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Old 05-10-2012, 10:55 AM   #776
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Im currently on my third tank so it still early, but Im pretty satisfied with my mileage so far. I have a 5 door cvt limited, now with about 800 miles on it, used primarily commuting about 20 miles into Boston so thats a mix of highway, backed up stop and go traffic traffic and city driving. Averaging 33 mpg on dash, and about 32 calculated. Notice a huge drop at initial start and warm up and poor mileage for short trips.
The only thing Im not liking is the aggressive downshifting when coasting going downhill. Car was built in February.
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Old 05-10-2012, 11:10 AM   #777
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Seriously? Dont you think that leads to premature wear on other parts like your starter? Hardly seems worth it.
My thoughts, too.
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Old 05-10-2012, 11:13 AM   #778
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Uh... Am I the only one that got a maintenance plan with my Subaru for free? I was told they would do all maintenance for the first 3 years or 36,000 miles - including oil changes.
No free maintenance here. Paid 600ish under invoice and they were trying to sell me a maint. Plan. Thankfully I'll so the oil changes myself.
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Old 05-10-2012, 11:14 AM   #779
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Im currently on my third tank so it still early, but Im pretty satisfied with my mileage so far. I have a 5 door cvt limited, now with about 800 miles on it, used primarily commuting about 20 miles into Boston so thats a mix of highway, backed up stop and go traffic traffic and city driving. Averaging 33 mpg on dash, and about 32 calculated. Notice a huge drop at initial start and warm up and poor mileage for short trips.
The only thing Im not liking is the aggressive downshifting when coasting going downhill. Car was built in February.
Wow. Im surprised to Hear about your aggressive downshift on downhills since your build date is the same as mine. Granted, I haven't driven any significant sustained downhills yet.

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Old 05-10-2012, 11:27 AM   #780
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Seriously? Dont you think that leads to premature wear on other parts like your starter? Hardly seems worth it.
Agreed. Not worth it for a short wait. Similarly, downshifting on a manual. Do you want to wear out the clutch parts to save a little wear on the brake pads, which are relatively cheap and easy to replace?
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Old 05-10-2012, 11:27 AM   #781
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If you're going to idle more than 10-15 seconds, turn it off. I'll do that at lights even if I've just arrived when it turns red, it will save you gas, there is a reason manufacturers are slowly implementing auto engine shut-off when vehicles are stopped!.....snipped
Personally, I do shut off the car when I'm stopped for construction or some of the draw bridges around where I live. It seemed to make a difference when I had my gas guzzling Silverado. But on the other hand......

If the Impreza burns .5 gal an hour at Idle (just a guess) and you can reduce idling by 10 minutes a day, 365 days a year by shutting down, you save abt. 30.5 gallons per year or $122 @ $4 per gallon. Individually it doesn't seem much, but it's a huge impact when applied across millions of drivers.

One starter replacement, if you pay out of pocket, could negate a couple years of effort.
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Old 05-10-2012, 11:47 AM   #782
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:06 PM   #783
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Agreed. Not worth it for a short wait. Similarly, downshifting on a manual. Do you want to wear out the clutch parts to save a little wear on the brake pads, which are relatively cheap and easy to replace?
i agree with the idling issue, but don't agree on the downshifting.

i don't think the wear on the clutch or transmission is significant from downshifting, at least in my experience. in over two decades of having driven my prior cars with well over 100k on each car (lots of in town suburbia driving for both, so there is significant downshifting in these cars averaging maybe 9k/year), each car had their original clutch and transmission going strong after all of those miles of regularly downshifting.

while i might boast to have had the original brakes on my last honda at 109k and 12.5 years before my recent accident, with about 50% of the pad linings remaining in front (more in rear), the main purpose of downshifting and staying in gear is safety, IMHO. it's good to be in gear in case the light turns green or something happens around you which requires you to act and be in gear. i know most people don't drive this way, but i was taught that way and it became second habit with no ill effect on the transmission.

now, driving the CVT in the Impreza, i'm using my brakes more and it still take some getting used to since it's not in my reflexes to use the paddle shifters to shift down, and there is less of a safety need since the car is "ready to go" should i just hit the gas.

finally since this is a mileage thread, coming back around: i have no clue whether the downshifting helped my mileage, but my EPA rated 27/32 (using 2008 standards) old honda civic netted me about 30-31mpg overall and about 28 mpg worst case (all city driving). i'm getting in contrast about 28-29 mpg overall and about 25 mpg worst case on the Impreza which is supposedly a 27/36 rated car. 160 mile road trip which will be 90% highway coming up next week...we'll see how those highway numbers compare.
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:22 PM   #784
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Seriously? Dont you think that leads to premature wear on other parts like your starter? Hardly seems worth it.
My 2007 yaris started like new after 4 years and 80K miles, I probably did that for the 2nd half of the life of the car. I got 40mpg in that car without trying, you don't want to know what I did to get 45mpg!

