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Old 01-19-2012, 03:31 AM   #26
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That's all the wrap that is needed? unless there are more pics to come...

BTW which magical turbo is this?
new turbo from blouch.
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Old 01-19-2012, 09:10 AM   #27
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Old 01-19-2012, 10:23 AM   #28
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Would you say the benefits are equal for people with FMIC, or maybe a smidge less since the heat soak to the IC is not such an issue?
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Old 01-19-2012, 11:14 AM   #29
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Was just thinking about this yesterday. Thanks for the writeup.
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Old 01-19-2012, 03:23 PM   #30
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Is it just me or are the pics not working? I too thank you, and would like to hear the discussion on the theories regarding hear wrap of a turbo. Long story short, I had heard that wrapping caused heat retention, which caused shorter life due to oil coking up on the CHRA. Maybe this is old theory, or on oil cooled CHRA vs water cooled CHRA.

Thanks Ron for another great writeup though!!

And, what about this new turbo?? Hmmmm???

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Old 01-19-2012, 04:23 PM   #31
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That's all the wrap that is needed? unless there are more pics to come...
I was thinking the same thing, and expecting to not be able to see any of the turbo at all.
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Old 01-19-2012, 05:11 PM   #32
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I was thinking the same thing, and expecting to not be able to see any of the turbo at all.
You don't want, or need to wrap the cold side of the turbo...
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Old 01-19-2012, 05:20 PM   #33
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Where did TiC go? I'm interested to see it's side of the story here.

Not that I'm doubting you Ron. I just love a friendly debate.
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Old 01-19-2012, 06:16 PM   #34
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Where did TiC go? I'm interested to see it's side of the story here.

Not that I'm doubting you Ron. I just love a friendly debate.
+1

I might try this out, seems cheap and effective
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Old 01-19-2012, 06:24 PM   #35
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Where did TiC go? I'm interested to see it's side of the story here.

Not that I'm doubting you Ron. I just love a friendly debate.
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I might try this out, seems cheap and effective
Sorry. Been busy working.

here you go:

While wrapping material does exactly what it is supposed to do (keep heat in or out) is also makes an absolutely wonderful wick material.

A wick material right up against a nice source of heat.

So, lets say you have an oil leak. If you had no wrapping it would smolder, and smoke, and smell, but not really build up enough oil to fuel a fire.

Now, you add something that will hold oil quite nicely right on a nice heat source and you have the makings for a disastrous situation.

One that will burn hot enough to very quickly melt every single plastic bit under the hood along with putting a nice big burn mark on the hood. In fact, I'm sure you've seen it on the race car. This is not input based upon theory or rumor, but based upon experience.

In my opinion I do not feel heat wrapping exhaust components is a safe thing to do. If you want to retain heat in those systems then ceramic coat it. Ceramic coating will not hold oil to fuel a fire, but instead will lead to smoldering, smoking and smell. I'll take those as indicators of a leak as opposed to an underhood fire anyday.
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Old 01-19-2012, 06:47 PM   #36
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Sorry. Been busy working.
See, that's the problem with you TiC guys. Always working to please paying customers instead of handing out free advice to people like me with too much time on our hands.

What sayeth thee in rebuttal, Mr Bomber?

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Old 01-19-2012, 07:15 PM   #37
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Although I am sure that you know what your talking about I have to question if you were actually looking at the pictures of the wrapped turbo in this lovely educational how-to.

The wicking material that you are so concerned about is covered by a separate foil covered materiel that I would have to assume based on simple economics is non-porous.

You would have to have a catastrophic oil leak on on your turbo leading to the underside of the heat wrap. Heat shielding wrap on the hot side of the turbo isnt going to turn that into a fire any faster then it already is. It would have to pass through the non-porous "shiny" foil material on the outside to get to the underside where your porous wicking fabric is.

If you weren't looking at any of the pictures in the howto and you thought that this was standard header/exhaust wrap being used then you could have a point.

Any oil that magically wicked into the porous heat wrap from a slow leak would, for lack of a better word "carbonize". It would smoke. probably quite a bit. But unless some jackass decides to soak the heat wrap in 10w40 before installation you would not get a large enough accumulation thought the shiny cover to have the slightest thing to be concerned about.
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Old 01-19-2012, 07:20 PM   #38
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No rebuttal per se as they are right. The odds of this happening are almost nil though. I will paypal anyone $20 that can find FIVE stories here about flaming heat wrap on a Subaru. I will then post up 900 stories of car accidents, 100 stories of exploded gearboxes, and 100 stores of blow motors....all of which are just as bad or worse than the super super rare flaming heat wrap stories that just don't exist. So, if you want to wear out our search engine and have a paypal account, there's $20 to earn...and they best be first hand Subaru flaming heat wrap stories!
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Old 01-19-2012, 07:26 PM   #39
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Sorry. Been busy working.

here you go:

While wrapping material does exactly what it is supposed to do (keep heat in or out) is also makes an absolutely wonderful wick material.

A wick material right up against a nice source of heat.

So, lets say you have an oil leak. If you had no wrapping it would smolder, and smoke, and smell, but not really build up enough oil to fuel a fire.

