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Old 07-30-2013, 08:02 PM   #4651
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If i was as miserable as you with the car i would have traded it a long time ago buddy. Not sure what you are trying to prove...the car will have a better resale value with some warranty left on it. Maybe you should buy Steve's Corolla, i hear it's for sale!
Thanks for the suggestion. I am not miserable, just pointing out that this car is not fun to drive IMO and does not provide awesome MPG's either. It is basic transportation, like a Corolla, so that won't resolve my issue. Dont worry I will be ok. Thanks again though.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:10 PM   #4652
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When I say 3k-4k rpm I meant from a stop to speed limit (0 to 45) then just cruise from there. And if I need to accelerate while cruising it only goes 2.5k to 3k i.e. 30-50 MPH. I get Marathon gas most times I know my area they lace most places if not all with ethanol. I also do leave the AC all the time. My WRX AC was leaking r134 so I rarely run AC on that so maybe that's the difference, lol. But still I hope an oil change would help, I'm at 5k miles and have not change yet.
as i noted previously, based on what you have suggested, i think something is wrong with your car and maybe the programming. did you run the test i suggested?

--> find a flat stretch of highway, set the cruise to 65mph, and let us know what you see on the instantaneous Mileage reported by the computer. while it will fluctuate somewhat, it should read something between 35-45 MPG.

if your car doesn't achieve something in that range, i'd bring it to the dealer and demonstrate it to them. maybe the ECU needs to be flashed/reprogrammed.

even at 2k on my odometer, i got 40mpg on a trip averaging 60-65mph.

even driving 80mph, you should be seeing ~30 MPG.
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Old 07-30-2013, 09:38 PM   #4653
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3k-4k sounds high. especially for cvt, unless you have a lead foot. My guess is: you have a lead foot.
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:08 PM   #4654
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My bad fuel economy is a 2013 CVT Sport Limited Wagon. Not sure if trim has been discussed yet. Like Wagon might be lower mpg? Being Sport, maybe they have a different fuel map or something? Maybe it could even be the rim disparity. Still debating if I should take the loss and get the STI if I'm going to get bad mpg anyway. Like I said my previous 2002 Sedan wrx manual got better mileage.
The wagon does get slightly worse mpg, but less than one mpg. The OD of the wheels are really close to the same so that's not it.
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People talk like its my driving habit (like 3k - 4k rpm 70% of the time, other is slower rate).
Yeah, that's their excuse if they believe in the infallibility of Subaru - especially the 5MT drivers that get better mpg.
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The result, my 2002 Sedan 227 HP WRX still get slightly better mpg is the sad part. My new 2013 gets about 19-22 mpg (19 city, 22 hwy).
Welcome to the club... Your mpg's should increase by a couple of mpg over the next 10,000+ miles, if it's a typical engine.
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:36 PM   #4655
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The wagon does get slightly worse mpg, but less than one mpg. The OD of the wheels are really close to the same so that's not it.

Yeah, that's their excuse if they believe in the infallibility of Subaru - especially the 5MT drivers that get better mpg.


Welcome to the club... Your mpg's should increase by a couple of mpg over the next 10,000+ miles, if it's a typical engine.
What?! If Im an outlier, then this kid is an outlier at the other end. You act like these numbers are typical. lol Even you steve have to agree that 20mpg is egregiously low.
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:39 PM   #4656
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I can't get that low with my 2013 cvt sport even driving it as hard in m mode as I can. Talking about 3-4000 RPM'S, I'm talking 5500-6000 RPM'S and can't get that low. Maybe fuel grades would make that much of a difference, I only use 91 oct non ethanol fuel. Maybe 87 oct 10% ethanol would get that much worse. Idk. These cars do not have ethanol tunes in them so that can't be the difference. Idk
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:05 PM   #4657
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What?! If Im an outlier, then this kid is an outlier at the other end. You act like these numbers are typical. lol Even you steve have to agree that 20mpg is egregiously low.
You're right - 22 mpg is lower than I ever got on a round trip. It's a heck of a lot closer than what you get though!
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Old 07-31-2013, 06:39 AM   #4658
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You're right - 22 mpg is lower than I ever got on a round trip. It's a heck of a lot closer than what you get though!
Didn't you said before that driving at 60-70 you did get good numbers ( hell you got 50 mpgs once!) but that your time was too valuable to drive slow.
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Old 07-31-2013, 07:07 AM   #4659
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Yes I can going slow under ideal conditions. On a flat and level road, no wind, clean car, good summer gas, no AC, at over 5,000 ft elevation I can get 50 mpg easily at 40 mph.

