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Old 01-18-2013, 10:00 AM   #1176
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Sometimes I wish I lived in an area that my car will never look like this again. It's been over 2 months since my last wash and I'm struggling with going through the winter without a garage.

IMO a dirty Subaru looks been then a clean one. Nice Rex.
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Old 01-18-2013, 11:27 AM   #1177
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This has quickly become one of my favorite threads. Really nice job with the car, very original.

As I begin to think about next steps with my car, I find myself referencing this thread.
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Old 01-18-2013, 11:47 AM   #1178
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This has quickly become one of my favorite threads. Really nice job with the car, very original.

As I begin to think about next steps with my car, I find myself referencing this thread.
Hey thanks man! Glad you are able to find some inspiration from this thread. I've used similar threads to help me shape my car to what it is today.

More to come once it gets above freezing for more than a day, lol
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:04 PM   #1179
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Love your build bro, I am going to wrap my interior when I have time as well!
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Old 01-21-2013, 03:19 PM   #1180
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A 2011+
I'm trying to convince her to buy mine since the prices of used at the dealers are incredibly high. Don't know what I what I would get though.
Keep it! Lol.
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Old 02-11-2013, 07:28 AM   #1181
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Very nice work!
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:59 AM   #1182
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Hey All, Just a minor update on what's going on in the background of new ideas for 2013. I haven't done too much to the car since my wedding back in October (giving it a wash has NOT been one of those things since then) but a lot has been going through my mind in terms of what to do for the new year.

First order of business will be the change of suspension. I've been running the Stance GR+ coilovers for about a year and a half and they are still doing their job as they were designed to do. For an $1100 set of coilovers, you should only expect for your car to be able to go low and ride rough on any surface that is not new pavement. The Stance coilovers are a great choice for a budget track car but I do feel they have no business on the street.

After the Stance's are removed, I will most likely be replacing them with the GTWORX struts and RCE black springs. Since the car is truly a daily driver, I do feel that ride comfort should be #1 and a really good matched spring/strut combo will give me that back. On top of the new springs and struts will finally be the addition of the RCE front and rear swaybars. This alone should bring the car back to what I originally wanted the car to feel like. After some good advice from RSutton1223 about a year ago, I'm finally taking his recommendation and doing the sways.

For power changes, I have been tossing around the idea of either keeping the engine/transmission as is or make the leap towards the next level. There is no other bolt on power that I feel safe about doing without changing some major components. Though I know of some people that are getting away with power levels in the 350-400+ ranges with the stock bottom-end and transmission but it's a chance that I'm not willing to make. It's my only vehicle that gets me to the place that provides my paycheck and the downtime of a blown motor or transmission plus the scurry of trying to fix it in a haste is the main reason why I play the safe card when it comes to power handling of the stock components.
Being said, the next level would be a huge financial leap but something that I think I really want to do. It involves building the bottom-end, changing the turbo and making some changes to the transmission (either a gear set and clutch or STi 6-speed swap and clutch).

The last issue about changing to higher power levels is the question why? Would I be changing the power levels because I'm going to use it or am I making more power to give me something new to do to the car? Either way there is a really big issue brewing up in my mind... Do I really know how to drive with that amount of power? I've had my license for 16 years and have driven over 500,000 miles since then, but does that make me a good driver that knows how to drive a fast car? My first though was to say "sure" I've driven much faster cars with more horsepower but in reality, without formal training or real track experience, I don't feel that anybody belongs behind the wheel of a car that is capable of the type of speeds that we can make these cars go.

So, you can see that I'm putting a lot of though into the next power level and would encourage anyone who is reading today's rant to think about what you are doing with your car, and your driving skill level.

Lastly for this year is some cosmetic changes to the exterior and interior. I've always been a fan of a black roof on the SWP. I'll probably try a glossy vinyl first before I would actually paint it but I'd like to do that plus changing over the antenna to a shark fin. I'm also looking at changing to the STi side-marker mirrors and modifying the WRX emblem on the fender to something different than silver.
More Alcantara in the interior is probably in order; maybe the headliner and visors should be done in black as I'm still in love with how the interior looks with the dashboard done.

