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Old 03-13-2013, 11:50 AM   #3926
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They were aware of the AWD when they released EPA ratings, the car that was tested had... get this... AWD!!! The sticker doesn't say "27city/30mixed/36highway but you're buying an AWD car so expect much less than that." & people can actually get those numbers on their AWD Subies so how dare someone expect even remotely close. Not to mention those that researched Subaru & prior year models & pre-ordered... they must be stupid.



Is it really that hard to understand that 25 mixed is 15% lower than 30 mixed? Yes there's a range given now but regardless no one bought this car expecting to get mid 40s or 50 MPG. That's why they didn't get a Prius.

Don't get butt hurt as you say, but you're missing the point entirely.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:51 AM   #3927
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Been trying to tell this fool since he began posting about hybrids. Hell I dont even expect this car to get 36 mpg. 30 would be nice.. and I don't need to get a damn prius for that. I'm averaging 26 and will probably get near 27/28 once it gets warmer. Which is fine by me. I just don't need some her derp telling me I should have bought a super econ box just to get an improvement of 4 mpgs when I have stated eons before that I am just fine with this car as is(mpg's aside)

If you're averaging 26, and expecting 30, then drive more efficiently..... Drive under or at speed limits. If you are fine with this car, then quit complaining over a few mpgs. Complaining isn't going to cure the few mpgs. Learning how to drive more efficiently will.
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:04 PM   #3928
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I am pleasantly surprised about the fuel efficiency of the car. I have a 13' WRX and in the first couple tanks I got 25-26 mpg. That's driving extremely conservative and keeping the car out of boost 90% of the time. I was def expecting to get avg 22 mpg. But I side with everyone else - I didn't buy this car to get good gas mileage. If I wanted that I would have gone with a civic.
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:05 PM   #3929
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I am pleasantly surprised about the fuel efficiency of the car. I have a 13' WRX and in the first couple tanks I got 25-26 mpg. That's driving extremely conservative and keeping the car out of boost 90% of the time. I was def expecting to get avg 22 mpg. But I side with everyone else - I didn't buy this car to get good gas mileage. If I wanted that I would have gone with a civic.
nice mpg!


find it funny how a turbo is getting more mpg than some of you. LOL

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Old 03-13-2013, 12:37 PM   #3930
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Zauri, do you have easy access to E0 gas in MD?

Unfortunately not over here.

E0 is 4 to 5 hours away in every direction. I live in southern Maryland. All e0 is on the other side of the Chesapeake lol

oh and 2 hours south in Winchester VA

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Old 03-13-2013, 12:49 PM   #3931
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Old 03-13-2013, 01:07 PM   #3932
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If you're averaging 26, and expecting 30, then drive more efficiently..... Drive under or at speed limits. If you are fine with this car, then quit complaining over a few mpgs. Complaining isn't going to cure the few mpgs. Learning how to drive more efficiently will.
Already plan to do so. Also terrain and the way infrastructure is set up in these halfway MD suburds south in PG doesn't help due to lights every 1/2 mile and horrendous congestion.

Honestly instead of even worrying bout mpg's over all I just set a cut off for how many miles I expect to get from each tank. I am satisfied with anything above 300. I have been at 275 for most of my non HW tanks so it's definitely feasible. And there have been slight improvements as the semi spring weather starts to break in. Winter tanks I have had get about 150 per 1/2 tank. Last few tanks this has slightly improved to 190 doing the same drives and not really changing the way I drive( well other than the fact that I have started driving in to work more often instead of the hsort trips to the bus stop)

I'm simply stating that going around badgering people about hydrids or calling them idiots for expecting this car to get decent mpg's(decent not astounding 40+mpgs) is a bit ridiculous. I was miffed about these numbers when I first got the car, but you tend to let 4-5 mpg's go when it monsoons/snows over here(even if not that much) and you realize that you would have been sliding all over the place in the sluggish Veloster as an alternative(especially with it costing just as much at the time).

I'm not even going to file a claim. This car will be paid off in 3 years. I'd already be planning to trade if I hated the damn thing lol

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Old 03-13-2013, 01:16 PM   #3933
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Already plan to do so. Also terrain and the way infrructure is set up in these halfway MD suburds south in PG doesn't help due to lights every 1/2 mile and horrendous suggestion.

Honestly instead of even worrying bout mpg's over all I just set a cut off for how many miles I expect to get from each tank. I am satisfied with anything above 300. I have been at 275 for most of my non HW tanks so it's definitely feasible. And there have been slight improvements as the semi spring weather starts to break in. Winter tanks I have had get about 150 per 1/2 tank. Last few tanks this has slightly improved to 190 doing the same drives and not really changing the way I drive( well other than the fact that I have started driving in to work more often instead of the hsort trips to the bus stop)

I'm simply stating that going around badgering people about hydrids or calling them idiots for expecting this car to get decent mpg's(decent not astounding 40+mpgs) is a bit ridiculous. I was miffed about these numbers when I first got the car, but you tend to let 4-5 mpg's go when it monsoons/snows over here(even if not that much) and you realize that you would have been sliding all over the place in the sluggish Veloster as an alternative(especially with it costing just as much at the time).