However, just a little bit of a grade or headwind the CVT starts gearing down and mpg goes to heck.

P.S. under ideal conditions I save $3.50 per hour by slowing down from 75 to 40. Is your time not worth that?

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Old 07-31-2013, 01:47 PM   #4660
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Yes I can going slow under ideal conditions. On a flat and level road, no wind, clean car, good summer gas, no AC, at over 5,000 ft elevation I can get 50 mpg easily at 40 mph.

However, just a little bit of a grade or headwind the CVT starts gearing down and mpg goes to heck.

P.S. under ideal conditions I save $3.50 per hour by slowing down from 75 to 40. Is your time not worth that?
Maybe your car is broke, it seems like on the highway you can only drive it 80mph or 40mph.

Since you seem to love averages, why not try somewhere in the middle, cause it seems like those CVT drivers who report meeting and exceeding the EPA HWY mpg numbers are driving between 60-70mph...(most report ~65-70mph)

It might surprise you that you can get the same mpg's that they do, once you drive it in a similar way.

I know your time is invaluable, try it on your day off.

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Old 07-31-2013, 02:39 PM   #4661
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You're right - 22 mpg is lower than I ever got on a round trip. It's a heck of a lot closer than what you get though!
Well... agree to disagree. 40mpg is not impossible to attain as you personally have proven, but 22 highway mpg is close to impossible (very difficult at best)to achieve according to G2Spfld.
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Old 07-31-2013, 03:36 PM   #4662
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I get high 30s at 65 mph, low 30s at 75 and 25-28 in town. I've never gotten low 20s. My car is magical or the low scoring cars are broken or driving habits are suboptimal. Pretty sure mine isn't magical... Both remaining options can be fixed.
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Old 07-31-2013, 04:03 PM   #4663
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If I'm only going to work, and short trips around town, it'll be 22-23 mpg. I have a very short commute, and the engine only JUST heats up by time I get to work and home.

But, I also know I can hit 50 average mpg under ideal conditions on highway, no wind, 60 mph, no crazy hills, E0 summer gas. My overall Fuelly over 15k miles now is sitting just above 29 mpg.

I'm perfectly happy with it, but yes, it can get terrible mpg. Before the engine heats up, it sucks down the gas like no other.
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:36 PM   #4664
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Yes I can going slow under ideal conditions. On a flat and level road, no wind, clean car, good summer gas, no AC, at over 5,000 ft elevation I can get 50 mpg easily at 40 mph.

However, just a little bit of a grade or headwind the CVT starts gearing down and mpg goes to heck.

P.S. under ideal conditions I save $3.50 per hour by slowing down from 75 to 40. Is your time not worth that?
Well i drive 40 in 40 zones, 50 in 50 zones, 60 well i think you know where i'm going with this so by following the speed limits i still manage to meet or beat the epa numbers. And no my time isn't so valuable that i have to drive seriously above the speed limits and endanger my life and others on the road. But eh, that's just me!
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Well... agree to disagree. 40mpg is not impossible to attain as you personally have proven, but 22 highway mpg is close to impossible (very difficult at best)to achieve according to G2Spfld.
True story- this tank mostly city with short 5-10 mile hwy trips and I've tried to get as bad as I can to test. I've had air on the whole time, and half way into it I'm at 27.8 comp. last few tanks the most comp was off was by 8 tenths. I'm still running good non ethanol 91 oct. I'm not going to change that.
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Old 07-31-2013, 06:42 PM   #4666
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If I'm only going to work, and short trips around town, it'll be 22-23 mpg. I have a very short commute, and the engine only JUST heats up by time I get to work and home.

