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Old 02-19-2012, 02:11 PM   #101
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If you check your average mileage just before you shut off your car, and then compare that number to the mileage you have after driving the first mile the next morning, you'll find that letting the car idle for 5 minutes produces a lower number than starting the car and immediately driving it a mile. You are describing the action of the mpg average slowing dropping while you let the car idle for 5 minutes, and you haven't noticed it...
NO, that's NOT what I'm describing. I have checked the gauge the night before & I'm saying starting it & driving away without warming up pulls the number down WAY MORE than using the remote start for 5 minutes. The small amount of gas used to idle for a warm up period is LESS THAN the gas wasted by driving cold & letting the drive warm it up.
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Old 02-20-2012, 11:22 PM   #102
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First fillup = 26.4
11.5 gal
303.5 miles
Didn't get avg mph, avg mpg. I want to say the avg mpg was around 27 or 28 and avg mph was 25 or 26.
This was mostly commuting 7 miles one way with maybe 10 lights on the way.

Second fillup = 29.2
14.2 gallons
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Avg mph 48
Avg mpg 31.8
Road trip. 80/20 hwy/cty. Highway was 65-75 and instant mpg read about 33-36 on level ground with cruise.

I'm coming from a 2003 Civic that got 29-31 commuting and 33-35 on that road trip. I imagine I'll get about the same with this Subie after break in. I'm happy so far.

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Old 02-24-2012, 10:39 AM   #103
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So, been a bit warmer and my car computer is now showing 31ish overall, compared to 27-28 overall. Also went to a shell instead of a gulf for the last two tanks, so I'm not sure if that changed things. I'll keep looking at it.
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:39 PM   #104
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I'm thinking this new Impreza 2.0i may have a pretty steep bell curve for mileage and that it's pretty easy to get way worse mileage than possible. I think it's too twitchy, MPG-wise. Instead of getting incrementally bad mileage for falling off the "drive conservative" wagon, the car gets catastrophically bad mileage for our little slip-ups here and there. I chalk it up to Subaru being new to the whole mileage game. This aspect of the car disappoints me a little, but on the whole, for what we are paying for the car, I think we are getting a decent deal. I shopped a lot of cars in this price segment and I still think I made the right choice.

I am approaching driving this thing with two attitudes:
  1. It's not a race car; I don't need to be first across the intersection; I don't need to get to work 30 seconds earlier; etc. Coming from a WRX, this is sort of hard for me...
  2. I am not a hyper-miler; I drive like a normal human who just so happens to be in not too much of a hurry; I don't think about squeezing every last mile out of a gallon; I approach the whole driving thing sort of mindlessly.
With those techniques I am getting mileage in line with the EPA.

I have already learned that short trips and cold running simply destroys any pretense of high mileage. Consolidate trips, let it warm up at least a tiny bit, back off.
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Old 02-28-2012, 09:49 AM   #105
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I have already learned that short trips and cold running simply destroys any pretense of high mileage. Consolidate trips, let it warm up at least a tiny bit, back off.
+100! This is exactly what I have found too, more so than any previous Subaru I have owned!
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Old 02-28-2012, 10:56 PM   #106
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I have already learned that short trips and cold running simply destroys any pretense of high mileage. Consolidate trips, let it warm up at least a tiny bit, back off.
+100! This is exactly what I have found too, more so than any previous Subaru I have owned!
Big time!

While I have been having no problem getting EPA highway estimates on longer freeway trips, EPA city is almost impossible. Maybe the car will limber up, but it appears the programming missed on this one a bit. My dad's Lexus-badged Pious lets him choose between power and economy mode. I think this car needs that.
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Old 03-01-2012, 12:43 PM   #107
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all cars are good on the highway, it's city MPG that has room for competition. My dad's 3.7L sh-awd TL gets 30+ mpg on the highway but only 17 in city. i get 23.5mpg with my 2.5i in city driving. guessing the 2012 should get about 25-26 city with smaller engine.
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Old 03-01-2012, 01:49 PM   #108
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Big time!

