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Old 11-04-2013, 02:58 PM   #676
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The only parts in these that are Chinese are the non-mechanical parts like the casing (which are BC based, are proven, and hold up very well to the elements). The rest are high quality parts from Europe, USA and Japan.
Is that true? I was under the impression they were made mostly from Chinese components. Good info.

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And they are highly user-adjustable and serviceable with Odi (the owner and fabricator) only an email or phone call away.

Feal should be the clear answer here!
These are good points. I'm leaning towards Feal.
I've had nothing but good experience with H&R coilovers in the past, so that is making me hesitate. Regardless, I think I will end up with Feal coilovers.
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Old 11-04-2013, 03:02 PM   #677
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The bounciness on 0-10 softness is why I always keep mine on 21/23 for DD (or 28/30 if I really wanna make my b-hole bleed). I don't even remember what body roll feels like
this is exactly what ive found.

below 15/15 is too bouncy for me. ill give up comfort to stop the bounciness.
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Old 11-04-2013, 08:26 PM   #678
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below 15/15 is too bouncy for me. ill give up comfort to stop the bounciness.
I will have to go over 15. I don't think I have yet
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Old 11-04-2013, 09:31 PM   #679
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I swapped my winter setup back on.

King lift springs.
Koni yellows.
215/65/15 snow tires

Feels like I'm driving a caddy in comparison
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Old 11-05-2013, 12:24 PM   #680
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I want '04-'07 owners to post what stiffness settings they are at.

It's all '08+ Feal 441 owners
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Old 11-05-2013, 01:21 PM   #681
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I want '04-'07 owners to post what stiffness settings they are at.

It's all '08+ Feal 441 owners
Yea... good luck finding much info pre-08

Here's the same guy running different settings on his 07 sti:
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I always adjust from full stiffness to my target dampening. Try riding down the same stretch of road several times (one that represents the road conditions you usually travel on) and soften the front/rear 2 clicks each time. Once you get those settings roughly tuned out, try going +/- 1 click in the front and rear. There should be nine different configurations that you will need to try at that point (-1f/-1r, -1f/0r, 0f/-1r, 0f/0r, +1f/0r, 0f/+1r, +1f/+1r, -1f/+1r, +1f/-1r). That's how I've tuned my coilovers since I purchased them and I've noticed that setting the rear 2 clicks harder on the GR chassis feels better (to me anyway...).

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Old 11-05-2013, 02:33 PM   #682
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We are interested in the clicker settings you guys find most comfortable. We spent a lot of time comparing data and testing... now we would like to see if there is a pattern from what you guys prefer.
To make this a standard unit, please measure clicks from full hard. For example; 10 clicks means, turn shock to full stiff (clockwise), then turn the adjuster counter clockwise 10 clicks. This is the standard when it comes to communicating damper adjuster settings, or most valves that close completely.
Maybe someone should start a thread just for prefered clicker settings on 441's?
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Old 11-05-2013, 02:44 PM   #683
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We are interested in the clicker settings you guys find most comfortable. We spent a lot of time comparing data and testing... now we would like to see if there is a pattern from what you guys prefer.
To make this a standard unit, please measure clicks from full hard. For example; 10 clicks means, turn shock to full stiff (clockwise), then turn the adjuster counter clockwise 10 clicks. This is the standard when it comes to communicating damper adjuster settings, or most valves that close completely.
Maybe someone should start a thread just for prefered clicker settings on 441's?
measuring from full stiff, that would make my settings roughly 12-F/09-R

personally i dont like that standard. it's counter intuitive in my head, as i equate a higher number to a higher stiffness.
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Old 11-05-2013, 05:23 PM   #684
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Yea... good luck finding much info pre-08

Here's the same guy running different settings on his 07 sti:
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I always adjust from full stiffness to my target dampening. Try riding down the same stretch of road several times (one that represents the road conditions you usually travel on) and soften the front/rear 2 clicks each time. Once you get those settings roughly tuned out, try going +/- 1 click in the front and rear. There should be nine different configurations that you will need to try at that point (-1f/-1r, -1f/0r, 0f/-1r, 0f/0r, +1f/0r, 0f/+1r, +1f/+1r, -1f/+1r, +1f/-1r). That's how I've tuned my coilovers since I purchased them and I've noticed that setting the rear 2 clicks harder on the GR chassis feels better (to me anyway...).
Thanks for the info. I will have to test it out.

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We are interested in the clicker settings you guys find most comfortable. We spent a lot of time comparing data and testing... now we would like to see if there is a pattern from what you guys prefer.
To make this a standard unit, please measure clicks from full hard. For example; 10 clicks means, turn shock to full stiff (clockwise), then turn the adjuster counter clockwise 10 clicks. This is the standard when it comes to communicating damper adjuster settings, or most valves that close completely.
Maybe someone should start a thread just for prefered clicker settings on 441's?
I can create a thread. I'm sure the mods/douchebags will just say post in here but F them!

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measuring from full stiff, that would make my settings roughly 12-F/09-R

personally i dont like that standard. it's counter intuitive in my head, as i equate a higher number to a higher stiffness.
Yeah 0 I picture being soft and 30 being hard..

I'm 20-F/20-R (I think) I started at 0 and went 10 clicks towards stiff.
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Old 11-05-2013, 06:30 PM   #685
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So far had mine on for about a month now and I'm still enjoying them. They did produce some juttering/popping type of noise over rough bumps. Prob due to not enough preload. Overall, I cannot believe I didn't get them sooner. Makes driving on windy roads enjoyable not a roller coaster ride
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:35 PM   #686
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I'm not entirely happy with mine, after a couple weeks of playing with the shock settings. Way, way bouncy on any roads that haven't been paved in the last couple of years. Freeways at speeds less than 60mph, same thing. Seems like from 40-60 you're in this oscillation hell that the shocks/springs can't deal with.