I'm not even going to file a claim. This car will be paid off in 3 years. I'd already be planning to trade if I hated the damn thing lol
Good for you.

I know it comes off wrong, but its like really? Just calm the **** down, you did buy a car thats not rated for extremely high mpg's. While the subaru numbers are achievable, people will tend to factor the driver out, which is ridiculous, blaming it on subaru or just the car it self. Personally I am amazed by the MPG on the 2.0i's, yet some beg to differ. The only reason why I brought up the prius in the first place was because it seemed like some were getting butthurt over anything under 30mpg....

Surely you will get screwed over for winter time, but hey, for some MPG seems more important than winter driving safety!
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Old 03-13-2013, 01:28 PM   #3934
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Good for you.

I know it comes off wrong, but its like really? Just calm the **** down, you did buy a car thats not rated for extremely high mpg's. While the subaru numbers are achievable, people will tend to factor the driver out, which is ridiculous, blaming it on subaru or just the car it self. Personally I am amazed by the MPG on the 2.0i's, yet some beg to differ. The only reason why I brought up the prius in the first place was because it seemed like some were getting butthurt over anything under 30mpg....

Surely you will get screwed over for winter time, but hey, for some MPG seems more important than winter driving safety!
Well that comes from being spoiled with the FWD econ putt mobiles that would easily beat their estimates even when floored to the gates of hell lol.

With the Impreza rated along the lines of these cars folks are expecting the car to behave the same way. I'm sure if I owned prev gen subaru's before buying this car it wouldn't seem too low. I came from a 2002 corolla and it yanked about 28 (still pretty low for a corolla but the car was on it's death bed) and then buying the Impreza expecting anything above 27.. so when the majority of my tanks hit 23/24 I was like "Hmmm ok.....". Not really pissed, just a bit unnerved.

But as you stated winter weather is really crushing it. I have never had a tank under 23 like others though(surely never seen anything in the teens). Even with my lead foot.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:16 PM   #3935
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My first post here, I have a 2013 sport 5 door, live in the Poconos drive 52 miles round trip to work, up hill and down hill to Easton Pa. I've had it since 19 Jan 2013. So far I have never gotten below 30mpg, usually averaging 32-34, tank lasts me ~400 before I get nervous and decide not to see how accurate the gauge is, I've owned jeeps so I don't trust gas gauges, I drive by odometer. I do my best to keep the economy/vac gauge in the center or to the right.
This far surpasses my 97 Wrangler and my 98 Cherokee which were in the 15 to 18 mpg range, I still have the Cherokee or XJ, the wrangler or TJ has been recycled.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:25 PM   #3936
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Fistv, nice MPGs.

Does your car have the MT or CVT? Do you already use or have easy access to ethanol-free (E0) gas in your vicinity of PA?
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:38 PM   #3937
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It has the CVT, this is the first automatic transmission I have ever owned. As for the ethanol free, yes, there is one across the street from Lehigh Valley Airport on airport road, $4 a gallon my son said, he's trying it out in his 2012 Kawasaki KLR. It's not exactly handy to get to for me, for him his girlfriend is near there.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:48 PM   #3938
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It has the CVT, this is the first automatic transmission I have ever owned. As for the ethanol free, yes, there is one across the street from Lehigh Valley Airport on airport road, $4 a gallon my son said, he's trying it out in his 2012 Kawasaki KLR. It's not exactly handy to get to for me, for him his girlfriend is near there.
Understood. I've found that E0 is good for a 10% bump in fuel economy.
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:57 PM   #3939
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Understood. I've found that E0 is good for a 10% bump in fuel economy.
But thats like a 15% price increase.
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But thats like a 15% price increase.
Maybe for you, but not for me. My price increase is 10%, so I figure I break even. The only thing I gain is a warm fuzzy feeling from seeing better MPGs on my display. I know that I'm not ahead financially.
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Fair enough, theres not many E0 places in NJ. Maybe 3 or 4 total according to some site i saw.
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Old 03-13-2013, 04:58 PM   #3942
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My first post here, I have a 2013 sport 5 door, live in the Poconos drive 52 miles round trip to work, up hill and down hill to Easton Pa. I've had it since 19 Jan 2013. So far I have never gotten below 30mpg, usually averaging 32-34, tank lasts me ~400 before I get nervous and decide not to see how accurate the gauge is, I've owned jeeps so I don't trust gas gauges, I drive by odometer. I do my best to keep the economy/vac gauge in the center or to the right.
This far surpasses my 97 Wrangler and my 98 Cherokee which were in the 15 to 18 mpg range, I still have the Cherokee or XJ, the wrangler or TJ has been recycled.
Just to clarify it isn't a vac gauge. Center = current avg mpg, each tick mark is 5 mpg +/-
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Old 03-13-2013, 05:46 PM   #3943
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I'm so sorry to hear you are so butt hurt over a few miles per gallon. and it surely does help punching the throttle at every light!