While I have been having no problem getting EPA highway estimates on longer freeway trips, EPA city is almost impossible. Maybe the car will limber up, but it appears the programming missed on this one a bit. My dad's Lexus-badged Pious lets him choose between power and economy mode. I think this car needs that.
I certainly agree cold starts are currently a weak point, but you do have to keep in mind that just because all you drive are short trips at slower speeds, doesn't mean your driving habits fall into the realm that defines the 'city' mpg test from the EPA. Just like the highway test, the AC test, the High Speed test and Cold Temperature (the latter 3 of which were added in 2007), the EPA's City MPG is derived from a very specific test, found on this page:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml

The city MPG figure is arrived it via a 31 minute, 14 second drive over an 11 mile course with an average speed of 21.2 mph. (the breakdown for the other tests is in the link above).

That is why I'll continue to say that the best indicator of where your driving might actually fall relative to the epa rating is your car's average mph. Mine is usually somewhere between 30-33 for a given tank. I'm getting the city mpg number right now, but fully expect to be at about 30mpg overall after break-in, oil change and summer gas blends.
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Old 03-01-2012, 04:36 PM   #109
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My trip A says avg MPH is 20 and avg MPG is 25.8. I've been doing solely my normal commute on this tank. 2003 civic regularly did 29-31. My wife's 2007 crv does a similar but shorter route and gets 20 cuz she's a total leadfoot....
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Old 03-01-2012, 10:10 PM   #110
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I have 277 miles on my 2012. The car says that i am averaging 28 miles per gallon. How come people are getting different miles per gallon if they manually calculate it. Shouldn't the car be able to calculate it correctly?
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Old 03-01-2012, 11:33 PM   #111
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I have 277 miles on my 2012. The car says that i am averaging 28 miles per gallon. How come people are getting different miles per gallon if they manually calculate it. Shouldn't the car be able to calculate it correctly?
It's not 100% accurate. Close, but seems to run a tad above actual calculated mpg. Mine is between 7-10% higher than actual mileage. It can be adjusted by dealer or there's a way to do it yourself, but it's a weird procedure to go through.
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Old 03-02-2012, 12:58 AM   #112
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It's not 100% accurate. Close, but seems to run a tad above actual calculated mpg. Mine is between 7-10% higher than actual mileage. It can be adjusted by dealer or there's a way to do it yourself, but it's a weird procedure to go through.
Does anyone know the procedure to adjust the mpg gauge so we can do it ourselfs?
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Old 03-02-2012, 02:16 AM   #113
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Does anyone know the procedure to adjust the mpg gauge so we can do it ourselfs?
From the monster of a thread under News & Rumors http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2131206

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It doesn't give the procedure, and I tried the steps posted on a site, couldn't get it to work...
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There are 3 parameters that can be changed via the Combination Meter System. If your Fuel Economy display is high or low (after manual calculation) you can adjust it. To enter the Dealer Customize Mode you MUST do everything within the prescribed time as described below.
3. DEALER CUSTOMIZE MODE
The combination meter can be customized with dealer customize according to the following procedure.
CAUTION:
Perform the steps described in 1) through 4) within 10 seconds.
1) Within 3 seconds after turning the ignition switch to ON, set the lighting switch to tail light or headlight position.
2) Press the trip meter knob five times.
3) Turn the lighting switch to OFF, and press the trip meter knob five times.
4) Set the lighting switch to tail light or headlight position again, and press the trip meter knob five times.
5) Move on to the “DEALER CUSTOMIZE MODE”.
• When the dealer customize mode operates, the LCD displays each adjustment screen.
• The dealer customize mode consists of three setting screens. {Avg.F/E Correction Screen}, {Ambient
Temp. Correction Screen} and {Clock Adjust. Screen} is displayed cyclically in this order every time the trip
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• Holding down the trip meter knob while each setting screen is displayed can change the setting value.
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When ignition switch is turned OFF or the vehicle is driven, the customize mode is cancelled automatically.
No. Customize mode Initial value Correction range
1 Avg.F/E Correction Screen (initial value+/-0%) Correction Range+/-10%
2 Ambient Temp. Correction Screen (initial value)+/-0C (F) Correction Range+/-3C (F)
3 Clock Adjust. Screen (initial value on) Correction range on or off

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Old 03-02-2012, 07:22 PM   #114
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That procedure doesn't work for me...
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:53 AM   #115
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ok so first fill up 85% in town trips shorter then 10 miles 26.1mpg(cvt)
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Old 03-06-2012, 07:54 PM   #116
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Temps zoomed up to 52 today. After work, I reset the B Trip Computer, and drove home with gentle acceleration from each stop.

