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Old 03-13-2013, 06:57 PM   #3951
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Understood. I've found that E0 is good for a 10% bump in fuel economy.
E0 made no difference in my standard commute.
However, my avg mpg gauge has been sitting at 30 all week from a change in drive.
I'm convinced nothing else has the impact that route and right foot have.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:04 PM   #3952
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E0 made no difference in my standard commute.
However, my avg mpg gauge has been sitting at 30 all week from a change in drive.
I'm convinced nothing else has the impact that route and right foot have.
I needed to fill with E0 a few times in a row to get the full benefit (this is, to bring mixture of ethanol gas in my tank down to approaching E0).
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:04 PM   #3953
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I wouldn't say that Subaru advertising the Impreza "up to" 30 avg or 36 Highway mpg's is "false advertising" per se(though it would seem so). I'd say it's more milking the hell out of an achievable yet moderately unrealistic number in regards to real time standards. Even so I'm sure they could have used the ranges that have posted on thier car stickers but then of course that would probably not help sales. up to 30 mpgs avg does sound much better than "ooh maybe 23-32".... lol
I would. This is just one video, many more out there of Subaru Advertising the car. SBOA rep - Their Big story is Fuel Economy.

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Old 03-13-2013, 08:33 PM   #3954
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I would. This is just one video, many more out there of Subaru Advertising the car. SBOA rep - Their Big story is Fuel Economy.
And videos like this one too:

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Old 03-13-2013, 08:43 PM   #3955
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I would. This is just one video, many more out there of Subaru Advertising the car. SBOA rep - Their Big story is Fuel Economy.

All New 2012 Subaru Impreza exposed Inside & Out - YouTube
Again i say.... more milking the hell out of an achievable yet moderately unrealistic number in regards to real time standards. EPA Ratings with EPA testing vs real time driving. Not to say that getting the numbers is impossible or that you will consistently see 36 mpg ever, but the maximum for each rating is highly unlikely for some.

That is when you go and ask.. well why is that the case.

Say you have a 2012 Corolla vs 2012 Impreza via EPA testing. Yes they may run equal efficiency numbers during these tests whether it be city or highway but then you put these cars on the road in real time driving, with real time conditions (i.e. cold weather, snow, rain, traffic, etc). Simply due to the fact that the two vehicles operate differently on the road could honestly explain why the numbers are so far apart once off the lot. (a lighter FWD car with possibly less HP vs a heavier fulltime AWD car)

Funny... that is exactly what some of the guys here have been saying the entire time lol

And yes the intended ranges are posted just under those EPA estimate (on the car stickers) for each car on the lot as well. So for those who question the validity of 27/30/36 those ranges actually tell you what you can expect from the Impreza. They simply won't market those numbers full blast because well duh, they want to sell the car.

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Old 03-13-2013, 08:49 PM   #3956
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Ultimately if enough people get pissed off about the mpg's Subaru will be sued just like Kia, Hyundai owners did and I honestly thought it was a bit ridiculous seeing how all most of them received were gifts cards and they gladly went back to the cars they were so up in arms about lol. And the ratings only went down by what 2 mpg's? You'd think after seeing that Subaru would be gearing up for the gauntlet if these numbers continued to draw that much concern.
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:22 PM   #3957
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I agree with what people are saying here. It appears that while it's possible for the Impreza to match the EPA numbers, it also appears that the Impreza is more sensitive to any deviation away from the EPA's driving methods than most cars. This results in MPGs that are further from the window sticker than many people expect.

So why aren't I upset about this? Because I'm able to get 30+ MPGs without too much trouble. I've never gotten 36 MPGs, even on a highway roadtrip. But I can easily get 33 MPGs on that trip, and that's good enough for me. When the highway MPGs of Imprezas was in the twenties (that is, any Impreza before 2012), the fuel economy was too low for the car to make it only my radar screen. I always appreciated the reliability of Subarus, and always thought the AWD could be useful, but I didn't want to own a compact car that got the fuel economy of a much larger car.

Once the 2012 Impreza came out with highway MPGs in the thirties, at that point the fuel economy was sufficient for me to consider buying one. Not stellar, but sufficient. When I decided to dump my TDI, I didn't like the idea of going back to a common, boring FWD car. The TDI was a unique car, and I wanted to replace it with something that was more reliable than my TDI but not typical like all of my past Hondas. I liked the uniqueness of Subaru's boxer engine and AWD, and the MPGs were finally adequate (although certainly not as good as a Civic or Corolla), so I accepted "good enough" fuel economy in order to get the other unique advantages that Subarus have to offer.