Okay, I think I'm done ranting for now. Thanks for reading


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Old 02-11-2013, 11:27 AM   #1183
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I run the GTWORX/Bilstein struts with RCE Blacks (used to have yellows) and RCE front and rear sways. I gotta say I love my setup. I added the RCE camber plates for additional camber adjustment up front and to level out the ride height. From reading RSutton1223's posts, you 2011+ guys can get enough camber adjustment from the stock camber bolts without the need to run the camber plates. Since mine's a 2009, I needed the plates.

I wouldn't want my car any lower than what this setup gives me. I think you'll be very happy and Racecomp Engineering is a great company to earn your business.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:01 PM   #1184
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Exemplary way to plan right there. Thorough decision making and considering all factors.

Exciting to see what's next for you, Jason!
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:03 PM   #1185
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I am also really contemplating these vs. tien super streets seems like a tough choice! But looking forward to the progress as the spring hits
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Old 02-11-2013, 01:15 PM   #1186
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I run the GTWORX/Bilstein struts with RCE Blacks (used to have yellows) and RCE front and rear sways. I gotta say I love my setup. I added the RCE camber plates for additional camber adjustment up front and to level out the ride height. From reading RSutton1223's posts, you 2011+ guys can get enough camber adjustment from the stock camber bolts without the need to run the camber plates. Since mine's a 2009, I needed the plates.

I wouldn't want my car any lower than what this setup gives me. I think you'll be very happy and Racecomp Engineering is a great company to earn your business.
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Exemplary way to plan right there. Thorough decision making and considering all factors.

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I am also really contemplating these vs. tien super streets seems like a tough choice! But looking forward to the progress as the spring hits
Thanks Guys,

I definitely know I'm staying away from the coilovers until I really need them for track purposes or have the extra money to buy a real, well built set. Both those options are possible in the late future but for now I feel a good spring/strut combo will do wonders.

The second option is to modify the stock suspension and go with adjustable Koni shocks which is a good combo and saves about $400 too. I was going to go this route as it's considered just as good and gives you the adjustable dampening option. The reason I decided not to is; you need to hack your stock front struts and retrofit the Koni's and the springs that I will add are not matched to the valving of the strut.

Since I don't think I have ever felt the need to adjust my dampening except to say that "I can adjust my suspension", going non adjustable is going to be fine for me.
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Old 02-11-2013, 01:28 PM   #1187
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I don't want to thread jack, but here's a descent side shot to give you an idea of ride height with the setup I described above:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...7&postcount=88
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Old 02-11-2013, 01:39 PM   #1188
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WOW, what a perfect height!
Where do you have the rear spring perch set? Middle?
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Old 02-11-2013, 01:53 PM   #1189
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Yes. Middle. The blacks sit sliightly lower than the yellows.
And I'm not sure if the 2011+ will sit slightly higher in the front like the 2008-2010's do (w/o the camber plates).
Again, that's one of the main reasons why I got the RCE camber plates for the front.

Also, I'm running taller tires like you do. So your results should be similar.
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Old 02-11-2013, 02:04 PM   #1190
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I echo the same comments from QwaktastiK as I went from the yellows to the blacks and couldn't be happier. They are a great daily driver setup and with some sway bars you can certainly eliminate more body roll if you are doing some spirited driving while being able to quickly throw them back to something that feels better on maintained dirt roads and snow. I have the stock camber plates and they are fine, but I am limited to the amount of camber I can run. I never have gone more aggressive than -1.5deg though.

Very excited to see some new parts go on, love your build!!!

Some light reading if you aren't fully sold...
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2447595
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Old 02-11-2013, 02:10 PM   #1191
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For power changes, I have been tossing around the idea of either keeping the engine/transmission as is or make the leap towards the next level. There is no other bolt on power that I feel safe about doing without changing some major components. Though I know of some people that are getting away with power levels in the 350-400+ ranges with the stock bottom-end and transmission but it's a chance that I'm not willing to make. It's my only vehicle that gets me to the place that provides my paycheck and the downtime of a blown motor or transmission plus the scurry of trying to fix it in a haste is the main reason why I play the safe card when it comes to power handling of the stock components.
Being said, the next level would be a huge financial leap but something that I think I really want to do. It involves building the bottom-end, changing the turbo and making some changes to the transmission (either a gear set and clutch or STi 6-speed swap and clutch).

