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Old 08-13-2002, 06:37 PM   #1
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Default So why not 10's with a 2.0 lit?

Amazing!!!!!! I am Drooling.....Although it was never expained to me why 10's aren't possible with the standard 2.0 engine....must be some way to squeak a 10.99999 out of it without changing the heads or displacement, aside from a 150 shot of course, as we would like to keep the engine longer than 1 run
Would it be at all possible? Hmmmmmm
Now that you posted this, I will never be satisfied

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Old 08-13-2002, 09:55 PM   #2
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Well 2 liter WRX's are just breaking into the 11's stateside, give it time. It's possible. It's just going to take a lot of blood sweat and tears. Ya know, people were telling Sean (Glazar) back in the day that 10's wouldn't be possible on a stock block 4G63 (DSM's). It happened, eventually. I think the limits have not been reached yet on the EJ20. Put a good tuner behind it (along with a big a$$ Turbo ) and it will be done. Just nobody has come up with the recipe just yet. We at least have the advantage over the DSM's given the fact that we really aren't breaking completely new ground like they were. There is a lot of expertise overseas that can be tapped (and obviously is).

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Old 08-13-2002, 10:01 PM   #3
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Actually, last I heard, the fastest WRX in the world is a 2.0 liter. It's also an auto!

It recently ran a 10.019 and trapped deep into the 140's, thus barely edging the Rigoli's time.
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Old 08-13-2002, 11:33 PM   #4
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Annointed: That is absolutely Amazing!!!!! And an auto to boot!!
Ever so close to a 9 sec car.......If you ever find a link for that let me know....
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Old 08-14-2002, 03:56 AM   #5
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how come it seems that hondas can run ten's on their 1.8 liter motors and maybe hit 9's easily but how come no scooby? seems like some of their trannies can run 11's and just need upgraded clutches while some of us break trannies running 12's?
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Old 08-14-2002, 04:16 AM   #6
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how come it seems that hondas can run ten's on their 1.8 liter motors and maybe hit 9's easily but how come no scooby? seems like some of their trannies can run 11's and just need upgraded clutches while some of us break trannies running 12's?
many of the hondas that are running those numbers are completely gutted race cars weighing hundreds of pounds less than a WRX. They are usually front wheel drive with huge slicks and bulletproof axles. to be able to launch like those cars with a WRX will snap the axles real quick. however 10's can be done with a 2.0 just give it time
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Old 08-14-2002, 05:57 AM   #7
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hey i bet one of the reasons why their tranny's last longer is because they dont push as much torque through compared to their HP.
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Old 08-14-2002, 08:24 AM   #8
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Drivetrain loss w/ the AWD must make a difference as well. Let's see who makes a fatty 2WD drag beast out of a WRX
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Old 08-14-2002, 09:26 AM   #9
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how come it seems that hondas can run ten's on their 1.8 liter motors and maybe hit 9's easily but how come no scooby?
Because they weigh over a 1,000 pounds less than a WRX, have motors from a bigger cars (prelude or integra), then gut the car on top of that and add slicks. That 10 second pass was a street car on street tires.
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Old 08-14-2002, 11:46 AM   #10
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Annointed: That is absolutely Amazing!!!!! And an auto to boot!!
Ever so close to a 9 sec car.......If you ever find a link for that let me know....
Here ya go: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ghlight=10.019

Do a search for 10.019 and it will yield several informative threads. But the one above has links to a list inlcuding the fastest AWD 4 cyl turbos in OZ.
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Old 08-14-2002, 02:03 PM   #11
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Just wait guys. Someone will have one soon!

If I had the money I'd build a drag car out of a WRX shell and 9's would not be that hard to reach. Just strip one down completely until it weighs like 2000 - 2200lbs, then build about a 650hp motor with N2O and you would be in the nines. Now as far as transmissions and axles go you might want to go ahead and set money aside because you will be replacing quite a few. If the money is there then almost anything is possible.
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Old 08-14-2002, 02:23 PM   #12
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please don't use the torque excuss, many put more torque rthan our cars and are running stock trannies
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Old 08-14-2002, 02:31 PM   #13
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Just wait guys. Someone will have one soon!

If I had the money I'd build a drag car out of a WRX shell and 9's would not be that hard to reach. Just strip one down completely until it weighs like 2000 - 2200lbs, then build about a 650hp motor with N2O and you would be in the nines.
I don't know if you could get a GDA that light. 1000 lbs is a lot to remove. If I was going 100% drag car, I'd get a old school subaru L, 2.6L, yada yada. Even then, light weight is the key.

