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Old 09-26-2012, 11:36 PM   #51
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I'm guessing we won't be seeing Aspen and Volare come back, much less... Cordoba.
Aspen already came back and went away again. It was the re-badged Chrysler version of the Durango and lived a short life... MY 2007-2009.
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:03 AM   #52
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Considering it sells the worst of the 3, probably. They really needed to either make the interior a lot nicer and make it a GT car to compete with the CTS coupe or trim it down to make it compete with the Camaro/Mustang. Being a 'tweener wasn't working all that great for them.
How many Chrysler products are the top sellers in their respective class? Being last in a segment of three isn't necessarily a bad thing if your numbers are still good.
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Old 09-27-2012, 01:02 AM   #53
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How many Chrysler products are the top sellers in their respective class? Being last in a segment of three isn't necessarily a bad thing if your numbers are still good.
Considering Chrysler went bankrupt I don't think that worked out for them. It's not like they have higher margins than Ford and GM.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:52 AM   #54
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Holy crap. that's the first time I've seen that. That looks.... gorgeous! I was never too crazy about the Challenger but this looks pretty sweet. Hopefully Chrysler goes with something like that.

The only unfortunate thing is that article says they are targeting a weight loss of 350-400lbs. The Challenger SRT8 is around 4100-4200lb depending on options as it is. That means even with them losing the weight, this thing would still weigh in at like 3800+lbs. If the Camaro and Mustang go and drop weight this thing is still probably going be the worst performer out of the three.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:24 AM   #55
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Aspen already came back and went away again. It was the re-badged Chrysler version of the Durango and lived a short life... MY 2007-2009.
Sorry about that. Shows you how much attention I pay to Chrysler products.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:37 AM   #56
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The only unfortunate thing is that article says they are targeting a weight loss of 350-400lbs. The Challenger SRT8 is around 4100-4200lb depending on options as it is. That means even with them losing the weight, this thing would still weigh in at like 3800+lbs. If the Camaro and Mustang go and drop weight this thing is still probably going be the worst performer out of the three.
Very true, which sucks. I guess we'll see what they come up with.
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Considering Chrysler went bankrupt I don't think that worked out for them. It's not like they have higher margins than Ford and GM.
GM wasn't too much better this last go around. From what I've read, the Challenger is having a banner year despite a redesigned Mustang and the Camaro. Not saying it's the huge success that the Camaro and Mustang are, but there's a darn good reason why those two lasted a lot longer than the Challenger.
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Old 09-27-2012, 10:36 AM   #58
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I'm a former Challenger owner who bought one because it was significantly larger than the competition, no way I could ever have something the size of a Mustang or Camaro as a daily driver - and yeah, I also preferred the way it looked. Then again I'm pushing 50, fat & bald...
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:13 PM   #59
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I'm a former Challenger owner who bought one because it was significantly larger than the competition, no way I could ever have something the size of a Mustang or Camaro as a daily driver - and yeah, I also preferred the way it looked. Then again I'm pushing 50, fat & bald...
I guess I have to disagree... I am 6'2" and not a wiry build.

I don't see much of a need to have a coupe that is so bulky, and so heavy.

Genesis Coupe seems like a nice size, although I wouldn't mind better styling.

If we are talking about non-luxury 2+2 coupes that are supposed to be for performance driving...
I don't get why a V6 coupe needs to weigh much over 33-3500lbs, or a V8 car more than 34-3600lbs or so.
And mid-size to the small side of full-size in terms of dimensions.

And really... I have to wonder why people who want a BIG car, with BIG interior room, don't just go with a big full size sedan. Big kind of defeats the purpose of having a cut-down coupe body-style, which usually insinuates that the owner wants lower weight and more aerodynamic consideration instead of interior volume.

And if one does really want a BIG coupe... that seems more like a luxury touring coupe, than a performance coupe... more like a Caddy CTS, or a BMW 6-series, or one of the M-B big coupes.
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The Challenger was a little larger than the Mustang and Camaro back in the late 60s as well though, so I guess they're sticking with that rationale. I agree though, if they want to target the Mustang/Camaro, they'll never be able to do it without getting down to those car's curb weights.
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:32 PM   #61
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If that's the new car. . . holy crap Chrysler has cleaned their ***** up.