Now, you add something that will hold oil quite nicely right on a nice heat source and you have the makings for a disastrous situation.

One that will burn hot enough to very quickly melt every single plastic bit under the hood along with putting a nice big burn mark on the hood. In fact, I'm sure you've seen it on the race car. This is not input based upon theory or rumor, but based upon experience.

In my opinion I do not feel heat wrapping exhaust components is a safe thing to do. If you want to retain heat in those systems then ceramic coat it. Ceramic coating will not hold oil to fuel a fire, but instead will lead to smoldering, smoking and smell. I'll take those as indicators of a leak as opposed to an underhood fire anyday.
Yup. Ask clint how he knows about that...

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Old 01-19-2012, 07:46 PM   #40
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No rebuttal per se as they are right. The odds of this happening are almost nil though. I will paypal anyone $20 that can find FIVE stories here about flaming heat wrap on a Subaru. I will then post up 900 stories of car accidents, 100 stories of exploded gearboxes, and 100 stores of blow motors....all of which are just as bad or worse than the super super rare flaming heat wrap stories that just don't exist. So, if you want to wear out our search engine and have a paypal account, there's $20 to earn...and they best be first hand Subaru flaming heat wrap stories!
Let's see, $20 for three weeks of searching...

divide by 7...

Carry the 4...


Ok, probably worth trying guys.

Edit: The heat wrap, not the searching.

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Old 01-19-2012, 07:54 PM   #41
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For those of us whose turbos are still installed in the car and under the factor heatshield/TMIC: can anyone provide a rough measurement for the template to make these things?
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Old 01-19-2012, 08:26 PM   #42
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i need to wrap my turbo before summer hits and probably gonna get a PTP one from ebay
downpipe is already wrapped.
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Old 01-19-2012, 08:39 PM   #43
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For those of us whose turbos are still installed in the car and under the factor heatshield/TMIC: can anyone provide a rough measurement for the template to make these things?
The whole point is to make a custom template. Regardless if it's on the car or not, making a template is not hard. A piece of string will get you the length. your fingers will get you a rough wide width and narrow width. Draw a line between the two. Test fit...trim....test fit...trim. Plus, I wouldn't trust some knuckle head who measures his TD04 for your FP Green or vice versa.
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Old 01-20-2012, 01:23 AM   #44
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I've spilled oil on accident, from removing the oil filter, on top of my wrapped headers. I was worried about the whole burning up thing, so I tried to wipe as much as I could off of it. It soaked through the wrap. For the next two weeks the car just smelled heavily of the burning oil after normal driving conditions. No fires just some smoke for the first day and the lingering smell for a few weeks.
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Old 01-20-2012, 02:23 AM   #45
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Sorry. Been busy working.

here you go:

While wrapping material does exactly what it is supposed to do (keep heat in or out) is also makes an absolutely wonderful wick material.

A wick material right up against a nice source of heat.

So, lets say you have an oil leak. If you had no wrapping it would smolder, and smoke, and smell, but not really build up enough oil to fuel a fire.

Now, you add something that will hold oil quite nicely right on a nice heat source and you have the makings for a disastrous situation.

One that will burn hot enough to very quickly melt every single plastic bit under the hood along with putting a nice big burn mark on the hood. In fact, I'm sure you've seen it on the race car. This is not input based upon theory or rumor, but based upon experience.

In my opinion I do not feel heat wrapping exhaust components is a safe thing to do. If you want to retain heat in those systems then ceramic coat it. Ceramic coating will not hold oil to fuel a fire, but instead will lead to smoldering, smoking and smell. I'll take those as indicators of a leak as opposed to an underhood fire anyday.
+over 9000

This is good advice to anybody that uses theirs as a DD and is thinking about wrapping everything. I do however feel the turbo is in a safer spot from getting oil deposits..
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Old 01-20-2012, 02:56 AM   #46
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I will paypal anyone $20 that can find FIVE stories about flaming heat wrap on a Subaru. So, if you want to wear out our search engine and have a paypal account, there's $20 to earn...and they best be first hand Subaru flaming heat wrap stories!


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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...47&postcount=1
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Can I haz $20?

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Old 01-20-2012, 09:10 AM   #47
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I'm not going to chance burning my car to the ground. My stock HS has been trimmed to fit my DP better than it fit the stocker. Good enough for me, although I did supplement it a tad with some stuff no one can see.

For those unconcerned with pretty and want a good heatwrap that will NOT burn and WILL do the job, well enough... get out your HD Reynolds Wrap and have at it. It's worked on my cars for years. Cheap. Easy to install. Never wears out, doesn't degrade, comes off easily if you get ashamed and want something pretty and burns better. Use several layers for best effectiveness.

It will not flame... unlike subsequent posters.
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How about one of these, just saying.......

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Old 01-20-2012, 10:31 AM   #49
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$230. Just saying...
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Awesome thread Unabomber. I saw a post of yours about it a while back, I have been meaning to get some of that stuff ever since. Downpipe is coming off soon, so might as well wrap the turbo while all that's off the car.

Thanks for the awesome write up. I hope to split the cost with a couple buddies because I know I'm not going to be using the whole roll of wrap.
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