I know what you are saying, but honestly, you'd have to be stupid to just go out and blindly buy a car. And how you say, "many of those who purchased this car for the fuel efficiency and AWD woud have easily went with a FWD alternative.", then why didn't they do that in the first place? Its not rocket science to understand that spinning 4 wheels uses more energy than 2 wheels.

How so? This car DOES get good milage depending on the driver. Yes, i say that because people are bitching about 25mpg. IF YOU were expecting something greater, then GTFO Nasioc and go buy a damn prius. Is it that hard to explain?

As I posted way earlier, I achieved this with about 30% city and 70% highway driving. Was the driving style realistic? no. But did I exceed/get near subaru's numbers? yes.

Before complaining about your own real world numbers and the EPA subaru has, teach your foot to drive more efficiently. I had NO problems staying above 33mpg.
Sounds like this guy has an obsession...

Not to mention he doesn't understand the EPA mpg procedure and how the Impreza is way off from others, here he is interjecting hostility into this thread. Is this another attempt to quash the legitimate concerns of some people, or is he just an idiot? This thread does just fine until morons that don't even have CVT's start defending them.

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Just calm the **** down, you did buy a car thats not rated for extremely high mpg's.
I don't think you're in any condition to be telling others to "calm the **** down". And you're wrong Mr Butthurter. We bought a car rated 36 mpg on the highway, and other cars rated at 36 are getting way more than we are.

Plus, you are butt backwards on your thoughts about efficiency. It's not more efficient to drive more slowly, unless you don't care about time, but then efficiency would not be in those people's calculations.

Butthurt. What an imbecile.
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I didn't realize this thread was only for cvt users, maybe we should change the title.
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I didn't realize this thread was only for cvt users, maybe we should change the title.
You appear more confused than ever...
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Plus, you are butt backwards on your thoughts about efficiency. It's not more efficient to drive more slowly, unless you don't care about time, but then efficiency would not be in those people's calculations.
Quick question. Exactly how fast do you drive again? I mean on most roads over here 50-60 even in suburban areas can get you from point A to B in a fairly decent time. Out here Highway Sped limit is 55-60(only 65 when you get out of the greater metro area). Lesser roads are 50. and then residential areas ar 35.
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Quick question. Exactly how fast do you drive again? I mean on most roads over here 50-60 even in suburban areas can get you from point A to B in a fairly decent time. Out here Highway Sped limit is 55-60(only 65 when you get out of the greater metro area). Lesser roads are 50. and then residential areas ar 35.
He has already stated that his average speeds are in excess of 70mph (his time is invaluable, but not too valuable to waste doing spreadsheets and endlessly posting here), and recently revealed a portion of his commute it at 5,000 rpm up a mountain.
But why he does not achieve 36mpg, nobody knows...it's a g'damn mystery!
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If I was to drive 60 mph my commute would take me an extra half hour. Each way. Well, technically 27 minutes. I have about a hundred mile freeway drive. My 2004 Corolla was rerated in 2008 to also get 36 mpg highway. By all rights I would have been just stepping into a different car and using the same amount of gasoline. Nope, the Corolla gets 8 to 10 mpg better on my commute. Granted the Impreza is a nicer car to drive, but that's not the point... False advertising is the point.
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If I was to drive 60 mph my commute would take me an extra half hour. Each way. Well, technically 27 minutes. I have about a hundred mile freeway drive. My 2004 Corolla was rerated in 2008 to also get 36 mpg highway. By all rights I would have been just stepping into a different car and using the same amount of gasoline. Nope, the Corolla gets 8 to 10 mpg better on my commute. Granted the Impreza is a nicer car to drive, but that's not the point... False advertising is the point.
I wouldn't say that Subaru advertising the Impreza "up to" 30 avg or 36 Highway mpg's is "false advertising" per se(though it would seem so). I'd say it's more milking the hell out of an achievable yet moderately unrealistic number in regards to real time standards. Even so I'm sure they could have used the ranges that have posted on thier car stickers but then of course that would probably not help sales. up to 30 mpgs avg does sound much better than "ooh maybe 23-32".... lol
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I wouldn't say that Subaru advertising the Impreza "up to" 30 avg or 36 Highway mpg's is "false advertising" per se(though it would seem so). I'd say it's more milking the hell out of an achievable yet moderately unrealistic number in regards to real time standards. Even so I'm sure they could have used the ranges that have posted on thier car stickers but then of course that would probably not help sales. up to 30 mpgs avg does sound much better than "ooh maybe 23-32".... lol
If you look at the comparison in the first post here of the Impreza with all other Consumer Reports tested vehicles that got 35 mpg highway in the Consumer Reports testing this year, you will see the Impreza is indeed an outlier, in anyone's book:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2477627

Now it may be that they just tuned the vehicle for the EPA test without regard to reality, or just sat it there and tried and retuned over and over for max mpg, but based on the other vehicles whatever they did appears unethical. It was on Subaru's machine, after all...
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