At anyrate, a 10 second TRUE street car is freaking awesome!
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Old 08-14-2002, 02:44 PM   #14
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how come it seems that hondas can run ten's on their 1.8 liter motors and maybe hit 9's easily but how come no scooby? seems like some of their trannies can run 11's and just need upgraded clutches while some of us break trannies running 12's?
take a bubble back civic with an engine swap and its a low 13/high 12 sec car with boltons we arent even talking turbo charged or anything u add those things and you got your 11s or faster... most track hondas are running 8-9's (probably faster than that now being i havent been at the track this year)
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Old 08-14-2002, 05:51 PM   #15
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Well heck that would amount to 4 wheels and a seat...anybody could do 9's with an engine, 4 wheels and a seat......
I'm talking about my 6 disc cd changer and air....it will be done.....
and it will be much more impressive than a stripped, hot, loud and street useless honda

10.999999999 would satisfy me completely
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Old 08-14-2002, 07:01 PM   #16
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Default Re: So why not 10's with a 2.0 lit?

its possible its just stupid.
the hugeness of turbo and amount of boost you would have to run would

A. make for a very laggy setup that you would have to deal with somehow

B. put a whole lot of stress on the engine.

its common practice to stroke/bore motors to make them bigger.

mustang/camaro/vette enthusiasts have been doing this for years.

and unlike the WRX crowd in the US, nobody ever says "Thats not a mustang" if you bump it up to 351cu from 302!

must be the clueless '*******' crowd


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Amazing!!!!!! I am Drooling.....Although it was never expained to me why 10's aren't possible with the standard 2.0 engine....must be some way to squeak a 10.99999 out of it without changing the heads or displacement, aside from a 150 shot of course, as we would like to keep the engine longer than 1 run
Would it be at all possible? Hmmmmmm
Now that you posted this, I will never be satisfied

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Old 08-14-2002, 07:03 PM   #17
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because they weigh 1000lbs less and dont lose a large % of their horsepower through an AWD drivetrain.

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how come it seems that hondas can run ten's on their 1.8 liter motors and maybe hit 9's easily but how come no scooby? seems like some of their trannies can run 11's and just need upgraded clutches while some of us break trannies running 12's?
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Old 08-14-2002, 07:06 PM   #18
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uh...

your forgetting the "gut car" and "add slicks" part here.

reminds me of the Honda Nazi I ran into at the strip, quick little civic hatch, running 12.8 or so, with a motor swap and a turbo in a gutted civic hatch.

asked about WRXs and I was telling him they are easy to get into the 12s, but to get much faster you have to deal with tranny

"That SUCKS!" he said.

I didn't mention that at least I didnt have to deal with the MOTOR to get there in the first place.
or gut the car
or swap on slicks



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take a bubble back civic with an engine swap and its a low 13/high 12 sec car with boltons we arent even talking turbo charged or anything u add those things and you got your 11s or faster... most track hondas are running 8-9's (probably faster than that now being i havent been at the track this year)
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Old 08-14-2002, 07:07 PM   #19
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how come it seems that hondas can run ten's on their 1.8 liter motors and maybe hit 9's easily
Easy thatís really funny! I think the WRX scene has been progressing very quickly. I'm sure that in the next year or so we will be seeing a lot of impressive things
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Old 08-14-2002, 07:11 PM   #20
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Fast with class is what some of the DSM'ers like to call it. High 10's - low 11's, AC, power steering, stereo and all the amenities. I think that it is more of an accomplishment to get a car into the low 11's and it still be very reliable than getting full blown drag car into the 9's.

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Old 08-15-2002, 12:36 AM   #21
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please don't use the torque excuss, many put more torque rthan our cars and are running stock trannies
You're missing the point...they're not AWD. Any AWD car will put major stress on the driveline (notably clutch/tranny) if pushed. FWD and RWDers have wheel spin, thus making life easier on their tranny. Plus, the 5 speed Subaru design is known to be outdated, so that's double the odds stacked against drag racing on a stock tranny.
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Old 08-15-2002, 03:07 AM   #22
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my first question is why would you want to have a 10s street car for anyway? that little bas**rd would be rediculously hard to drive. with all that weight in there, you would need like 550 or so hp, with nitrous. and the damn axles would snap soooooo often, even more so when you finally get the tranny to stay together. i say, don't bother...mid 12s is good enough for most cars out there. the ones running faster than you aren't doing it in style(ie stereo, air..), and get worse gas mileage.
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Old 08-18-2002, 06:27 AM   #23
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my first question is why would you want to have a 10s street car for anyway? that little bas**rd would be rediculously hard to drive. with all that weight in there, you would need like 550 or so hp, with nitrous. and the damn axles would snap soooooo often, even more so when you finally get the tranny to stay together.
If you stay off the boost the tranny and the axles should not be a problem for street legal driving.
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Old 08-18-2002, 12:31 PM   #24
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Default It's really, really not likely......

The commonly proven and accepted power limit for the normal wrx ej20 is about 400-425 crank hp. This is from many years of experience in AU and the UK, and I'm sure Japan also. At that point, you still are a hair's width away from crank/crank bearing failure, or any detonation breaking a piston.

If you really want 10's on a stock block, just add that massive 150 hp NO2 shot to a car to with a bigger bolt on turbo, exhaust and intake mods. The engine/tranny will blow soon anyway, but the money you save by not getting a massive turbo kit first can be used to re-build your engine and tranny!

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Old 08-20-2002, 10:13 PM   #25
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I think the reason why a lot of street guys don't bother is because it's so easy to drop a built 2.2 or 2.5.
Do you think the fastest DSM's would be 2.0L if they could just bolt on a 2.5 and throw some 'forgies' in there (simplifying)?
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