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Old 04-04-2012, 04:54 PM   #401
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I'm not sure what bracket I have since mine seems to be different then Ben's. I did remove the hybrid setup so the bolt on top is now a place holder for something. The backside port is open to atmosphere and the intake is plugged. The ports that are now connected go the hot side of the turbo and the other one goes to the wastegate.
interesting. looks like you have the LGT bracket as well. you have your gauge unit is mounted where GS suggests the EBCS should go. the WRX bracket that xluben has mounts on top of the stock bracket, still the cleans spot imo.

thanks for the pic, glad i have another option. with the EBCS mounted where GS suggests, the turbo side hose sits right over the alternator which gets pretty hot.
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Old 04-04-2012, 06:07 PM   #402
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I'm glad I don't have that bracket. It would not fit at all with the inlet I have.
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Old 04-04-2012, 07:07 PM   #403
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I'm glad I don't have that bracket. It would not fit at all with the inlet I have.
Yeah it totally limits the intake possibilities. It'll work for now but if I go any further with the motor a new bracket will be in order.
I'm not really sure how I got this bracket either, I'm guessing when you order a EBCS for a 2011+ WRX you're getting the LGT bracket now... I never noticed it was wrong until I took another look at yours.

I think I noticed you took off you Hybrid too, what was your reason? Mine was just tuner related, EFI didn't know what the hell to do with it so I now have a brand new MBC paper weight, lol
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Old 04-04-2012, 07:25 PM   #404
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Just about every car has sway bars. They are what connect each side of the cars suspension and keeps the corners working together. The stock bars on the WRX might as well be noodles. They do nothing.

When you put new sways on our cars, it completely transforms how the car rides. You keep your bump compliance but as soon as you push the car into a corner...the grip and turn in is sooooo much better. I actually wouldn't recommend doing suspension without having already done the sways from a performance point of view. You wouldn't be utilizing the full potential of the new suspension because each side would not be working in conjunction with one another like they are really supposed to.

If all you are worried about is stance and look...suspension only is fine. If you want the car to handle like it really should...sways and end links first...suspension second...

I have a lot of friends that professionally race cars and they will tell you the same thing...especially on the WRX where we are barely even give sway bars. Our body roll (which decreases grip and turn in) is terrible in stock form. Even with upgraded suspension, you are just keeping the car from compressing as much with the increased spring rate...you aren't making the chassis work like it should.

Just my .02.
Hey Robb thanks for the explanation, it make much more sense!
So how are you liking your setup? Since I'm not too worried about corner handling as much as basic ride quality at the moment I'd be interested in knowing more about the simple spring/shock setup you have. I would think it's a better ride then on coilovers as I can't see a stiff bumpy ride with a little one in the back seat.

I know in handling terms I'm doing it backwards but in all honestly I haven't had the reason to drive hard enough to worry about handling and body roll yet so my immediate goal would be to get to and from work without my fillings falling out or kidneys bruised, lol
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:00 PM   #405
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The tear down and rebuild begins...
I have two weeks before the front rotors show up so I have plenty of time to do a super clean rebuild and re-paint.

Besides the calipers I bought everything new for the conversion:

DBA 4000 T-Slot front rotors
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OEM Bleeders
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Stainless Steel Brake Lines
Pads - TBD (something for street only + very quiet) Thinking StopTech Street Performance or Hawk HPS

Oh, yeah BTW these calipers are HUGE!!! A lot bigger than expected.

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Old 04-04-2012, 10:12 PM   #406
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AWESOME... Super excited to see how your break upgrade turns out!
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:22 PM   #407
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Dang man, you are doing the SAME EXACT mods I am planning on doing. Been trying to track down a set of used brembo's for a while now. Had a good lead a few weeks ago but another guy got there right before me.
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:29 PM   #408
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AWESOME... Super excited to see how your break upgrade turns out!
Thanks Jorden, I'll do my usual full write-up on this one

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Dang man, you are doing the SAME EXACT mods I am planning on doing. Been trying to track down a set of used brembo's for a while now. Had a good lead a few weeks ago but another guy got there right before me.
Haha, sure it wasn't me? I got them on here for $490 + paypal. They are bare, but that's just how I wanted them since I planned on buying everything new anyway. I can't wait to strip them down tomorrow!
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:44 PM   #409
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These were local to me in the MAIC section. 350 for front bremboes, brackets, bolts, rotors and lines. I am so pissed I didn't get them, was a spectacular deal.
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Old 04-05-2012, 01:36 AM   #410
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You sir, have re-inspired my goals for this car. Well played, love your car and the fact that you put so much of your time into learning and doing everything yourself.
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:54 AM   #411
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These were local to me in the MAIC section. 350 for front bremboes, brackets, bolts, rotors and lines. I am so pissed I didn't get them, was a spectacular deal.
Whoa, really?!? Damn someone got an awesome deal! I've had feelers out for almost 3 months and couldn't get my hands on anything. Now the challenge of finding the 2008+ rears is next!
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Old 04-05-2012, 07:03 AM   #412
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You sir, have re-inspired my goals for this car. Well played, love your car and the fact that you put so much of your time into learning and doing everything yourself.
Thanks man, that means so much to me! It's been a passion of mine my whole life and I've built a handful of great cars in my day but this Subaru has been the most fun I've had so far. Great car and a great community of members that stand behind it.