So that's how I came to buy my Impreza, and that's why I accept its fuel economy even though I admit that the driving style required to get acceptable fuel economy is very constrained.
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And videos like this one too:

http://youtu.be/cxDrA0WennE
I posted that vid you toolbox... the point is that was not a SBOA rep talking about "Their Big story is Fuel Economy" . That is SBOA advertising. And Please!!!! Go drive an Impreza CVT PZEV for several tanks then comment on what many of us are dealing with. W/out doing that you can in no way explain to me why I can't break the 30mpg mark with my CVT PZEV Impreza. Until then your comments mean nothing to me. Again, what are you trying to prove.. You dont have a CVT PZEV, so why would you try to comment on my complaints? Uggh
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I posted that vid you toolbox... the point is that was not a SBOA rep talking about "Their Big story is Fuel Economy" . That is SBOA advertising. And Please!!!! Go drive an Impreza CVT PZEV for several tanks then comment on what many of us are dealing with. W/out doing that you can in no way explain to me why I can't break the 30mpg mark with my CVT PZEV Impreza. Until then your comments mean nothing to me. Again, what are you trying to prove.. You dont have a CVT PZEV, so why would you try to comment on my complaints? Uggh
How often do you use cruise control?

I have taken my Limited CVT on a few 260 mile round trips to Winchester VA Cruising between 55-65 mph and each time I take this trip I managed anywhere close to 32-33 mpgs. Or in retrospect 230-240 miles on 1/2 a tank of gas. Now when i come back home of course, I barely break 300 on a full tank lol
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I agree with what people are saying here. It appears that while it's possible for the Impreza to match the EPA numbers, it also appears that the Impreza is more sensitive to any deviation away from the EPA's driving methods than most cars. This results in MPGs that are further from the window sticker than many people expect.

So why aren't I upset about this?
Derb... Because you don't have a CVT???

But of course it is easy to match the EPA numbers. All you have to do is drive slowly enough. I'll bet I could get 50 mpg if I drove about 35 or 40 mph.

And why do you state "it also appears that the Impreza is more sensitive to any deviation away from the EPA's driving methods than most cars. This results in MPGs that are further from the window sticker than many people expect."

What evidence do you have to support that statement?
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So why aren't I upset about this? Because I'm able to get 30+ MPGs without too much trouble. I've never gotten 36 MPGs, even on a highway roadtrip. But I can easily get 33 MPGs on that trip, and that's good enough for me.
I know you realize that your car is not expected to return 36 HWY MPG, the rating for the 5speed Sport is 33 HWY MPG.

The way you wrote that makes it sound like you expected to see 36, but were satisfied to see only 33, when you are in fact seeing the top range provided by Subaru via the EPA testing for your car (same as mine).
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Old 03-13-2013, 10:23 PM   #3962
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Well that comes from being spoiled with the FWD econ putt mobiles that would easily beat their estimates even when floored to the gates of hell lol.

With the Impreza rated along the lines of these cars folks are expecting the car to behave the same way. I'm sure if I owned prev gen subaru's before buying this car it wouldn't seem too low. I came from a 2002 corolla and it yanked about 28 (still pretty low for a corolla but the car was on it's death bed) and then buying the Impreza expecting anything above 27.. so when the majority of my tanks hit 23/24 I was like "Hmmm ok.....". Not really pissed, just a bit unnerved.

But as you stated winter weather is really crushing it. I have never had a tank under 23 like others though(surely never seen anything in the teens). Even with my lead foot.
lol, oh yea, if you were a subie before, its definitely understandable..

23/24 is pretty low, but how hard are you on the gas? I am very easy on the gas and can achieve 30+mpg no problem...

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Sounds like this guy has an obsession...

Not to mention he doesn't understand the EPA mpg procedure and how the Impreza is way off from others, here he is interjecting hostility into this thread. Is this another attempt to quash the legitimate concerns of some people, or is he just an idiot? This thread does just fine until morons that don't even have CVT's start defending them.



I don't think you're in any condition to be telling others to "calm the **** down". And you're wrong Mr Butthurter. We bought a car rated 36 mpg on the highway, and other cars rated at 36 are getting way more than we are.

Plus, you are butt backwards on your thoughts about efficiency. It's not more efficient to drive more slowly, unless you don't care about time, but then efficiency would not be in those people's calculations.

Butthurt. What an imbecile.
I own a CVT 2.0i 2012 Impreza. Good job sir. Do you not understand that driver accounts for a majority of your MPG? If your flooring it trying to beat ever highschool kid on the street to impress some teenage girls, your MPG is definitely going to spiral down..