Caveat that the occasions to do this, for me anyway, would maybe arise 3-5 extra times a day on a typical commute to/from work. I don't think starting the car 8-10 times vs 3 or 5 times in a day is going to have a severe effect.
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:29 PM   #785
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Personally, I do shut off the car when I'm stopped for construction or some of the draw bridges around where I live. It seemed to make a difference when I had my gas guzzling Silverado. But on the other hand......

If the Impreza burns .5 gal an hour at Idle (just a guess) and you can reduce idling by 10 minutes a day, 365 days a year by shutting down, you save abt. 30.5 gallons per year or $122 @ $4 per gallon. Individually it doesn't seem much, but it's a huge impact when applied across millions of drivers.

One starter replacement, if you pay out of pocket, could negate a couple years of effort.
Though past performance is not an indicator of future results, I've never had to replace a starter. Though I've also never kept a car more than 4 years (and usually less than that, between my wife and I the impreza is our 13th car in about 14 years - some of those were higher mileage vehicles as well).
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:33 PM   #786
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Personally, I do shut off the car when I'm stopped for construction or some of the draw bridges around where I live. It seemed to make a difference when I had my gas guzzling Silverado. But on the other hand......

If the Impreza burns .5 gal an hour at Idle (just a guess) and you can reduce idling by 10 minutes a day, 365 days a year by shutting down, you save abt. 30.5 gallons per year or $122 @ $4 per gallon. Individually it doesn't seem much, but it's a huge impact when applied across millions of drivers.

One starter replacement, if you pay out of pocket, could negate a couple years of effort.
while i agree with the concept i think you over estimate the gal / hr rate of an idling 2.0L engine. So the savings wouldnt be near as much and like alot of things proably result in people feeling it does more good than in actuality.

pxpaul: Its nice you can squeeze every last drop of dyno juice out of your vehicles but the practicality and potential longevity issues concern me. You having had 1 vehicle every year on the other side ive had 3 vehicles in 10 years. 2 of the 3 have exceeded 225k so i can say that actions over the course of years can lead to issues down the road. If you plan on keeping a car past 150k keep in mind things that can take a toll.

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Old 05-10-2012, 12:36 PM   #787
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Personally, I do shut off the car when I'm stopped for construction or some of the draw bridges around where I live. It seemed to make a difference when I had my gas guzzling Silverado. But on the other hand......

If the Impreza burns .5 gal an hour at Idle (just a guess) and you can reduce idling by 10 minutes a day, 365 days a year by shutting down, you save abt. 30.5 gallons per year or $122 @ $4 per gallon. Individually it doesn't seem much, but it's a huge impact when applied across millions of drivers.

One starter replacement, if you pay out of pocket, could negate a couple years of effort.
certainly, if i know there is going to be a long wait (like a train, or on the highway where cars pile up because of construction), i shut the car off. but i think i'd have to turn my car off up to 8 times in my 4.1 mile commute which would get tiresome and i would think ultimately put a lot of extra wear on the starter, etc. (but just guessing...not a lot of data points to back up this line of reasoning )
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:38 PM   #788
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Uh... Am I the only one that got a maintenance plan with my Subaru for free? I was told they would do all maintenance for the first 3 years or 36,000 miles - including oil changes.
You're the first one that I've seen mention they got a free maintenance plan. I would of jumped on that deal if it was offered to me even though I like doing my own maintenance. Did you have to haggle for that or did they just offer it to you?
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:40 PM   #789
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You're the first one that I've seen mention they got a free maintenance plan. I would of jumped on that deal if it was offered to me even though I like doing my own maintenance. Did you have to haggle for that or did they just offer it to you?
I got one too... but a 2 year plan. They offered it to me at a discounted price, I said no... they kept going lower until finally they gave it to me. Said they'd lose $ if they didn't utilize them.
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I got one too... but a 2 year plan. They offered it to me at a discounted price, I said no... they kept going lower until finally they gave it to me. Said they'd lose $ if they didn't utilize them.
Damn, wish my dealer would of did that for me! They asked if I wanted to purchase a plan, but they didn't push it when I said no. I did, however, purchase a 5yr/100000 mi extended bumper-to-bumper warranty.
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Old 05-10-2012, 12:48 PM   #791
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I got one too... but a 2 year plan. They offered it to me at a discounted price, I said no... they kept going lower until finally they gave it to me. Said they'd lose $ if they didn't utilize them.