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Old 04-05-2012, 08:19 AM   #413
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Yeah it totally limits the intake possibilities. It'll work for now but if I go any further with the motor a new bracket will be in order.
I'm not really sure how I got this bracket either, I'm guessing when you order a EBCS for a 2011+ WRX you're getting the LGT bracket now... I never noticed it was wrong until I took another look at yours.

I think I noticed you took off you Hybrid too, what was your reason? Mine was just tuner related, EFI didn't know what the hell to do with it so I now have a brand new MBC paper weight, lol
When I did the motor swap I decided I would try going back to just the EBCS. A couple pulls and I knew I could not stand the flutter. With the amount of noise created by the EWG, it was unbearable. I have now gone back to just running the MBC alone. Very simple and the boost comes on great.

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Hey Robb thanks for the explanation, it make much more sense!
So how are you liking your setup? Since I'm not too worried about corner handling as much as basic ride quality at the moment I'd be interested in knowing more about the simple spring/shock setup you have. I would think it's a better ride then on coilovers as I can't see a stiff bumpy ride with a little one in the back seat.

I know in handling terms I'm doing it backwards but in all honestly I haven't had the reason to drive hard enough to worry about handling and body roll yet so my immediate goal would be to get to and from work without my fillings falling out or kidneys bruised, lol
It sounds like you want low+ride quality. The best way to do this is coilovers. Expensive coilovers. Don't expect to pay less than $2k. If you really want good ride quality you will probably have to spend a lot more. If you actually want to be able to turn, then get sway bars I recently decided I might want to go for function>form and swap my coilovers for the Bilstein/RCE setup that rsutton has. Similar price but it should be smoother, and likely will handle better. Only "downside" is that it isn't nearly as low.

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The tear down and rebuild begins...
I have two weeks before the front rotors show up so I have plenty of time to do a super clean rebuild and re-paint.

Besides the calipers I bought everything new for the conversion:

DBA 4000 T-Slot front rotors
OEM Seal kit
OEM Sliders, Pin clips, Springs
OEM Bleeders
OEM Caliper Bolts
Stainless Steel Brake Lines
Pads - TBD (something for street only + very quiet) Thinking StopTech Street Performance or Hawk HPS

Oh, yeah BTW these calipers are HUGE!!! A lot bigger than expected.

http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/w...4/_MG_0038.jpg
Nice! I was eying up some Brembo's locally. They're a lot more expensive than that, but they come with everything to bolt right up (although they could use a paint job). I might hold off for now, to free up cash for my suspension experiment. The other downside for me is that Brembo's will require a new winter wheel/tire setup, so it's probably another $500-1000+ more to do the swap and still be able to drive in the winter.
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Old 04-05-2012, 08:57 AM   #414
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I've got the Bilstein combo on my car, and while it handles extremely well the wheel gap is ridiculous in person. The car actually looks silly with aftermarket wheels (even my gf who knows nothing about cars noticed), to the point where I only run them a few months in the winter. If I had to do it over I'd go for the RCE Tarmac 1 or 2 coilovers instead.
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Old 04-05-2012, 09:37 AM   #415
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I've got the Bilstein combo on my car, and while it handles extremely well the wheel gap is ridiculous in person. The car actually looks silly with aftermarket wheels (even my gf who knows nothing about cars noticed), to the point where I only run them a few months in the winter. If I had to do it over I'd go for the RCE Tarmac 1 or 2 coilovers instead.
That's disappointing. It's still obviously lower than stock, and should handle very well (hopefully favorably compared to BC coilovers). Most of the photos I've seen actually look pretty decent, but I guess I'd have to see it in person to know for sure. Oh well, the higher it is, the more suspension travel I'll have.