I care about time, but does 1-2min on your commute really make a difference? sure it adds up, but so does taking dumps each morning, while trying to beat a level on your phone..
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I agree with what people are saying here. It appears that while it's possible for the Impreza to match the EPA numbers, it also appears that the Impreza is more sensitive to any deviation away from the EPA's driving methods than most cars. This results in MPGs that are further from the window sticker than many people expect.

So why aren't I upset about this? Because I'm able to get 30+ MPGs without too much trouble. I've never gotten 36 MPGs, even on a highway roadtrip. But I can easily get 33 MPGs on that trip, and that's good enough for me. When the highway MPGs of Imprezas was in the twenties (that is, any Impreza before 2012), the fuel economy was too low for the car to make it only my radar screen. I always appreciated the reliability of Subarus, and always thought the AWD could be useful, but I didn't want to own a compact car that got the fuel economy of a much larger car.

Once the 2012 Impreza came out with highway MPGs in the thirties, at that point the fuel economy was sufficient for me to consider buying one. Not stellar, but sufficient. When I decided to dump my TDI, I didn't like the idea of going back to a common, boring FWD car. The TDI was a unique car, and I wanted to replace it with something that was more reliable than my TDI but not typical like all of my past Hondas. I liked the uniqueness of Subaru's boxer engine and AWD, and the MPGs were finally adequate (although certainly not as good as a Civic or Corolla), so I accepted "good enough" fuel economy in order to get the other unique advantages that Subarus have to offer.

So that's how I came to buy my Impreza, and that's why I accept its fuel economy even though I admit that the driving style required to get acceptable fuel economy is very constrained.
sgoldste01, I for one enjoy your posts personally, and I am happy that you have improved your situation. I think all buyers need to evaluate/justify how they feel about their purchase, glad you feel positive. I do not.

This is my opinion, I think Subaru truley false advertised the MPG's for the CVT PZEV Impreza. I can honestly tell you I have done everything in my power to drive this car as efficiently (let's call it grandma) and cannot reach an AVG 30MPG, I know a dead horse.

But that does not change the fact that many of us are living with far inferior avg mpg's claimed by SBOA. I dont want to accept what I am acheiving, hence my complaint file with SBOA. I agree, when I saw the advertisements for the Impreza, seemed like an excellent fit for my new needs, but now getting an AVG of less than 28mpg when I was significantly beating that in a car rated much less really upsets me. As you know I wanted/needed an A/T. I know many will only drive M/T, I was one and still have one and appreciate why many would!!

But my 2013 Impeza CVT PZEV, the way I drive should at the min, hit an AVG of 30MPG, and it does not. So I can't/wont just lye down and accept it. That said, my car is actually very nice, leather, sunroof, have aftermkt Sat radio, love the interior space and MPG's aside is perfect for my commute and has made me a more relaxed driver due to the CVT, but I am just pissed about SBOA false advertising and purchased this car expecting to improve my daily commute only to be dissapointed. I guess what I am saying is, I have driven my car for almost 5,500 miles in the most efficient manner that I think anybody on this forum can, rarely break 65mph and always light accelerate, and the CVT PZEV does not live up to any of SBOA advertised MPG claims IMO. It is a very good little wagon, but burn me once and your done! I wish you nothing but the best for you and your car.
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How often do you use cruise control?

I have taken my Limited CVT on a few 260 mile round trips to Winchester VA Cruising between 55-65 mph and each time I take this trip I managed anywhere close to 32-33 mpgs. Or in retrospect 230-240 miles on 1/2 a tank of gas. Now when i come back home of course, I barely break 300 on a full tank lol
To answer your question, randomly, but I consistently watch the MPG meter, cruise does not matter IMO. And again.. my point is not trying to reach a magic 36MPG, point is my CVT PZEV does not reach an avg 30mpg. And all my findings are hand calc.
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I own a CVT 2.0i 2012 Impreza. Good job sir. Do you not understand that driver accounts for a majority of your MPG?
Yep. I figure no driver, no mpg. Seriously, that's why the Consumer Reports comparison. Same real world situation, same professional drivers, same results. All except the Impreza that is.

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I care about time, but does 1-2min on your commute really make a difference?
1-2 minutes for every 10 miles you mean? Over the course of 200,000 or so miles, I would say yes.

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sure it adds up, but so does taking dumps each morning
Yep, I think we have an obsession in our midst..
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To answer your question, randomly, but I consistently watch the MPG meter, cruise does not matter IMO. And again.. my point is not trying to reach a magic 36MPG, point is my CVT PZEV does not reach an avg 30mpg. And all my findings are hand calc.
Thats interesting.......

