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Old 04-26-2012, 11:42 PM   #551
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assuming some of you have seen the other MPG thread already, but for those of you who dont stray away from the impreza subforum, here it is http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...7#post36992227 . apparently there is an acceleration problem that could affect city MPG's. accelerating to 40 and keeping a 25-50% throttle wil keep the rpms around 3K but when you get to 40 mph the rpms drop off to about 2k. i have notice this and never knew it to be a problem. i never thought of it. there is a TSB on reflashing the TCM and the ECM to help improve MPG's. anyone have this issue and anyone who doesnt have this issue post up your mpg, so we can tell if the tsb is working or not.
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Old 04-27-2012, 07:07 AM   #552
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Every car listed is apples to oranges. What, you mean I bought this sporty turbo VW golf when they have a frugal TDI diesel available?! There is an econobox alternative to the Lancer EVO?! Good God that is about the dumbest article I have read in a long time.
My favorite is how the article says you could buy a mini van instead of a maszdaspeed3 for the same price HP and mpg.....
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Old 04-27-2012, 02:07 PM   #553
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30.14 mpg on the last 12 Gallon fillup.
About 95% of that was long trip freeway nursing it along.
The 5% was normal brutal short REAL city hops, for this "mixed".
Does it live up to its EPA rating? Not even close.
Is that respectable mileage for a fun small AWD?
Meh, its ok. Still better than most competition, without going hybrid.

I am VERY interested to hear how the computer flash TSB works for city mileage.

Meanwhile the trick to getting good mileage with this car is to go everywhere by a long freeway route :-)
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Old 04-27-2012, 02:19 PM   #554
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30.14 mpg on the last 12 Gallon fillup.
About 95% of that was long trip freeway nursing it along.
The 5% was normal brutal short REAL city hops, for this "mixed".
Does it live up to its EPA rating? Not even close.
Is that respectable mileage for a fun small AWD?
Meh, its ok. Still better than most competition, without going hybrid.

I am VERY interested to hear how the computer flash TSB works for city mileage.

Meanwhile the trick to getting good mileage with this car is to go everywhere by a long freeway route :-)
thom: a few questions:

- how fast were the speeds on the 95% highway stretch?
- using A/C?
- how many people/cargo in the car?

- when was your car built and when did you take delivery?

i agree: unless you were driving over 75 and had a huge load with A/C? 30mpg is really very far off of EPA.

i have no real trips to compare, and i'm assuming my car, built in feb 2012 has the firmware updates, gets in the 29 range overall with mixed driving. when cruising at 65mph, i am guessing that i can probably get 40ish mpg based on the instantaneous readout and ECO gauge. i will definitely try to report back some real world highway only miles when i take a "test trip" to monterey next month (i have driven many cars on this route where i will drive 70mph on stretches with some 60mph stretches thrown in).
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Old 04-27-2012, 03:51 PM   #555
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thom: a few questions:

- how fast were the speeds on the 95% highway stretch?
- using A/C?
- how many people/cargo in the car?

- when was your car built and when did you take delivery?

i agree: unless you were driving over 75 and had a huge load with A/C? 30mpg is really very far off of EPA.

i have no real trips to compare, and i'm assuming my car, built in feb 2012 has the firmware updates, gets in the 29 range overall with mixed driving. when cruising at 65mph, i am guessing that i can probably get 40ish mpg based on the instantaneous readout and ECO gauge. i will definitely try to report back some real world highway only miles when i take a "test trip" to monterey next month (i have driven many cars on this route where i will drive 70mph on stretches with some 60mph stretches thrown in).
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I find it fascinating that no one asks for all these details when someone slaps down a claim for unusually GOOD milage.
Details of most of the freeway mileage is in my previous post. Add to that a few 60 mph shorter freeway trips by my wife. I am quite happy with being able to hypermile 34.5 mpg with a CVT on a long freeway run by drafti.g a lot. But it takes very very little city driving to pull that mixed number down.
I do NOT consider going 45mph on light traffic roads to be "city", but thats just me.
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Old 04-27-2012, 04:04 PM   #556
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I find it fascinating that no one asks for all these details when someone slaps down a claim for unusually GOOD milage.
Details of most of the freeway mileage is in my previous post. Add to that a few 60 mph shorter freeway trips by my wife. I am quite happy with being able to hypermile 34.5 mpg with a CVT on a long freeway run by drafti.g a lot. But it takes very very little city driving to pull that mixed number down.
I do NOT consider going 45mph on light traffic roads to be "city", but thats just me.
hi thom, did i miss a prior post where you noted speed of the 95% highway stretch? (nursing along = ???)

you are right: i am guilty of not always stating info like AC or passenger/cargo load, when i've bragged about good mileage in my cars. i think i can be on the high side of things because my wife and i are fairly light and most of my driving is solo with very little extra in the car.

on my honda civic, A/C cut mileage from 43 mpg down to 40 mpg when driven at a 60-65mph average (never exceeding 70). i'll be curious what i get with this car in a few weeks, and see if it improves, as SOA is claiming when it breaks in.

so far, when solo, i've seen "40s" (that bounce around some) sustained on highway stretches with me driving solo with no AC.