One thing I don't like about the RCE/KW/etc coilovers is that you lose travel if you lower the car. This doesn't seem ideal. I guess it depends on how much travel you start with though. Maybe it still ends up being more travel than BC/ISC/Fortune/etc.
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Old 04-05-2012, 10:40 AM   #416
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I'm not sure what bracket I have since mine seems to be different then Ben's. I did remove the hybrid setup so the bolt on top is now a place holder for something. The backside port is open to atmosphere and the intake is plugged. The ports that are now connected go the hot side of the turbo and the other one goes to the wastegate.

snapped a pic of my setup, hope you don't mind me posting.


i might find an L bracket and drill a new hole like you did and mount it on top of the bracket.
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Old 04-07-2012, 06:10 PM   #418
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When I did the motor swap I decided I would try going back to just the EBCS. A couple pulls and I knew I could not stand the flutter. With the amount of noise created by the EWG, it was unbearable. I have now gone back to just running the MBC alone. Very simple and the boost comes on great.
I've always wondered what the MBC was for. I asked my tuner about it and he said they only usually use it for built motors.

Once I got protuned the other day, I noticed that there's a flutter coming from the turbo now, and the only thing that changed before it got protuned was that they put in the GS EBCS right before. I've done some research and this is apparently normal, is that correct?

Overland, awesome vid... what numbers did you get after the stage 3 protune? I think our cars are very similar besides the injectors/pump. Here's mine
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I've always wondered what the MBC was for. I asked my tuner about it and he said they only usually use it for built motors.

Once I got protuned the other day, I noticed that there's a flutter coming from the turbo now, and the only thing that changed before it got protuned was that they put in the GS EBCS right before. I've done some research and this is apparently normal, is that correct?

Overland, awesome vid... what numbers did you get after the stage 3 protune? I think our cars are very similar besides the injectors/pump. Here's mine Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wld9bvdV1w
Ah ha! that would explain why there is boost flutter after installing my EBCS. I thought something was wrong.

Jason, sick video, love the cam under the car as you roll over. I know you were a bit disappointed with the numbers last time, how did you make out this time?
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I know you were a bit disappointed with the numbers last time, how did you make out this time?
curious as well. and i hope you did an e85 tune as well. seeing how you added bigger injectors and pump....
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Old 04-08-2012, 09:00 AM   #421
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build looks amazing. im in the process of full brembo setup as well. what color are you doing?
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That's disappointing. It's still obviously lower than stock, and should handle very well (hopefully favorably compared to BC coilovers). Most of the photos I've seen actually look pretty decent, but I guess I'd have to see it in person to know for sure. Oh well, the higher it is, the more suspension travel I'll have.

One thing I don't like about the RCE/KW/etc coilovers is that you lose travel if you lower the car. This doesn't seem ideal. I guess it depends on how much travel you start with though. Maybe it still ends up being more travel than BC/ISC/Fortune/etc.
Hey Ben, since my main complaint with my coilovers is the stiffness, wouldn't a slightly softer spring cure some of the problem?
Since I still have a lot of possible suspension travel with our coilover design, I've inquired to Swift Spring because they make softer springs specifically for Stance/BC setups. For a couple hundred dollars I'm probably going to try that before swapping out for anything else. Have you looked into that already?
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Hey Guys,

Yesterdays dyno went great!! I just did the 93 tune since it was what I really needed this summer traveling back and fourth from Maine to NY. Only Maine had 91 but everywhere else I went had 93 so I wasn't on the best map 80% of my trips. I pulled 294/330 on their Mustang and was extremely happy with results. I'm still not using enough fuel to even max out my stock pump and injectors so the fact that I changed to 750's and the 65c pump were just a safety buffer but not needed for the stock VF52. It doesn't hurt to have them in but I found that I'm technically still just a Stage 2 so I'm really happy with the results.

The EBCS is working but creating tons of flutter at almost 22lbs of boost. Now that the tune is done I'm definitely thinking of pulling the EBCS and going manual set to 21 or 22 lbs. Since I have it already I'll just swap and see if it stops. If it does, I'll just have to lower it to 20 when I'm on 91 octane.

EFI likes the MBC but doesn't trust a lot of their customers in having any control of their own boost. Lol
In order to swap over, its just easier to do it after the tune so I don't have to try to convince them that I won't be turning it up as high as it can go once I leave
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build looks amazing. im in the process of full brembo setup as well. what color are you doing?
Thanks Blue! I'm going for a darker version of the gold Brembo color. I want something that is noticeable but not as obvious as the gold. Black is too hidden and gold stands out too much so I'm thinking a deep bronze or dark copper.

How far along are you in the conversion? I still can't find ANY rear 2008+ rears yet
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took 3 months of searching the forums all day to get a set. snagged them up 5 minutes after they posted. I have everything i need and waiting on tuesday to install. I really should do a build thread on NASIOC lol.

Hopefully all goes well tuesday as im just getting over the flu and so are the kids. if they get called out of daycare my install day is over so im crossing my fingers.
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