The B-side FE gauge showed 38.1 MPG when I got home after a 40 mile half-city/half-hwy drive. I filled up the tank, and tank mileage was 28.8 with the A-side FE gauge indicating 31.8 MPG. Assuming the B side over-estimated 3 MPG, that's 35.1 MPG. My best to date was 32.5 indicated, and 29.9 calculated.

We had a snow storm a couple days ago, and I got 24ish MPG indicated that day, which dropped the whole-tank average way down...

All that from 20 degrees warmer weather. I checked various weather station records (weatherunderground.com) along my route, and there was almost no wind...

I also checked the instant MPG gauge on a flat strech of hwy, 45 mph = 48 MPG indicated, 50 mph=48 MPG, 55 mph=47 MPG. Since the instant gauge bounces around so much, these estimates may be off a couple MPG, but I was surprised that all three speeds were so similar.
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Old 03-06-2012, 08:24 PM   #117
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3rd fillup

Miles: 342.8
Gallons: 13.555
Calculated Average MPG: 25.2
TripA Avg MPH: 21
TripA Avg MPG: 26.7

90/10 city/hwy

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Old 03-07-2012, 02:48 PM   #118
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We still love the car, BUT.....
I am starting to seriously pull back on recommending the 2012 2.0i Impreza as a cool weather, short-hop, "around town" car, for anyone even remotely concerned with gas mileage.

I am REALLY getting doubtful that "summer gas", "break-in period", first oil change, and how many seconds of warm-up (or not) is going to DOUBLE the gas mileage for anyone driving short drives in the city.

My wife reset the gauges after fillup and has been doing her VERY short commute and around town ONLY recently and is averaging 14-15 mpg according to the gauges, which everyone is stating are optimistic. I am being merciful by NOT signing onto Fuelly, which would really skew the results in there. Heck, my Honda Element does better than that under the same conditions.....Heck, my previous 1995 3.0 V6 4WD Nissan truck matched THAT gas mileage under those conditions....albeit it got the same mielage on the freeway.

The Impreza seems to do pretty decent on freeway runs, even though it needs some fairly "special conditions" to hit anywhere close to EPA. We have gotten 28mpg with a heavy mix of freeway and a bit of round town, and I expect that to creep up A BIT.


Fun Factor and All weather Capability is definitely the selling point for this car. And if you drive a LOT of freeway miles, its decent for mpg.
Thats my current OPINION anyway.
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Old 03-07-2012, 05:25 PM   #119
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We still love the car, BUT.....
I am starting to seriously pull back on recommending the 2012 2.0i Impreza as a cool weather, short-hop, "around town" car, for anyone even remotely concerned with gas mileage.

I am REALLY getting doubtful that "summer gas", "break-in period", first oil change, and how many seconds of warm-up (or not) is going to DOUBLE the gas mileage for anyone driving short drives in the city.

My wife reset the gauges after fillup and has been doing her VERY short commute and around town ONLY recently and is averaging 14-15 mpg according to the gauges, which everyone is stating are optimistic. I am being merciful by NOT signing onto Fuelly, which would really skew the results in there. Heck, my Honda Element does better than that under the same conditions.....Heck, my previous 1995 3.0 V6 4WD Nissan truck matched THAT gas mileage under those conditions....albeit it got the same mielage on the freeway.

The Impreza seems to do pretty decent on freeway runs, even though it needs some fairly "special conditions" to hit anywhere close to EPA. We have gotten 28mpg with a heavy mix of freeway and a bit of round town, and I expect that to creep up A BIT.


Fun Factor and All weather Capability is definitely the selling point for this car. And if you drive a LOT of freeway miles, its decent for mpg.
Thats my current OPINION anyway.
I have the complete opposite conclusion based on my experience.