FWIW: i don't often draft to hypermile in the interest of safety (and my own lack of skill), and i am still re-tooling my highway driving habits in this CVT after having driven stick for too many of the past years.
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Old 04-27-2012, 04:16 PM   #557
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Oops, math oversight on my part .
30.14mpg wascalculated milage and the usual approx 1.8mpg below the optimistic gage.
34.5mpg for my freeway trip portion of that was gage milage, which would be about 32.7mpg calculated, pure freeway, long warm trip driving CVT solo.

I normally get OVER EPA on my Honda Element.

I think people would be much happier and MOST bought the awd Impreza anyway, if they ,had sold it as a more realistic 22/27/32 mpg. And even that is being slightly optimistic if you go by calculated mileage.

The instantaneous gage is meaningless and worthless. I can get it to read 14mpg or 99mpg easily.
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Old 04-27-2012, 04:48 PM   #558
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I think people would be much happier and MOST bought the awd Impreza anyway, if they ,had sold it as a more realistic 22/27/32 mpg. And even that is being slightly optimistic if you go by calculated mileage.
If the Window sticker said that, I would have bought a Legacy Now by no means is the Legacy perfect, however I think its closer to it's EPA numbers in average driving then the Impreza is.
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Old 04-27-2012, 05:00 PM   #559
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Oops, math oversight on my part .
30.14mpg wascalculated milage and the usual approx 1.8mpg below the optimistic gage.
34.5mpg for my freeway trip portion of that was gage milage, which would be about 32.7mpg calculated, pure freeway, long warm trip driving CVT solo.

I normally get OVER EPA on my Honda Element.

I think people would be much happier and MOST bought the awd Impreza anyway, if they ,had sold it as a more realistic 22/27/32 mpg. And even that is being slightly optimistic if you go by calculated mileage.

The instantaneous gage is meaningless and worthless. I can get it to read 14mpg or 99mpg easily.
Thom, the car is obviously not doing well for you, but my sticker would read 25/30/36 (though I doubt I'll see 25 ever again now with the car broken in). I guess you missed my post (this past monday) where I drove around town, put 60 miles on the car and had a gauge reading 38.x (yes, actual calculated would have been about 36.x) when I garaged it? I don't know what the average speed was but know it wouldn't have been much above 40mph either. at 60-65 the car gives me at or above 40mpg readout, and my last fill was 31.4mpg over 360 miles of driving. How many miles do you have on your car at this point?

the instant gauge I find to be infinitely valuable, so to each his own.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:54 PM   #560
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we should think about consolidating our two mileage threads somehow...

just did my third tank up today:

10.38gal
305.1mi
29.4mpg calculated, 30.6mpg on the computer
[ave speed for tank is 27 mph with about half of the miles driven with A/C on]

to be fair, i actually added a little after the click (0.13gal) to get to a round dollar since i paid cash. so, since the last tank was based on click, this tank, within error could be 29.8mpg... but i'm sure this will all average out in the end if i get back to buying from this station and my usual method of rounding to the nearest dollar for change purposes.

overall, the computer says i've gotten 30.0mpg overall, fuelly gives me 29.0, so my discrepancy is a little smaller than some of the others thus far. i still haven't done the definitive GPS test, but my small sample suggests a 2-3% error in under-predicting distance. if so, then my computer is even closer to reality.
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Old 04-27-2012, 09:34 PM   #561
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in this website http://www.cars101.com/subaru/imprez...tml#mechanical . the tires used on the impreza are listed as low rolling resistant. but on the tirerack website, they are not. anyone know what is up with that?
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:27 PM   #562
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Thom, the car is obviously not doing well for you, but my sticker would read 25/30/36 (though I doubt I'll see 25 ever again now with the car broken in). I guess you missed my post (this past monday) where I drove around town, put 60 miles on the car and had a gauge reading 38.x (yes, actual calculated would have been about 36.x) when I garaged it? I don't know what the average speed was but know it wouldn't have been much above 40mph either. at 60-65 the car gives me at or above 40mpg readout, and my last fill was 31.4mpg over 360 miles of driving. How many miles do you have on your car at this point?

