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Old 01-17-2012, 01:28 PM   #1
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Hi there,

I'm in the market for a TIG in the $2000 range. It's been on my wish list for a long time and finally have some extra scratch to pick one up!

I've been doing a ton of research and thought I wanted a Miller Syncrowave 200 for the advanced controls, but then found out it's older transformer technology and needs a heavy duty circuit breaker because it uses a lot more juice. I then found out about Inverter machines that use less power, but that put me in the Dynasty class and out of my budget.

I then read about these Chinese Imported machines called Invertiweld 200DX, which has all the extra adjustability controls, pulse and it's an Inverter machine. I called Jim and talked to him and I think I'm pretty much sold.

I wanted to see if I could get any feedback from users of this machine? I want to know about reliability, repair parts availability if Jim folds up shop, ease of use ect. Basically any info I can get which will help me to decide. I'm just a hobby guy that wants to be able to do some nice welds on Aluminum, stainless ect. I have a lot of time behind a torch, but only on stainless (I used to weld for a living at a Wood Gas & Pellet Stove Manufacturer), and now I want to learn Aluminum and do some stainless header stuff.

Any info or advice would be appreciated!
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:25 PM   #2
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It's the only machine we use. The only complaint I have is the post flow solenoid sticks in ours, just gotta send it to Jim and he will warranty it. Other than the the machine is solid and has all the features we need for a 1/4 of the price of big blue. Plus I like the ease of knobs for fine tuning vs touch pads.

If you were local I'd say swing by and try it
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Old 01-18-2012, 02:05 AM   #3
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Thanks for the reply! How long have you guys been using it?

I guess parts availability is one of my reservations. If Jim folds up shop, where can you get parts? I just don't want to drop the 2k, then a year later I have a problem and Jim is no longer around and I'm stuck.
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Old 01-18-2012, 09:20 AM   #4
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Yes the Syncrowave will use more juice but you can get away with a smaller breaker until you start doing thicker aluminum. Another options if a Syncrowave 180SD it can be had for 1000-1200$ Once setup you can do just about anything with it. One thing that got my attention was how many people have the 180/200's and dont have issues you will find when it comes to reliability they just keep working.
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Old 01-18-2012, 04:06 PM   #5
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Pickup up a miller diversion, can be had for less than 2k bucks all set up. Small compact inverter machine and will cover all the uses you listed.
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Old 01-18-2012, 07:12 PM   #6
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Pickup up a miller diversion, can be had for less than 2k bucks all set up. Small compact inverter machine and will cover all the uses you listed.
+1

I have a diversion 180. i paid $1700 canadian for mine. complete. (minus tank of course) im really happy with it. its plenty powerful for automotive use. super easy to use and you know you can get parts for it down the road..... if you need them.
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Old 01-19-2012, 04:16 PM   #7
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I started out with the old econotig (gave way to the diversion) I had nothing but problems with it. Ended up needing 1k in repairs due to a fried board, transformer etc etc... left a bad taste in my mouth.

Morrocco- I always wonder about replacement parts, but I've talked to my local welding repair shop and they assured me they have parts to fit. They were actually surprised at the quality of the Invertiweld.
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Old 01-19-2012, 10:46 PM   #8
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^^^thanks!

Yeah, to have an inverter machine with balance control, adjustable Freaquency, pulse, ect......for under 2k. I'm sold. I want to be able to adjust the dang machine to suite the project. The only Miller with those adjustments is the Dynasty which is way way more money.

I'm really close to ordering
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Old 01-24-2012, 05:36 PM   #9
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I started out with the old econotig (gave way to the diversion) I had nothing but problems with it. Ended up needing 1k in repairs due to a fried board, transformer etc etc... left a bad taste in my mouth.

Morrocco- I always wonder about replacement parts, but I've talked to my local welding repair shop and they assured me they have parts to fit. They were actually surprised at the quality of the Invertiweld.
Yeah not all Chinese stuff is junk. I've seen the welds that can be done with the invertiweld tig at Area 1320 and its very good. I cant comment on the reliability but with proper operation, good welds can be achieved.
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Old 01-24-2012, 08:12 PM   #10
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If you check around the welding forums, the Everlast/Thermal Dynamics/Invertiweld have some pretty bad wraps.

But these are usually older guys with their own welding outfits, where the machines see duty cycles 12hrs a day every day
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Old 01-25-2012, 11:36 AM   #11
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Most of them are just bandwagon jumpers also.

