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Old 04-17-2012, 10:23 AM   #451
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I've read it allows the tuner more room to work with the timing but my car only see's wot a few times a week because my daily 32 mile commute is only 45-50mph.
Yeah, I'm not saying you can't have the colder plugs, just saying most seem to add them after bringing the boost up.
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:39 AM   #452
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Yeah, I'm not saying you can't have the colder plugs, just saying most seem to add them after bringing the boost up.
I agree.

Here is my list just so Overland knows where I'm at..

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Old 04-17-2012, 10:43 AM   #453
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I agree.

Here is my list just so Overland knows where I'm at..

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The tune will be done by Hill at Agile Auto on 93 octane.
Based on those mods I would reccommend the 1 step colder colder plugs and a fuel pump and that would put you at stage 3.
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Old 04-17-2012, 11:04 AM   #454
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I've read it allows the tuner more room to work with the timing but my car only see's wot a few times a week because my daily 32 mile commute is only 45-50mph.
I never though of doing the plugs until EFI tuner's Chris mentioned to get them while I was doing the pump and injectors. I haven't had issues with the drivability with the plugs and we have similar driving styles. I actually haven't hit anything over 5lbs of boost since my tune two weeks ago!

I do see your point about the buildup but I've had them in for almost three months without any problems, hesitation or misfires.
It does give a little breathing room in terms of timing and also helps when pushing the stock VF52 to 22-23psi.

Keep in mind that I'm also on a conservative 93oct tune. I've seen similar cars with just Intake, exhaust, Downpipe, EBCS and Topmount running 305HP/335TQ on a mustang. That's w/o changing plugs, pump, or injectors...

Now that I'm not doing e85, I wish I saved that money on all the extra things I don't need. I had plans for turbo, e85, up pipe, etc and I've decided not to anymore.
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Old 04-17-2012, 12:57 PM   #455
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Thanks for the info. I will most likely instal the colder plugs for safety sake. When I originally talked to Agile about the tune they said a fuel pump and injectors are not needed if I have no future plans of a turbo or E85.
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:01 PM   #456
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Thanks for the info. I will most likely instal the colder plugs for safety sake. When I originally talked to Agile about the tune they said a fuel pump and injectors are not needed if I have no future plans of a turbo or E85.
Yeah, I wish that was my advice but in all honesty I really was fixed on changing a lot more in terms of power but have totally re-evaluated my needs and realized that I don't drive fast and I use my car as a daily commuter and never will step foot on a track.

I do wish I took the extra $1000 for fuel stuff and bought better coilovers
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Old 04-17-2012, 01:08 PM   #457
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Yeah, I wish that was my advice but in all honesty I really was fixed on changing a lot more in terms of power but have totally re-evaluated my needs and realized that I don't drive fast and I use my car as a daily commuter and never will step foot on a track.

I do wish I took the extra $1000 for fuel stuff and bought better coilovers
Yeah that is the advice I got. The stock injectors are fine unless you plan on upgrading the turbo or moving to e85 so until then I'll stick with those. My next steps are EBCS, Plugs, pump and our cars will be identicle short of the injects lol
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Old 04-17-2012, 02:15 PM   #458
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I'm pretty content with the power made on the Cobb AP, tbe, and intake but I know a tune will get the most out of those parts. Then I figured if I'm paying for a tune might as well get a few more things first to make the best of it.
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Old 04-17-2012, 02:24 PM   #459
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I'm pretty content with the power made on the Cobb AP, tbe, and intake but I know a tune will get the most out of those parts. Then I figured if I'm paying for a tune might as well get a few more things first to make the best of it.
Haha, thats where it all starts... I remember when I went for my first tune I just wanted to pro tune the stock Stage 2+ map. Then I was like I should get an intercooler, then a BPV, then a fuel pump, then injectors, then plugs, then EBCS, then MBC, Uggghhh...

After all that I got it tuned for 91 octane and ended up with 262HP... awesome

On 93 it's now 294/330, much better!!
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Old 04-17-2012, 02:55 PM   #460
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Haha, thats where it all starts... I remember when I went for my first tune I just wanted to pro tune the stock Stage 2+ map. Then I was like I should get an intercooler, then a BPV, then a fuel pump, then injectors, then plugs, then EBCS, then MBC, Uggghhh...