the instant gauge I find to be infinitely valuable, so to each his own.

are you referencing your 4/23 post where you stated "My overall calculated average on fuelly is now 28.4mpg, 4 of the last 6 tanks over 30mpg and the last tank, 362 miles traveled, was 31.4 (best yet - note, gauge read 33.3). After fill-up this morning I've done about 65 miles of driving, and the gauge was reading 38.7 as I backed into the garage. Mostly highway. I am completely happy with the capability of the car, however..."

most people don't drive 60 miles in the average day "around town" and I can't imagine staying downtown Minneapolis for 60 miles without hitting freeway....as you stated you did hit freeway...in fact you said mostly freeway. (unless this is another 60 mile day reference)
And then there are the hills of Minneapolis...oh yah there aren't any.

So really your Fuelly number agrees with my statement pretty much(22/27/32). I notice Fuelly still has the Impreza at 27.3 overall average and most of the input is greater than 50% highway driving listings.

and WE have NOT been running the AC yet, even on the all highway run I did.

22/27/32 is respectable for an AWD, not EPA, not spectacular, but respectable. Actually, if that EPA city number was a bit higher and/or more easily attainable, it would be spectacular. We have resigned ourselves to its "OK" mileage. and figure at least its a FUN car to drive. but I know a LOT of people that cancelled their plans to buy an Impreza based on our mileage experience.

Of course maybe in the low traffic, steady 35-55mph, warm but pre-AC days, in the flat midwest, laid back driving, its a whole different world.
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I think people would be much happier and MOST bought the awd Impreza anyway, if they ,had sold it as a more realistic 22/27/32 mpg. And even that is being slightly optimistic if you go by calculated mileage.
If the Window sticker said that, I would have bought a Legacy Now by no means is the Legacy perfect, however I think its closer to it's EPA numbers in average driving then the Impreza is.
DITTO!!!! Although I love me a hatchback.... but still.
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:54 PM   #564
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Devo, my wife drives one of these. We brought it to a meet one time, you must not have been there. We are very happy with it. If you want let me know when you are coming to a meet and we can bring it.
My wife also wants one pretty badly. We have a very low interest rate on our Foz and owe less than its worth - but renewing a loan term to save some money on gas....Mr. Fico says "son, I am disappoint."
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hi thom, did i miss a prior post where you noted speed of the 95% highway stretch? (nursing along = ???)
thom52 never posts data, just diatribe. I and others have asked about the trip numbers for avg mph. He's already talked about short trips that never even get the car warm. It's just endless complaining. He needs to dump the Imp and get a prius or leaf.
"blah blah blah REAL city driving etc blah blah"
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Mission accomplished?
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most people don't drive 60 miles in the average day "around town" and I can't imagine staying downtown Minneapolis for 60 miles without hitting freeway....as you stated you did hit freeway...in fact you said mostly freeway. (unless this is another 60 mile day reference)
And then there are the hills of Minneapolis...oh yah there aren't any.

So really your Fuelly number agrees with my statement pretty much(22/27/32). I notice Fuelly still has the Impreza at 27.3 overall average and most of the input is greater than 50% highway driving listings.

but I know a LOT of people that cancelled their plans to buy an Impreza based on our mileage experience.

Of course maybe in the low traffic, steady 35-55mph, warm but pre-AC days, in the flat midwest, laid back driving, its a whole different world.
its too bad you've turned off multiple people from owning a great car that gets great mpg in an awd package - can you name a better awd car?

I've gone to 2 twins games in heavy traffic this week (along with my noted 38.x monday escapades) and still show 33.6 after 310 miles on the tank (so will be about 32mpg). The average mph is at 35.

Face it, you're still in break-in, whoever drives the car probably has a lead foot and you're probably averaging 18mph a tank. fess up! just because you have the worst mpg of any owner, doesn't mean that is what every owner should expect to get. If we told you to come back when you hit 5000 miles, how long would it be before you returned to the forum?

You live in the mountainous region of kirkland, wa is that right? the same one with elevations from 14 to 500 ft? Here in the twin cities area the elevation ranges from 1,376 feet (419 m) above sea level in the northwest metro to 666 feet (203 m) at the edge of the Mississippi River in the southeast, that would be 710 feet in range (and guess what I drove through all of it on monday, hah). its called wikipedia.
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its too bad you've turned off multiple people from owning a great car that gets great mpg in an awd package - can you name a better awd car?