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The Challenger was a little larger than the Mustang and Camaro back in the late 60s as well though, so I guess they're sticking with that rationale. I agree though, if they want to target the Mustang/Camaro, they'll never be able to do it without getting down to those car's curb weights.
Not to be picky, but the Challenger didn't come out until 1970. The Barracuda, based on the Valiant, came out in 1964 and it was pretty much the same size as the Mustang. You are right though, The Challenger was always slightly bigger than the Barracuda, Mustang and Camaro.
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Not to be picky, but the Challenger didn't come out until 1970. The Barracuda, based on the Valiant, came out in 1964 and it was pretty much the same size as the Mustang. You are right though, The Challenger was always slightly bigger than the Barracuda, Mustang and Camaro.
If you want to be REALLY picky, the first Challengers were built in 1969.
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Old 09-28-2012, 07:14 AM   #64
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If you want to be REALLY picky, the first Challengers were built in 1969.
... and sold in the fall as a 1970 model. And yes, that's really picky.

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Old 09-28-2012, 10:44 AM   #65
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... and sold in the fall as a 1970 model. And yes, that's really picky.

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I'm just saying, technically the statement that during the late 1960s, the Challenger was slightly larger than the Mustang and Camaro was valid.
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Not to be picky, but the Challenger didn't come out until 1970.
That's a little picky.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:12 PM   #67
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If you were holding out hope for a new Mustang and Camaro-fighting SRT Barracuda to debut in the next few years, you may want to sit down. According to the latest product plans released by Chrysler this morning, the SRT brand won’t see a new model before the 2016 model year.

If that’s the bad news, here’s the good: the new Viper, released last year, is already scheduled for its first refresh in 2015, which speaks to SRT’s focus on its halo sports car. Three other vehicles (likely the Challenger, Charger and Chrysler 300) will get refreshed SRT versions in 2014.

Automotive News (subscription required) tells us that the Jeep brand won’t see the Fiat-built “baby Jeep” until 2014, which is a year later than previously projected. Look for two new Jeep-built models to debut in 2015, followed by refreshes of two existing products in 2016.

Chrysler will refresh a model for 2014, and word is that it will be the 200 sedan, long overdue for a new design direction and change in platform. Three new yet-to-be-named Chrysler models appear in 2015, including one moved forward from its previously scheduled 2014 introduction.

Alfa Romeo still has one model on the list for 2013 (likely the 4C), but nothing else in the pipeline until the scheduled introduction of four models in 2015 (probably including the new Mazda-built Alfa Romeo Spider). Call us crazy, but that hardly seems like an effective way to relaunch a brand in the United States.

As for Dodge, look for Chrysler’s mainstream brand to get three refreshed models in the next two years (one in 2013, two in 2014). There’s reportedly a platform change for an existing model in 2015, followed by the introduction of a new model in 2016.

What does it all mean? In the big picture, we suppose that Fiat is trying to reduce spending on new products as it shores up existing brands worldwide. That’s a sensible strategy, and it shows that Fiat and Chrysler are taking a cautious approach to new product introductions until the global economy improves.
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Wait, people still care about Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep?

nah I'm just kidding; different strokes for different folks is right.

Chrysler - slower, softer, larger than a mustang/Camaro but also more comfortable & more interior room. C&D R&T and all the rest push the cars to their limit in the comparisons ON A TRACK (or get paid to choose one as "best"), on the street, within legal speed limits (or even slightly above) the slight advantage the Mustang and Camaro have on the track doesn't mean anything, however the extra room and extra comfort the Challenger has will always be an advantage over the other two.

Why did you all buy your Impreza/WRX/STi? was it because it was the most fuel efficient, quickest to 60, fastest top end, best handling, best braking, most interior room, highest tow rating, cheapest and most reliable car in its class? if one Manufacturer could check all of those boxes, there could be only one; and it would be run by Duncan MacLeod from the clan MacLeod.

Not a fan of the render, but it's a render so theres that...
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^^ Thats exactly it. The Impreza/WRX/STi design is quick, entertaining, sporty, handles well & has great traction, regardless of season, seats 4-5, hauls kids n groceries, hauls cargo, hauls butt, etc etc. If you throw in the need for winter capability especially, I know of no better all around car. If i had to have just one car, it would be my current STi. (thankfully i don't, and i get to have many cars for all my wants. otherwise i wouldnt be selling it.)