I am getting 21 MPG around town that my average speed is only 20 MPH. I think part of the reason I'm not getting better MPG is because I'm having too much fun rowing through the gears on the 5-speed. It is peppy in the first three gears and gets me up to speed quick and 4th gear is my cruising gear at 40 MPH. It is quiet and comfortable at these speeds.

I dread getting on the highway with the Impreza. I only average 30 MPG if I drive a conservative 70 MPH and if I want to get up to 80, I am lucky to see 28 MPG. I also find the road noise this car allows into the cabin obnoxiously loud and very fatiguing on drives longer than 20 minutes. I made a mistake by not taking the Impreza out on the highway to do some 80 MPH drives; I just never thought the road noise would double from 55 MPH on my local highways.
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We still love the car, BUT.....
I am starting to seriously pull back on recommending the 2012 2.0i Impreza as a cool weather, short-hop, "around town" car, for anyone even remotely concerned with gas mileage.

I am REALLY getting doubtful that "summer gas", "break-in period", first oil change, and how many seconds of warm-up (or not) is going to DOUBLE the gas mileage for anyone driving short drives in the city.

My wife reset the gauges after fillup and has been doing her VERY short commute and around town ONLY recently and is averaging 14-15 mpg according to the gauges, which everyone is stating are optimistic. I am being merciful by NOT signing onto Fuelly, which would really skew the results in there. Heck, my Honda Element does better than that under the same conditions.....Heck, my previous 1995 3.0 V6 4WD Nissan truck matched THAT gas mileage under those conditions....albeit it got the same mielage on the freeway.

The Impreza seems to do pretty decent on freeway runs, even though it needs some fairly "special conditions" to hit anywhere close to EPA. We have gotten 28mpg with a heavy mix of freeway and a bit of round town, and I expect that to creep up A BIT.

Fun Factor and All weather Capability is definitely the selling point for this car. And if you drive a LOT of freeway miles, its decent for mpg.
Thats my current OPINION anyway.
You really should get on fuelly (heck, everyone should!) to give everybody a better idea. Your individual numbers won't skew the data too much; there are lots of other drivers out there. It's good to see the fully range of possibilities for mileage, however (everything is on a bell curve...I'm going to guess your car is either on the really low end or there's something wrong with it). I also don't get great mileage in the city, but 14-15 sounds pretty horrendous.

My gauges are often wrong, but I don't find them to always overestimate mileage. Sometimes they underestimate.
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I have the complete opposite conclusion based on my experience.

I am getting 21 MPG around town that my average speed is only 20 MPH. I think part of the reason I'm not getting better MPG is because I'm having too much fun rowing through the gears on the 5-speed. It is peppy in the first three gears and gets me up to speed quick and 4th gear is my cruising gear at 40 MPH. It is quiet and comfortable at these speeds.

I dread getting on the highway with the Impreza. I only average 30 MPG if I drive a conservative 70 MPH and if I want to get up to 80, I am lucky to see 28 MPG. I also find the road noise this car allows into the cabin obnoxiously loud and very fatiguing on drives longer than 20 minutes. I made a mistake by not taking the Impreza out on the highway to do some 80 MPH drives; I just never thought the road noise would double from 55 MPH on my local highways.
Your posts about a conservative 70 MPH never fail to amuse me.
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I don't know about highway speeds in your area, but 70 MPH around my area is pretty normal when traffic is light. The people in the passing lane are often going 80 MPH before they switch back to the center lane.
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I don't know about highway speeds in your area, but 70 MPH around my area is pretty normal when traffic is light. The people in the passing lane are often going 80 MPH before they switch back to the center lane.
I'll just say this: I couldn't successfully fight a speeding ticket at that speed in any state I've ever lived in (5 states so far)

http://www.motorists.org/speed-limits/state-chart
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on a odd side note NJ has the worst mpg avg in this thread
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I don't know about highway speeds in your area, but 70 MPH around my area is pretty normal when traffic is light. The people in the passing lane are often going 80 MPH before they switch back to the center lane.
While 70 MPH may be what we prefer to drive on the highway, that is not the speed EPA uses to do their highway MPG tests on. At 70 MPH you're never going to get 36 MPG & at that speed I'd be happy with 30 MPG.
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