I've had a few different cars with varying levels of suspensions; springs, sleeve coilovers, Konis, one-unit coilover system, etc. SM Autox Civic, E36 M3, VW GTI, and so forth.

I'm driving a '12 WRX with 22 f/r swaybars, stock wheels/tires, and the suspension is at the height they're set from Feal.

Might just be getting old, but I'm not really... fealing it. Overall, they're good build quality and feel great on perfect surfaces, but on typical roads, no bueno. Maybe I should raise them up an inch or so?
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:47 PM   #687
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ive left the dampening and height setting the way came. been perfectly happy with it. they do get a bit rough on really rough roads but they soak up most bumps just fine. roads around my part is pretty terrible and hardly ever repaved. just filled in with gravel.

comparing them to stock dampening, they are if not same mayb a tad stiffer. im in a '10 wrx hb also on stock wheels and tires

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Old 11-05-2013, 11:52 PM   #688
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I'm at 20F/18R, I like it stiffer in he front end because of the extra weight, but maybe I'll play with a little more. With winter coming up I'm going to probably end up around 10F/10R, and those are also from full soft not stiff.
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Old 11-06-2013, 08:24 AM   #689
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I'm not entirely happy with mine, after a couple weeks of playing with the shock settings. Way, way bouncy on any roads that haven't been paved in the last couple of years. Freeways at speeds less than 60mph, same thing. Seems like from 40-60 you're in this oscillation hell that the shocks/springs can't deal with.

Might just be getting old, but I'm not really... fealing it. Overall, they're good build quality and feel great on perfect surfaces, but on typical roads, no bueno. Maybe I should raise them up an inch or so?
I didn't see you mention the stiffness settings. What do you have them set to?
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:20 PM   #691
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I didn't see you mention the stiffness settings. What do you have them set to?
I've tried 10/10, 15/15, 15/18, 20/20, 20/23, 25/25. Can't get that damn bounce to go away. I don't mind stiff, but having that washboard feel gets annoying after awhile. Didn't have that problem on previous cars except for a set of Tanabe Sustec non-adjustable coilovers on my Civic about 10-11 years ago.
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I've tried 10/10, 15/15, 15/18, 20/20, 20/23, 25/25. Can't get that damn bounce to go away. I don't mind stiff, but having that washboard feel gets annoying after awhile. Didn't have that problem on previous cars except for a set of Tanabe Sustec non-adjustable coilovers on my Civic about 10-11 years ago.
I'm on 10/10 now and I've got the bounce. I had an '07 WRX though not a '12 like you.
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Old 11-07-2013, 04:40 PM   #693
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try setting the rears significantly softer than the front.

i know the springs rates on GC chassis are different but looking at what youve tried, its all been equal or stiffer in the rear.

i have my GC set at 10 clicks in the front and 2 in the rear and it signicantly reduces the "bounce" you guys speak of.
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try setting the rears significantly softer than the front.

i know the springs rates on GC chassis are different but looking at what youve tried, its all been equal or stiffer in the rear.

i have my GC set at 10 clicks in the front and 2 in the rear and it signicantly reduces the "bounce" you guys speak of.
10/2 from full soft or full stiff?
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Old 11-08-2013, 03:05 PM   #695
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10/2 from full soft or full stiff?
from full soft. Odi installed/aligned/cornerweighted my GC and used his recommended spring rates of 7k front 4k rear. I had a ~50lb subwoofer/amp and spare tire donut in the trunk at the time. My GC weighed 2940 lbs at the time, and I found that 12 front 8 rear from soft was the best combination with that setup. I drove it like that from December 12' to October 13' (aprox 5k miles) but then the amp died, so i took the sub and amp out, as well as the donut spare. It really lightened up the rear of the car and I experienced some of the "bounce" that was brought up earlier in this thread. I played with different settings, but they all resulted with a much softer rear setting than the front. Keep in mind my car is EJ205 swapped, so what I've experienced might not be the same for other setups.
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I have always had the fronts and rears dialed within a few clicks of each other, never more than that.

SpecR, I tried 20F and 10R.... wow it's nice! You guys that have bumpy local roads and aren't getting these bumps damped out, try his suggestion. There's a stretch of highway on my commute that usually annoys me because of the bumpyness of that stretch... the new damping arrangement really takes out that rocking sensation I think a couple of you were talking about.
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:19 PM   #697
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SpecR is right.

I'm lowered mine from 10/10 to 10/5 and I feel a difference!

07 WRX
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Yeah, I'll try out that 20/10 suggestion. Worth a shot!

(Odi did offer to dyno and revalve my coilovers, which is great service! Just can't do it at the time, baby and all.)
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awesome, i hope it works out for you guys and anyone else just lurking the thread.
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I've tested with my friend who is a really experienced driver on my 12' Hatch:

He likes the more neutral handling which was 7/2. I liked it as well as it is not really bouncy and it handles well.

I then upped the front to 8-9 and rear to 2-3 and it gave me a little oversteer which I like because it allows me to turn a corner alot faster without the rear kicking out.

So I'd say 8/2 is a well balanced spec. I have 24/22 Sways and slightly lowered on 18s. When I first installed it with the 15/15 spec, I took it out for a fast circular off ramp and I drifted down that off ramp beautifully. How? Because the rear was just too stiff, but damn that is definitely a drift spec if this WRX ever had one!! Hahah

Hope my info helps a few fellow members out, they're excellent.
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