But, I also know I can hit 50 average mpg under ideal conditions on highway, no wind, 60 mph, no crazy hills, E0 summer gas. My overall Fuelly over 15k miles now is sitting just above 29 mpg.

I'm perfectly happy with it, but yes, it can get terrible mpg. Before the engine heats up, it sucks down the gas like no other.
But...... I never drive it till its warmed up. I'm sure it has a warm up tune in it, driving during that cycle might accomplish the pettifog some are trying to make.
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Well i drive 40 in 40 zones, 50 in 50 zones, 60 well i think you know where i'm going with this so by following the speed limits i still manage to meet or beat the epa numbers. And no my time isn't so valuable that i have to drive seriously above the speed limits and endanger my life and others on the road. But eh, that's just me!
Generally that's what I do as well - close anyway. It's safer to drive with traffic than slower than traffic. To a certain extent it's safer driving faster as well, because you know you're going faster than the rest of the traffic so you are watching for slower cars. It's those driving slower than traffic that cause (or are involved with anyway) the most problems, because there are always people not paying attention - talking etc. on their phone.

Some days on my commute driving 80 is slower than most of the traffic. Sometimes I won't even try to keep up with a group of cars. We're still a lot slower than the Autobahn though... Out west things are kinda spread out - states typically have dozens of acres per person.
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Some days on my commute driving 80 is slower than most of the traffic. Sometimes I won't even try to keep up with a group of cars. We're still a lot slower than the Autobahn though... Out west things are kinda spread out - states typically have dozens of acres per person.
mpg for speed . com does the math for you:

http://www.mpgforspeed.com/

A car rated 36mpg Hwy is expected to yield approx. 25.9 mpg's when it is driven at 80mph.

how close is their generic calculation to what you achieve with your impreza?
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mpg for speed . com does the math for you:

http://www.mpgforspeed.com/

A car rated 36mpg Hwy is expected to yield approx. 25.9 mpg's when it is driven at 80mph.

how close is their generic calculation to what you achieve with your impreza?
Speed and mpgs related, nonsense
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mpg for speed . com does the math for you:

http://www.mpgforspeed.com/

A car rated 36mpg Hwy is expected to yield approx. 25.9 mpg's when it is driven at 80mph.

how close is their generic calculation to what you achieve with your impreza?
That's an interesting site! I think its kind of hard to argue with the trained professionals ;-) that put this info together. According to these facts, my sport greatly exceeded its mpg rating on my last trip. And thanks to its AWD I didn't need to slow down in the torrential rainfall I hit on way home.
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mpg for speed . com does the math for you:

http://www.mpgforspeed.com/

A car rated 36mpg Hwy is expected to yield approx. 25.9 mpg's when it is driven at 80mph.

how close is their generic calculation to what you achieve with your impreza?
You know, I've brought this up more than once before, but that site is lame.
For one thing, the increase in fuel usage is not exponential as they say - it is subject to the power rule, squared actually.

While we're at it we might as well shoot some more holes in it.

2. They say: "You'd be surprised to learn that a slight decrease in your highway driving speed can significantly reduce your gas consumption, while only adding a few minutes to your travel time."

Plug in even their formulas to time saved vs extra gas used and see what you save by slowing down - Squat, unless you make less than minimum wage. Take one hour of travel time at your mpg for spending in fuel, then subtract from it the amount of fuel used at the slower speed times the additional time (60 mph takes 25% longer to get somewhere than 75 mph. Then divide those dollars by the time saved and you get the money you have saved per hour.

3. "According to studies backed by the department of energy, the average car will be at its advertised MPG at 55 mph"
conflicts with Consumer Reports:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2477627

4. They say: "If the national speed limit were reset to 55, it would save 1 billion barrels of oil per year." Does that include the additional savings from all the people who don't have to go to work any more because of the effect on the economy, like last time?

