometimes even months in advance depending on many variables exactly what they will need for a particular day or shift. This is everything that goes into a vehicle from wheels/tires to interior, body style, paint color, etc.

With Honda for example the Civic, CR-V and at the time Element were all manufactured in the same factory. The Civic was a larger volume than the Element for example so they obviously made more of them more often. For the most part they would build the exact same vehicle even down to the paint color and all options in batches of 25-50. Then they would switch to another color or even another model altogether. They had the various body panels prestacked along the assembly line as well as engines/tranny pre joined and wheels/tires all ready to go.

If a company were to offer the options the way most of us would want to buy a car the cars would cost more and take longer to build. Most people would not want to wait or pay. The fully custom vehicle is what practically killed the US Auto industry in the 70's and 80's... yes build quality played a major roll but there were literally hundreds of different ways you could pre-order most American cars and trucks back then. Now there are 2-4 basic models and then within that there are subsets of "option packages" which are specific to each model.

Hope this info helps. :-)
Isn't that what I basically said only in less detail?? Lol
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They were aware of the AWD when they released EPA ratings, the car that was tested had... get this... AWD!!! The sticker doesn't say "27city/30mixed/36highway but you're buying an AWD car so expect much less than that." & people can actually get those numbers on their AWD Subies so how dare someone expect even remotely close. Not to mention those that researched Subaru & prior year models & pre-ordered... they must be stupid.



Is it really that hard to understand that 25 mixed is 15% lower than 30 mixed? Yes there's a range given now but regardless no one bought this car expecting to get mid 40s or 50 MPG. That's why they didn't get a Prius.

Don't get butt hurt as you say, but you're missing the point entirely.
I understand what you guys are saying, but point is, if you're going to keep complaining about a few mpgs, either learn how to drive more efficiently, or buy a car that will give you more mpg, which is why I threw out the prius as an example.

I can achieve close to or over Subarus stickers numbers no problem, why? Because I don't have to drive like an asshat everywhere..

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You clearly can't read. There is nothing "butthurt" about my post but you clearly have a thing for anuses so I'll let you carry on being an idiot. Suits you quite well. I never even mentioned anything about wanting to get rid of my car. So on top of being a miserable little maggot you are making things up that are clearly false. Where on earth were you educated?
Definitely butthurt. lolololololol
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