Cruise does matter IMO much better than foot controlled. Hows your AVG MPG? I know the cruise on MPG will never show a stable number as it has to keep applying gas, but still gives me over 30mpg no problem..
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Yep. I figure no driver, no mpg. Seriously, that's why the Consumer Reports comparison. Same real world situation, same professional drivers, same results. All except the Impreza that is.

1-2 minutes for every 10 miles you mean? Over the course of 200,000 or so miles, I would say yes.

Yep, I think we have an obsession in our midst..
okay......

Sure over 200,000miles, definitely, but no matter what, something will take your time. Traffic for example. No matter what, there is lots of dead time in everything.. Waiting in line for food, waiting to purchase things, etc..

Sorry i can't help cure your obsession for trying to find teenage girls.. Definitely picked up the wrong car man. Should've been a white Ford van.
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Thats interesting.......

Cruise does matter IMO much better than foot controlled. Hows your AVG MPG? I know the cruise on MPG will never show a stable number as it has to keep applying gas, but still gives me over 30mpg no problem..
Done both with same results, with achieving less than expected MPG's did what most intelligent people would do, try both. Same results.
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Done both with same results, with achieving less than expected MPG's did what most intelligent people would do, try both. Same results.
Your location is NY, so i'm guessing traffic is bad too? Lots of stop lights?
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Done both with same results, with achieving less than expected MPG's did what most intelligent people would do, try both. Same results.
I suppose it would be different for flatlanders who could put it in manual 6th and it would keep up the speed, but a little tiny grade is all it takes to not keep up, or in auto for the engine to start winding up...
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To answer your question, randomly, but I consistently watch the MPG meter, cruise does not matter IMO. And again.. my point is not trying to reach a magic 36MPG, point is my CVT PZEV does not reach an avg 30mpg. And all my findings are hand calc.
My average mpg is 2-3mpg (10%) better when I use cruise control.

But isn't your commute in a lot of traffic, hence why you didn't want to drive a stick anymore? You probably don't get a chance to use the cruise
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To answer your question, randomly, but I consistently watch the MPG meter, cruise does not matter IMO. And again.. my point is not trying to reach a magic 36MPG, point is my CVT PZEV does not reach an avg 30mpg. And all my findings are hand calc.
coming late to some of this back and forth, but i'm curious vwgti: what do you see instantaneous on a flat road driving in the 60-65mph range. do you see 40ish mpg on the instant readout (with some fluctuations of course)? if not, something is amiss with your car. (even though i also agree that the 36mpg is a bit on the high side relative to other car EPA estimates)

regardless, if you find you can't get 30mpg average driving at snail's pace for a highway trip, i agree: you have a beef with SOA. something is wrong with your car, PZEV or not, even if Subaru inflated the numbers or gamed the system.
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Your location is NY, so i'm guessing traffic is bad too? Lots of stop lights?
20 Mile commute, 90% is highway, 10% side roads with lights, consistenly beat 30+ MPG with 2010 GTI 6spd rated much lower. Please dont start with prem fuel, fwd, etc... MPG ratings are MPG ratings. And I can promise you I drive much slower in the impreza.
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My average mpg is 2-3mpg (10%) better when I use cruise control.

But isn't your commute in a lot of traffic, hence why you didn't want to drive a stick anymore? You probably don't get a chance to use the cruise
No I do use the CC on some of the commute, but sometimes it is just not safe to do so.. and I find that the CC sometimes is less efficient. Believe me, I have done sample tests even on weekends. I dont dissagree that cc can help avg mpg, just my samples have not proved that either is better. I appreciate what you are trying to say though. Just found doesn't make a difference.
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coming late to some of this back and forth, but i'm curious vwgti: what do you see instantaneous on a flat road driving in the 60-65mph range. do you see 40ish mpg on the instant readout (with some fluctuations of course)? if not, something is amiss with your car. (even though i also agree that the 36mpg is a bit on the high side relative to other car EPA estimates)

regardless, if you find you can't get 30mpg average driving at snail's pace for a highway trip, i agree: you have a beef with SOA. something is wrong with your car, PZEV or not, even if Subaru inflated the numbers or gamed the system.
yes, on the highway if I hit the instantaneious setting I can easily hit 40ish. After fill up driving home have hit AVG 38MPG on the display.. means nothing though. Next morning start the car, drive less than a 2 miles.. car drops like a rock to 33,then 32 then 31 in .03 increments if that matters.. point being the display means nothing... hand calc.... over and over.. best tank was just less than 28mpg. Truley dissapointing. I would like to say this.. the displays in any car means nothing. True AVG MPG is done by filling the tank, driving, then refueling, taking the gallons added and deviding by the amount of fuel added. Not rocket science, and if done repeatidly will give you consistent AVG MPG. Sorry if most know this but feel many may not know this and post just on display readings.
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