5. I'm not sure where they got the graph on that site, but it conflicts with this one from http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/image...pg_2012_sm.jpg



6. But then, even on that site they quoted, they say this:
"You can assume that each 5 mph you drive over 50 mph is like paying an additional $0.25 per gallon for gas."

I guess they think that's the same whether one gets 10 mpg in a 1 ton pickup or 50 mpg in, say, a Prius. I think not.

That's most of an inning in strike outs.

Zeeper, that means you are not even ignorant. You're just ignernt.
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Definitely ignernt.
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Maybe your car is broke, it seems like on the highway you can only drive it 80mph or 40mph.
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When I turn on the AC:
At 40 mph my mpg decreases 8.7%
At 60 mph my mpg decreases 7.5%
At 80 mph my mpg decreases 3.8%

In all cases the money saved by turning off the AC amounted to less than 50 an hour, and averaged less than 30 an hour
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You know, I've brought this up more than once before, but that site is lame.
For one thing, the increase in fuel usage is not exponential as they say - it is subject to the power rule, squared actually.

2. They say: "You'd be surprised to learn that a slight decrease in your highway driving speed can significantly reduce your gas consumption, while only adding a few minutes to your travel time."

Plug in even their formulas to time saved vs extra gas used and see what you save by slowing down - Squat, unless you make less than minimum wage. Take one hour of travel time at your mpg for spending in fuel, then subtract from it the amount of fuel used at the slower speed times the additional time (60 mph takes 25% longer to get somewhere than 75 mph. Then divide those dollars by the time saved and you get the money you have saved per hour.
Wow, sounds like you need your own site, titled: "Drive fast, you use more gas, but your time is worth it! With the time you save, you can sit in front of a computer and complain about your poor fuel economy!".com

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3. "According to studies backed by the department of energy, the average car will be at its advertised MPG at 55 mph"
conflicts with Consumer Reports:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2477627
I am beginning to think that you believe Consumer Reports is infallible. However, this is strange to me, as they highly recommend the impreza for its excellent fuel economy. I guess all religions have inconsistencies.

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4. They say: "If the national speed limit were reset to 55, it would save 1 billion barrels of oil per year." Does that include the additional savings from all the people who don't have to go to work any more because of the effect on the economy, like last time?
Your time is so valuable, yet you waste tons of it here, on a site, complaining about a problem and filing paperwork with the EPA that will yield you nothing. Add that to the inconsistencies...

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5. I'm not sure where they got the graph on that site, but it conflicts with this one from
That is your blinders on again. It tells you where they got the graph, from fueleconomy.gov.

But since we both know (wink, wink) that our government is a Kenyan socialist communist marxist conspiracy and nothing the government does, vis a vis speed limits to reduce gas use, or emissions standards that clean the air while reducing mpg's, or stockpiling ammunition, etc...

Oh you already know all of this, right?

LOL

As for the effect of poor driving choices on fuel economy, including speeding to save time...this is also off the fuel economy.gov site, but comes from motorweek (probably also kenyan marxist islamic conspiricists...)

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/video...small_wide.wmv


P.S. By the way, nice dodge, the question I asked was: "How close is their generic calculation to what you achieve with your impreza?" (when you drive it 80mph on the highway)

That lame-ass site guestimates 25.9mpg, how close are they to what you get?

Are you afraid to answer?

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Old 08-01-2013, 07:27 AM   #4674
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Just had my first 400 mile tank. Averaged around 32mpg and that was after a 2 hour traffic jam with the A/C on on the way to the beach for the DMB show. Didn't move 10 miles in 2 hours. Who know what it would've been if not for that.
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Just had my first 400 mile tank. Averaged around 32mpg and that was after a 2 hour traffic jam with the A/C on on the way to the beach for the DMB show. Didn't move 10 miles in 2 hours. Who know what it would've been if not for that.
Someone tested the fuel usage at idle over the winter, it was like .17gal/hr, don't quote me on that though I didn't find the thread before posting the number. Either way it is extremely low, so it doesn't have a lot of effect on total mpg. Idle isn't the problem, stop and go (normal city driving is)
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