After all that I got it tuned for 91 octane and ended up with 262HP... awesome

On 93 it's now 294/330, much better!!
That's a pretty big difference just from 91 to 93.
I'm getting tune with 93. Hoping for 300whp/330wtq. We used to have Sunoco Ultra 94 but they did away with it a few years ago.
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Old 04-17-2012, 03:35 PM   #461
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you'll hit that number no problem. your mod list is identical to mine, except my dp is catless and i have a GFB BOV instead of the forge.

if you don't plan on using E85 in the future, then the one step colder plugs make sense. i was told that they tend to foul with E85, but are definitely better with pump gas.
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Old 04-17-2012, 03:55 PM   #462
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On 93 it's now 294/330, much better!!
Is that still on the dyno dynamics?
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:04 PM   #463
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Is that still on the dyno dynamics?
Nope, EFI's Mustang Dyno...

Where is there a Dyno Dynamics? I've only ever tuned at EFI with their Mustang Dyno. I tried the VirtualDyno once but that was just for fun a couple pages back.
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:11 PM   #464
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That's a pretty big difference just from 91 to 93.
I'm getting tune with 93. Hoping for 300whp/330wtq. We used to have Sunoco Ultra 94 but they did away with it a few years ago.
The tune I got for 91 was kind of fudged because when I was there I couldn't find a gas station with 100 miles that had 91 octane so the closest I could find was 92. Since they didn't have the exact fuel in the car he tuned really conservatively to be on the safe side. that's why the numbers are a little low for 91.
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:24 PM   #465
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I tried the VirtualDyno once but that was just for fun a couple pages back.
I must have missed the results. How did they look?
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Old 04-17-2012, 04:41 PM   #466
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I must have missed the results. How did they look?
I think you saw them, remember I tried to do the pulls in fourth gear with winter tires and almost killed myself?!? Lol..

I haven't tried it with the new tune on 93. If I get a chance I'd like to, just to see how it does. I'm in process of moving so all my time has been dedicated to the new place
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anyone that's stage 2 see if the MPG on the car is still accurate? i can't remember if i was stage 1 or stock when i tested it and it was +/- 1MPG compared to on paper. haven't had a chance to do it at stage 2 yet because i keep forgetting to reset the ODO. it's now showing +1MPG from stage 1 but i find that hard to believe.
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anyone that's stage 2 see if the MPG on the car is still accurate? i can't remember if i was stage 1 or stock when i tested it and it was +/- 1MPG compared to on paper. haven't had a chance to do it at stage 2 yet because i keep forgetting to reset the ODO. it's now showing +1MPG from stage 1 but i find that hard to believe.
My car was spot on all the way to Stage 2+
As soon as I changed the injectors, all bets were off, now I get 38 mpg's, lol
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Nope, EFI's Mustang Dyno...

Where is there a Dyno Dynamics? I've only ever tuned at EFI with their Mustang Dyno. I tried the VirtualDyno once but that was just for fun a couple pages back.
My mistake, I thought your old numbers were on a dyno dynamics.
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^^^ No worries, I got confused and read through 6 pages to make sure I didn't write that by accident, haha!
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My car was spot on all the way to Stage 2+
As soon as I changed the injectors, all bets were off, now I get 38 mpg's, lol
lol i see. i wonder if there's a way to fix that
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man what i would do for 38mpg. i have to fill up my car every 3 days
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Old 04-17-2012, 06:03 PM   #473
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man what i would do for 38mpg. i have to fill up my car every 3 days
Nature of the beast man. You could always sell your car and get a Carolla. Those get about 40MPG HWY lol.
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I like to challenge myself to a MPG competition every now and then I average 20 with no highway but I'll go a couple weeks creeping on the gas to see if I can get a whopping 23...
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LOL. i drive 2 hours a day. i need to drive a car that is enjoyable, not one of those toyotas. actually, when i was shopping for a new car, i knew it would be one of two things:

performance: wrx
mpg: prius

tbh the prius probably wouldve saved me thousands of dollars in gas by now, not to mention the cost of the mods, etc.

my obd reads 22.8 right now since the oil change/stage2. it used to read 21.9 at stage 1. 70/30 highway/city
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