2 year plan for me free of charge. They offered one longer $$$$ but i am so used to working on my own vehicles i dont mind doing oil changes and various other things. As long as they honor 3 years or 36k and the 5 year 60k mile warrenty im fine with doing the small stuff and the big stuff for that matter.
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I got one too... but a 2 year plan. They offered it to me at a discounted price, I said no... they kept going lower until finally they gave it to me. Said they'd lose $ if they didn't utilize them.
wow! that's awesome. the maintenance plans were ridiculously expensive at my dealer. can't remember the details, but it was several hundred dollars (close to 1000 or more) for 3 years and i said no. the guy selling them actually didn't pressure me at all and he said for someone like me who did my own general maintenance, it made very little sense.

but to get it for free seems incredible. i don't see how they lose any more money in not having you go there for service vs giving it to you for free. surely, they lose more money by having to service your vehicle for no cost for parts/labor?

maybe there is some marketing model which suggests they will recoup other costs from you in some other way with you getting other maintenance or things done by them.
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maybe there is some marketing model which suggests they will recoup other costs from you in some other way with you getting other maintenance or things done by them.
Its the building of trust. If they do your oil changes and various small work for 2 years they win over a few people for serious work down the road. I bet this is what they are banking on.
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Its the building of trust. If they do your oil changes and various small work for 2 years they win over a few people for serious work down the road. I bet this is what they are banking on.
yep, makes sense.

of course, in reality, for me at least, that wouldn't make too much a difference. i'd likely not change my post free period behavior: i'd shop around for 3rd party folks to do my major interval work.
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Old 05-10-2012, 01:57 PM   #795
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I got 3 years maintenance and 7 year warranty for about 900. I don't want to do my own maintenance and will probably keep the car for 8-10 years.
I'm going in Monday for the first service.
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I got 3 years maintenance and 7 year warranty for about 900. I don't want to do my own maintenance and will probably keep the car for 8-10 years.
I'm going in Monday for the first service.
that sounds like a very sound deal. even though i went into this "sales session" anticipating turning down any extended warranties or maintenance contracts, i think i would have gave it reasonable consideration in that sort of price range because that is a fair deal.
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that sounds like a very sound deal. even though i went into this "sales session" anticipating turning down any extended warranties or maintenance contracts, i think i would have gave it reasonable consideration in that sort of price range because that is a fair deal.
I've been very happy with my dealer. Every interaction with them has been great. Johnson Subaru of Cary.
They do a "no haggle" thing. I was VERY cautious going into it, had all my invoice numbers etc. The first offer they made was about $200 above my target. The maintenance and warranty deal went the same way. Sounds like a commercial I know but I'm that pleased.
Speaking of commercials, Google 'johnson badger' for some funny ones.
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I've been very happy with my dealer. Every interaction with them has been great. Johnson Subaru of Cary.
They do a "no haggle" thing. I was VERY cautious going into it, had all my invoice numbers etc. The first offer they made was about $200 above my target. The maintenance and warranty deal went the same way. Sounds like a commercial I know but I'm that pleased.
Speaking of commercials, Google 'johnson badger' for some funny ones.
i too am pleased with my dealer even though i didn't buy any maintenance or warranty plans. the sale process was very smooth and fast with no real painful haggling or negotiating. they came within $100 of what i was aiming for so i just took the offer. when i picked up the car, i was in and out, including demoing the car and taking pictures in about 45min.

don't know what their service is like, but for sales, it was the best buying experience i've ever had.

(Carlsen Subaru in Redwood City, CA)
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FYI on the SL grey wheels & stock tires: 46.2 lbs.
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FYI on the SL grey wheels & stock tires: 46.2 lbs.
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Wow. In guessing the blizzaks might even be heavier than the stock Yokos making the rim wt difference even larger?
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