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Old 01-12-2012, 02:42 PM   #1
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Hi all, I've been thinking of purchasing a 2012 2.5i Premium w/ AWP/Moonroof for quite sometime now, so I ended up test driving a couple last weekend and am not totally convinced it would be a good switch for me. I currently drive a 2011 Accord sedan i4 5-speed manual and love it except for the road noise, poor mid range torque, whiny manual transmission (when I hit the clutch after removing my foot from the accelerator to shift gears, the rpms jump up slightly and there a whine) and finally, somehow I feel I'm missing a sixth gear (I drive above 80+ mph most of the time and rpms are always around 3500 making the engine LOUD).

So, I decided to test drive a new 2011 legacy GT: first impressions - car is not as powerful as they make it sound, maybe similar to the v6 accord coupe that I test drove before getting the sedan and the MT wouldn't shift from 3 to 2 when slowing down around a corner. I don't think I was doing anything wrong: clutch was pressed all the way in and it wouldn't shift

Then I test drove a regular 2.5i legacy and the MT seemed to require lot more effort to downshift from 3 to 2 (the GT wouldn't shift at all). So, right when I made a turn and tried to downshift from 3 to 2, all of a sudden the engine turned off. All the lights on the dashboard turned on. luckily, no one was behind me, so I fired the engine up and continued on the test drive.

The drive felt very accord like except a lot quiter but a bit squishy around the corner's. maybe if i don't like it in the future, i figured i might swap the spring or what not but that's later.

what do you guys think about my experience with the MT? I like to think that I'm a good MT driver since I've been driving MT's all my life (10+ yrs and I put 30k miles/yr) and the only time I ever burned my clutch was in a 2003 honda civic that I tried to race on the NJ TP by shifting from 4 to 3 at 110mph (I don't do that anymore lol)
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:37 PM   #2
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So, I decided to test drive a new 2011 legacy GT: first impressions - car is not as powerful as they make it sound, maybe similar to the v6 accord coupe that I test drove before getting the sedan
I'm not sure what you were basing your expectations on, but the 2.5GT makes slightly less power than the V6 Accord and weighs a bit more.

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...and the MT wouldn't shift from 3 to 2 when slowing down around a corner.

Then I test drove a regular 2.5i legacy and the MT seemed to require lot more effort to downshift from 3 to 2 (the GT wouldn't shift at all). So, right when I made a turn and tried to downshift from 3 to 2, all of a sudden the engine turned off. All the lights on the dashboard turned on.

what do you guys think about my experience with the MT?
Either you drove 2 lemons, or you were doing something wrong. I have yet to see any threads complaining about how the current 6-speeds won't downshift and/or turn off the engine when you try to downshift.
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Old 01-13-2012, 08:48 AM   #3
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The non-STi Subaru manual transmissions are not known for their precision feel. They will always be notchy at best.

Either way, you should be able to shift 3-2 at any speed. You can't shift 2-1 until you are under a certain speed and you will find the 2-1 access is trans temp dependent. Do a search in the trans forum on trans oil or uncle scotty or something along those lines. I put Mutol in my trans and it improved the drivability 200%. The design will never shift as smooth as a Honda trans but you can greatly improve it with better fluid.

I would stay away from the car that turns itself off.

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Old 01-13-2012, 12:55 PM   #4
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A short throw shifter would improve things quite a bit but after I got more used to it I like the GT's 6MT. I still may upgrade the shifter but it is not pressing. As to the power, things are very different after the car is broke in. I'm not sure if it is the learning built into the ECU or what but mine became plum perky at around 600 miles and never looked back. For break in, I was told not to use the cruise until after 500 miles so I had to wait till later in the day to try that out! I did use it on the way back home though.
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Old 01-14-2012, 09:42 AM   #5
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It could be that the legacy i test drove was warming up; so let me test drive once more today; also plan to test drive a kizashi - got to see what the overall hype is :P

Edit: sorry guys, a different legacy 6MT was still hard to shift and I guess I'm spoiled with the accord's manual transmission. I test drove a kizashi too and found it a little too light in shifting but still wasn't a challenge - felt like it is perfectly geared to someone new to MTs and its completely fine by me, only problem was when I pushed the driver's seat back to my comfort level, the back seats are good for kids only.

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Old 03-13-2012, 01:37 PM   #6
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For those who have had experience with both, is the 2010+ Legacy/Outback 6MT better or worse then the 5MT used in earlier Legacys and Imprezas? My past experience has all been with the 5MT. 1999 Impreza 2.5RS, 2002 WRX wagon, and 2006 Impreza 2.5i wagon.

The reviews and comments, especially long-term reviews, of the 2010+ Legacy GT's 6MT is what has held me back from considering one. I have test driven a couple, but test drives are never really long enough to get a good feel for living with a car day in and day out.

Presently, I have no real issues or complaints about the 5MT in my 2006 Impreza 2.5i wagon. However, back when I had my 2002 WRX I also had a 2004 Honda S2000. In comparison the Honda gearbox/clutch/shifter made the Subaru box feel archaic. I guess no longer having that benchmark to reference the Subaru 5MT no longer seems all that bad.
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Old 03-19-2012, 02:35 PM   #7
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Short throw, trans mount and some extra S fluid and you won't have any complaints with the new 6MT.

I'm using mine as a daily driver (STG II) and love every minute of it.

Not really comparable off the line either (assuming you trust the source):
2012 Subaru Legacy 2.5GT Limited 0-60 mph 5.3
2012 Honda Accord EX 0-60 mph 6.1

http://www.zeroto60times.com/Honda-V...mph-Times.html

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