The last issue about changing to higher power levels is the question why? Would I be changing the power levels because I'm going to use it or am I making more power to give me something new to do to the car? Either way there is a really big issue brewing up in my mind... Do I really know how to drive with that amount of power? I've had my license for 16 years and have driven over 500,000 miles since then, but does that make me a good driver that knows how to drive a fast car? My first though was to say "sure" I've driven much faster cars with more horsepower but in reality, without formal training or real track experience, I don't feel that anybody belongs behind the wheel of a car that is capable of the type of speeds that we can make these cars go.

So, you can see that I'm putting a lot of though into the next power level and would encourage anyone who is reading today's rant to think about what you are doing with your car, and your driving skill level.

I, like many, am in your boat: single DD with the mod bug. I like the cosmetic/suspension stuff, but for me the fun is all the in power upgrades. I'm currently running ~350whp @ 21psi on a 20GXTR with 93 pump gas (generous dyno), and I'm starting to tune my meth kit this week. In the mean time, I'm putting together a long block for when I blow out out the bottom end. So, at least I'm preparing for it. Hopefully the block will go in before something goes wrong. Time will tell (I'm at ~80k mi right now).

350 is certainly enough to get you into trouble quickly and it certainly sometimes my car surprises me with the amount of power it's able to put down. First time it happened I was merging onto the highway and noticed that I was already doing 100 without even pushing the limits of the car. I slowed down, noted my overzealous pedal usage, and went about my merry way.

That said, you don't need to be trained to drive it. You need to be conscious of what is available and use it with discretion. If you're the type of person who cannot continually check your driving habits and adapt them to road/traffic conditions (which is admittedly hard), then don't dabble in the power mods. The power is only there when you choose to use it. Even the most race hardened driver needs to be responsible.

I think that the 20G and 1.5DOM are both pretty solid turbos for stock blocks in our cars. Proper shifting habits and diligent service will get you from A to B without destroying your DD. It will certainly reduce the life of the motor/drive line, but again that is something that you can easily plan and prepare for.

Long story short: 350-400 isn't unmanageable, just don't drive like an a$$hat.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:53 AM   #1192
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" I don't know why I mod my car, I guess because it's fun and I like to know that I can go fast and look great too."

This is the mantra for the automotive enthusiast. When it comes to Subaru's the true enthusiasts are few and far between. Between the hellaflush/illest, street rally, and noob with deep pockets crowds it's easy to get bummed out on the aftermarket scene...at least in Southern California anyway.

Then there are guys like yourself, rsutton, xluben, qwaktastik and a few others that have inspiring build threads. My idea of the perfect car should be 80% go, 20% show and that 20% had better be tasteful.

Subaru has been part of my life since I was just a toddler riding in an 84 GL wagon. My first car was a '91 Legacy Turbo(that will rise from the ashes one day to be a fierce sleeper) and I currently have a '08 WRX sedan. I regularly drive $100,000 plus autos for my job and at the end of the day when I get back into my Subie I'm never bummed. Sure there are many gripes I have about it but the thing that makes me psyched is I know I can change the things I don't like and what's more, I can do it with my own two hands(for the most part).

In my dream garage there would be at least 3 Subies next to the RS6Avant, E30M3, and 67 Shelby GT500 but for now I don't even have a garage. I just have a solid 4banger, with a little turbo, powering four wheels and it never fails to put a smile on my face.

Love the build, keep up the good work.
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:38 AM   #1193
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hey amazing car!! one hella dd.

are your fogs yellow or do they have an overly?

and where did you get your gauge set up from like the pod and etc?
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:27 AM   #1194
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WOW, what a perfect height!
+1 to that. You are making me reconsider coil-overs on my car since its a dd. I have never been one to worry about a "harsh" ride, but i guess its getting to the point where i also have to think of my wife and future babys and whole they will react to it.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:45 AM   #1195
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Koni's feel great on the road but they are a complete pain in the ass to install. The support from RCE along with a plug and play option make the RCE Bilstein/black spring combo really hard to beat. When you add sway bars to the equation, you have a killer mountain/DD car.
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:31 AM   #1196
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I agree that the Koni's are quite a bit more work to install. If you want something plug and play then the Bilstein's are perfect. I would have gotten them if they weren't backordered months out at the time I was looking.