I do love how everyone always talks about how the "next" upcoming version of a car will be lighter, lighter, lighter. They always say that, but how many cars have lost weight at all over the last 20 years? virtually none. Most cars weight 10-25% more now than similar models from 20yrs ago, if not more.
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Well the integra only disappeared 7 years ago, and by the time 40 years go by, i'll still be driving mine, its bulletproof enuf for another 135k miles, or even another 2-300k... Then again, our Mustang is 43yrs old, and I've had no inclination to buy another, ever...
And can't wait to start in on a 46yo Nissan in the spring. Course, they haven't made a lightweight roadster since...
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Wait, people still care about Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep?

nah I'm just kidding; different strokes for different folks is right.

Chrysler - slower, softer, larger than a mustang/Camaro but also more comfortable & more interior room. C&D R&T and all the rest push the cars to their limit in the comparisons ON A TRACK (or get paid to choose one as "best"), on the street, within legal speed limits (or even slightly above) the slight advantage the Mustang and Camaro have on the track doesn't mean anything, however the extra room and extra comfort the Challenger has will always be an advantage over the other two.

Why did you all buy your Impreza/WRX/STi? was it because it was the most fuel efficient, quickest to 60, fastest top end, best handling, best braking, most interior room, highest tow rating, cheapest and most reliable car in its class? if one Manufacturer could check all of those boxes, there could be only one; and it would be run by Duncan MacLeod from the clan MacLeod.

Not a fan of the render, but it's a render so theres that...
That's the whole idea behind making the Barracuda under the SRT name as opposed to the Dodge/Chrysler nameplate; smaller and lighter to compete better with the Mustang and Camaro. But I do agree that the current Challenger gets pretty much murdered by the Mustang/Camaro in every test. Not to mention, the SRT8 starts at like $13K more than the Camaro SS and Mustang GT.

And why did I choose to buy the WRX? At $25,000, it had the best blend of performance/functionality/snow traction/fun/good looks (in my opinion) out of any other car of the same price.

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I do love how everyone always talks about how the "next" upcoming version of a car will be lighter, lighter, lighter. They always say that, but how many cars have lost weight at all over the last 20 years? virtually none. Most cars weight 10-25% more now than similar models from 20yrs ago, if not more.
That's exactly why automakers are going to start doing it in the coming years. They have to make engines more efficient and the cars themselves lighter to meet CAFE etc.
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I'm kinda wondering if that article means the Barracuda is delayed or if it's being shelved. Kinda hope not, that thing looks pretty nice. It's still a Chrysler product and all, but I like it.
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^^ Thats exactly it. The Impreza/WRX/STi design is quick, entertaining, sporty, handles well & has great traction, regardless of season, seats 4-5, hauls kids n groceries, hauls cargo, hauls butt, etc etc. If you throw in the need for winter capability especially, I know of no better all around car.
I do.
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I do love how everyone always talks about how the "next" upcoming version of a car will be lighter, lighter, lighter. They always say that, but how many cars have lost weight at all over the last 20 years? virtually none. Most cars weight 10-25% more now than similar models from 20yrs ago, if not more.
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Over the last 20 years, you are right in saying probably none, in the last few years didn't the 370 go smaller and lighter and what about the Impreza?
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Over the last 20 years, you are right in saying probably none, in the last few years didn't the 370 go smaller and lighter and what about the Impreza?
I'm not going to bother looking up the specs, but I sincerely doubt a GR is lighter than a GC8. A GD maybe, but that's not the point.

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C&D R&T and all the rest push the cars to their limit in the comparisons ON A TRACK (or get paid to choose one as "best"), on the street, within legal speed limits (or even slightly above) the slight advantage the Mustang and Camaro have on the track doesn't mean anything, however the extra room and extra comfort the Challenger has will always be an advantage over the other two.
That's not really true. C&D at least looks for the best all around car as much as they do track performance. That's why they liked the 2010 Mustang GT more than the Camaro SS, even though the Camaro SS murdered the Mustang in every performance metric imaginable. While much slower, the Mustang was still the better all around, most livable daily driver and that's ultimately what these cars are for most people. Daily drivers, not track-only toys.
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