I've gone to 2 twins games in heavy traffic this week (along with my noted 38.x monday escapades) and still show 33.6 after 310 miles on the tank (so will be about 32mpg). The average mph is at 35.

Face it, you're still in break-in, whoever drives the car probably has a lead foot and you're probably averaging 18mph a tank. fess up! just because you have the worst mpg of any owner, doesn't mean that is what every owner should expect to get. If we told you to come back when you hit 5000 miles, how long would it be before you returned to the forum?

You live in the mountainous region of kirkland, wa is that right? the same one with elevations from 14 to 500 ft? Here in the twin cities area the elevation ranges from 1,376 feet (419 m) above sea level in the northwest metro to 666 feet (203 m) at the edge of the Mississippi River in the southeast, that would be 710 feet in range (and guess what I drove through all of it on monday, hah). its called wikipedia.
I may have the 2nd worst numbers to thom. But he's certainly not alone. The city driving & long warm ups kill the numbers on this car & I'm not driving with a lead foot & I'm at nearly 5000 miles. I think there's something wrong with my car so I'm not beating a dead horse and putting the same thing up here as much to purposely not discourage others because I know my car is not the norm. Dealer and I are looking at a few things here that I share as I come across it. & the dealer hears A LOT of these complaints, especially from December deliveries. But thom is perfectly justified in his frustration & I believe his numbers because I've seen them. But, like me, he probably loves the car otherwise as opposed to mr impatient Prius who was on here for a hot minute.
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hey SleepnMnky, i saw you posted in the other '12 impreza MPG thread in the general community subforum. have you dont the TSB's yet? did it not go well?
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Not yet. Tuesday.
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I may have the 2nd worst numbers to thom. But he's certainly not alone. The city driving & long warm ups kill the numbers on this car & I'm not driving with a lead foot & I'm at nearly 5000 miles. I think there's something wrong with my car so I'm not beating a dead horse and putting the same thing up here as much to purposely not discourage others because I know my car is not the norm. Dealer and I are looking at a few things here that I share as I come across it. & the dealer hears A LOT of these complaints, especially from December deliveries. But thom is perfectly justified in his frustration & I believe his numbers because I've seen them. But, like me, he probably loves the car otherwise as opposed to mr impatient Prius who was on here for a hot minute.
I agree with the cold start and short trip bad mpg - I know the car has the capability to be even better, even for those of us with good mpgs - the constant negative tone is the drag. Posting about how all imprezas are awful and the sticker should read such and such is just not considering all owners, many of which are happy with pretty much every aspect of the car. Pointing out that the fuelly average is relatively low is moot too, since 75% of them have less than 10 fill-ups - and 95 cars is also still not statistically significant given there are probably about 30000 on the road in the US by now. We're all flogging our own dead horses anyway, think I'll just go back to my camera forums now.
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Not yet. Tuesday.
looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the update - getting rid of that damn hill assist alone will make me happy if nothing else! I'm getting tired of dropping it to 5th or 6th running downhill.
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... - the constant negative tone is the drag.
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think I'll just go back to my camera forums now.

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I'm up in Minneapolis as well and put close to 70 miles on per day from home to school with kids, to work, and then home. I imagine 50-50 highway and city? I spend more than 50% of the time on freeway, but some of that is stop-n-go traffic.

The single biggest thing hurting us is the temperature. Many have said it. PxPaulx is seeing it!

Monday was one of the warmer days in Minneapolis. I filled up Monday afternoon. In the 35 miles commuting home I had 39.1 on the average mpg readout. Tuesday was warm too with a morning temp around 50F. The average mpg stayed around 38.7 if I recall.

When the temperature is 30ish, the first 5?? miles of my commute I watch the average drop about 1 to 2mpg. Then the rest of the commute it slowly comes back up. The afternoon commute home isn't as bad. I loose at most 1mpg on the average (temp 55ish) at the start and then make it back up and maybe some of the morning loss too.

This isn't anything new for Subaru. My 2001 Outback did the same thing. I just didn't have gauges to watch, other than the gas gauge. In the winter I swear I could watch it go down on cold mornings. Winter mpg is 23ish (really cold) and summer is 29mpg for that outback yet today.

Once I get another tank to two I'll post numbers, I'll also try to keep note of the temperature. From what I've seen if you have a short commute (under 6?? miles) and its cool or cold (under 40F ??) the gas mileage will suffer.

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