If you get the Koni's on sale you can save several hundred, but if you don't want to cut up your OEM struts, then expect to pay $100-300 for a set of donor struts and then most of your cost savings is gone and you still have all the work to install them.
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Old 02-13-2013, 11:30 AM   #1197
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I agree that the Koni's are quite a bit more work to install. If you want something plug and play then the Bilstein's are perfect. I would have gotten them if they weren't backordered months out at the time I was looking.

If you get the Koni's on sale you can save several hundred, but if you don't want to cut up your OEM struts, then expect to pay $100-300 for a set of donor struts and then most of your cost savings is gone and you still have all the work to install them.
Are the Bilsteins plug and play struts? Or are they coilovers?
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Old 02-13-2013, 11:32 AM   #1198
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Plug and play mostly, there is some adjustment on the rear spring perch.
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" I don't know why I mod my car, I guess because it's fun and I like to know that I can go fast and look great too."

This is the mantra for the automotive enthusiast. When it comes to Subaru's the true enthusiasts are few and far between. Between the hellaflush/illest, street rally, and noob with deep pockets crowds it's easy to get bummed out on the aftermarket scene...at least in Southern California anyway.

Then there are guys like yourself, rsutton, xluben, qwaktastik and a few others that have inspiring build threads. My idea of the perfect car should be 80% go, 20% show and that 20% had better be tasteful.

Subaru has been part of my life since I was just a toddler riding in an 84 GL wagon. My first car was a '91 Legacy Turbo(that will rise from the ashes one day to be a fierce sleeper) and I currently have a '08 WRX sedan. I regularly drive $100,000 plus autos for my job and at the end of the day when I get back into my Subie I'm never bummed. Sure there are many gripes I have about it but the thing that makes me psyched is I know I can change the things I don't like and what's more, I can do it with my own two hands(for the most part).

In my dream garage there would be at least 3 Subies next to the RS6Avant, E30M3, and 67 Shelby GT500 but for now I don't even have a garage. I just have a solid 4banger, with a little turbo, powering four wheels and it never fails to put a smile on my face.

Love the build, keep up the good work.
Sounds like and amazing garage setup, I would love that exact combo!
Totally agree with your above statement too, I've struggled with trying to keep focused on the big picture of the car and the reality of what I use it for. I would do things differently if I did it over again but I say that with every car I build. I'm having fun and I love my progress so far so i can't complain.


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hey amazing car!! one hella dd.

are your fogs yellow or do they have an overly?

and where did you get your gauge set up from like the pod and etc?
They are overlays from headlightarmor.com with yellow bulbs. The pod I got from RSD and modified it to fit the dash (HERE)

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+1 to that. You are making me reconsider coil-overs on my car since its a dd. I have never been one to worry about a "harsh" ride, but i guess its getting to the point where i also have to think of my wife and future babys and whole they will react to it.
Exactly, I do feel that the ride quality is getting to me lately in these winter months but when I really pay attention to how awkward it is for a passenger bouncing around as we go over small bumps and such...
I couldn't imaging having a baby in the backseat, It'll be a quite a ride for them!
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Koni's feel great on the road but they are a complete pain in the ass to install. The support from RCE along with a plug and play option make the RCE Bilstein/black spring combo really hard to beat. When you add sway bars to the equation, you have a killer mountain/DD car.
Thanks again for the persuasion to go this route, super excited for the change over!

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I agree that the Koni's are quite a bit more work to install. If you want something plug and play then the Bilstein's are perfect. I would have gotten them if they weren't backordered months out at the time I was looking.

If you get the Koni's on sale you can save several hundred, but if you don't want to cut up your OEM struts, then expect to pay $100-300 for a set of donor struts and then most of your cost savings is gone and you still have all the work to install them.
This was the reason I finally decided to go the Bilstein route. Being back in stock, plug and play and not having to cut won the argument for me. I'm all about doing the work and saving money but with this route I'll have my OEM struts to fall on if needed or I can still sell them as donors to help pay for a little of the Beilstein's.
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