One guy has a bad experience, another long time ago had a chinese radio that broke, and the 3rd guy just thinks US = best.Before you know it a Chinese welder is nothing more then a paperweight, failing when you just look at it.

I have the European version of the Everlast machine (AC/DC tig, MMA and plasma cutting in one machine) and it does what it's supposed to.
I recently did some 4-5mm thick Aluminum box section welding, with the machine running 3 8 hour working days at 180/200 amps, without a hitch.

Maybe a Miller or Lincoln is a better machine , but at 3 times the price shouldn't it be that way??
You don't see Car and Driver testing a Lambo against a Yugo, or an Audio magazine test a 30 buck Wallmart boombox againt a 5K $ stereo set, so why do people do the opposite and compare a Miller to a machine less then half it's price.
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Old 01-25-2012, 11:39 AM   #12
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^does that machine have pulse?


I'm a diehard miller boy but I also am a poor neuroscience student
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Old 01-25-2012, 09:28 PM   #13
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If you are talking about the Invertiweld then yes, full pulse and a/c features such as balance and frequency.
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:17 PM   #14
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Mine has as well.

Sold under the Freetech brand in the Netherlands, but a very good copy of the Everlast 256 IMO.Looks and specs are the same.

The Invertiweld is only sold through the Internet in Holland, so I went with the Freetech/Everlast, as they have a dealer 45 minutes away from me, that stocks replacement parts should I ever ened them.

The machine has AC/DC/Stick and Plasma cutting.
AC Balance/AC Freq
Pulse freq/Pulse Hi/low settings etc.
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Old 04-08-2012, 02:06 AM   #15
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OK, bumping this up because I'm pretty much ready to buy. I have some custom intercooler/radiator stuff, and new IC pipe routing I want to do to my Legacy with my custom rotated kit.

Jim/Invertiweld is not really in business right now. I called and talked to him, but he hasn't really been doing anything, and has no units too sell. He would have to order some units from Asia, but really has nobody wanting them besides me.

I found another company called Longevity that has some nice full feature inverter based TIG welders which are Asian Imports. They have all the nice features like high freaquency start, Pulse, AC balance, AC freaquency, pre-flow & post-flow ect. ect. The best part is the 250 amp machine is more powerful than the Invertiweld and cost only $1450 vs. $1850

Has anybody heard of these?

Here it is
http://www.longevity-inc.com/product...-250-AC-DC.php
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Is this the same company that's importing the Everlast welders?
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Longevity is different from Everlast imho.

IMO you have 2 large Chinese companies, both marketing their ownd esign under different names.

Company 1
Everlast/Freetech/ARcIndustr/Tokentools

Company 2
Longevity/WSE/Weldsmart/Boswell/Allmax

Both of them are good enough for home/serious hobby use, I chose a Freetech, as they have an importer local(ish) to me.
If I used the machine to make money I would have maybe bought a Lincoln/Miller, but for one that has the features of my Freetech Alupulse (up/down slope, pre/post flow, frequency and phase adjustment for aluminum etc) I would pay at least triple, and for a hobby machine I could not justify the extra cost.
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Old 04-09-2012, 04:15 PM   #18
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still loving my Miller diversion.
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Old 04-10-2012, 11:53 PM   #19
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Well, I finally pulled the trigger and ordered one. I got the Longevity 200DX which has all the same features and adjustments of the 250 I was looking at, but just has 50 less amps. I watched a video of a guy weldind two razor blades together on the 200DX to show the arc stability on the lowest setting, and it looks really good.

Oh, and the 200DX was only $1199 vs. $1450 for the 250amp machine, and the guy gave me free shipping too. I should have it in a couple days and will start to play with it and report back.
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I recently dropped the money on one of the longevity 200dx tig welders. It should be here with in the next few days. You can't beat the price for an ac/dc machine with good customer service.
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For those with a Miller 180SD are you using it to weld aluminum?
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For those with a Miller 180SD are you using it to weld aluminum?
not that one, but have the miller 160 diversion and have used it to weld alu a bunch of times.
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I was finally able to set mine up yesterday and run a few passes. It welds as good as any other tig I have ever used. All of the parts; torch, petal, etc, are all solid and none feel cheap. I am happy with my purchase.
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Old 04-22-2012, 10:17 AM   #24
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where'd you order it from?
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^ I ordered mine from longevity themselves. Call them up and they will throw in free shipping most likely
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