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Old 01-23-2012, 04:14 PM   #1
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Default Scion Racing Debuts FR-S Race Car

Anyone seen this yet? I'll post up when we know that our FR-S's will be coming in. Our internet manager wants to do a huge launch with a BBQ.

Scion today unveiled its Scion Racing/GReddy FR-S race car during a press conference at the 2012 North American International Auto Show. The FR-S will be competing in the 2012 Formula DRIFT series with veteran driver Ken Gushi behind the wheel.

The 600-horsepower FR-S race car is the result of a collaboration between Scion Racing and GReddy, a performance-products company that has been involved with Toyota and racing for over twenty years.

The race car is inspired by the 2013 Scion FR-S, a compact rear-wheel-drive sports car that will go on sale in the spring of 2012. The high-performance coupe is the fifth model to join the Scion family.

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Old 01-23-2012, 04:49 PM   #2
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Drift.....

Lame.
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Old 01-23-2012, 04:56 PM   #3
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Drift.....

Lame.
Yes, So lame!
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:22 PM   #4
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I should qualify my post I guess. If the title was "Scion Racing Debuts FR-S Drift Car" I wouldn't have said lame.

I was like SWEET! When I saw the title. Nothing against drifting as a sport or anything, the problem is it is subjective. IE Figure skating vs speed skating.

I would like to see what the platform will do, and unfortunately drifting will not be a good way to show it off. I guess it makes sense due to the popularity of drifting.

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Old 01-23-2012, 05:31 PM   #5
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^ agreed. i assumed race car, not drift car. respect given where respect is due, drifting just doesn't excite me. you know there is going to be a huge drift scene with these new cars though, it's going to be a good platform to build on for a few different types of motorsports.
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:38 PM   #6
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Car looks cool though, but why not put it into a Grand AM or ALMS class?
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:10 PM   #7
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I'm sure it'll go into several other races. But, drifting is getting more media attention right now than most other racing.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:29 PM   #8
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The fact they call it a "race car" over and over again is what sucks... Start timing drift events, a.k.a. Gymkhana! Then you can call it a "race car". Until then... NO!
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:34 PM   #9
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I agree with everyone, I can't wait to see what they will do on a track. I like drifting as well, but NASA and other time attack events is where I think the FRS will shine. At least this shows that the platform has a lot of potentional, assuming they didn't change out the whole drive train.
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For sure a lot of people will make this drift vehicle.
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so the 2013 scion fr-s the 2013 toyota 86 and the 2013 subaru br-z are all pretty much the same car? i wonder which one will be the cheapest
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so the 2013 scion fr-s the 2013 toyota 86 and the 2013 subaru br-z are all pretty much the same car? i wonder which one will be the cheapest
Brz will be the cheapest till the Turbo Brz comes out I bet
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^^^ yeah they all look pretty fun to drive that turbo br-z is gonna be crazy i'll have to test drive one when my dealership gets one in
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I agree with everyone, I can't wait to see what they will do on a track. I like drifting as well, but NASA and other time attack events is where I think the FRS will shine. At least this shows that the platform has a lot of potentional, assuming they didn't change out the whole drive train.
Every drift car is pretty much aftermarket in every way.
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well i gave up on getting the toyota and bought an M3. Maybe when they turbo it I will pick one up.

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I would assume the scion would be cheaper then the subaru.
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Base is supposed to be right around 24 on both cars.
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Yes, but what I was referring to was whether or not they used the stock transmission and engine or replaced it all. I can't imagine them switching it all out since it sits so much further back and down than the EJ series engines did. Also the FRS and BRZ are not the same, from what I've read they have slightly different suspension set ups.
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I would assume the scion would be cheaper then the subaru.
Not sure since Scion has pure pricing, meaning they don't discount the car at all. No haggling on Scion products.
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Car looks cool though, but why not put it into a Grand AM or ALMS class?
People that watch Grand Am and ALMS buy more expensive cars, drift is right inline with a $24k car.

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Yes, but what I was referring to was whether or not they used the stock transmission and engine or replaced it all. I can't imagine them switching it all out since it sits so much further back and down than the EJ series engines did. Also the FRS and BRZ are not the same, from what I've read they have slightly different suspension set ups.
Try finding a photo of the drift car's engine bay, there aren't any because it more than likely isn't the new 2.0 boxer engine.

And if slightly different spring rates constitutes "not the same" there you go. I am disappointed that Toyota just handed this car over for Subaru to ruin. Most of the suspension is just pulled off other Subies, the rear is basically all from the new Impreza. Toyota obviously had to address Subarus' complete inability to design a good head, that and a few other random parts like the differential.

I'd rather pick up a used 370Z for the price these cars will be sold for. The Z will out perform the FR-S/BRZ in every way.
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^I agree Biggie. I was really set on buying one, but they are far from worth what they want for them.
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There was an article that indicated the BRZ had a stiffer suspension and the FRS had soften dampening? I can't remember exactly. I wish they would also give the weight specs. Originally it was close to 2500 lbs, now I've heard 2800.

It's a shame if they pulled the stock motor and put something else in. If Greddy worked on the project they Need to understand the limits of the engine anyway. So why not pull it, build it, turbo it and see what she can do.

If the Hyundai Genesis Coupe had a good tuning platform like the AccessPort I would go that route, but right now I'm probably going back to an STI.
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There was an article that indicated the BRZ had a stiffer suspension and the FRS had soften dampening? I can't remember exactly. I wish they would also give the weight specs. Originally it was close to 2500 lbs, now I've heard 2800.
Considering all their other offerings, 2800 pounds is light for a Subie.

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It's a shame if they pulled the stock motor and put something else in. If Greddy worked on the project they Need to understand the limits of the engine anyway. So why not pull it, build it, turbo it and see what she can do.
To be competitive in professional drifting these days, you are basically required to run a V8. A 2.0 liter, no matter how well built, would not be able to keep up.

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If the Hyundai Genesis Coupe had a good tuning platform like the AccessPort I would go that route, but right now I'm probably going back to an STI.
The Genesis Coupe is basically the same size and weight as the G37 Coupe. That's way too big for its weaksauce 2.0 liter, so the V6 is a must. You might as well get the G37, and there are even Accessports for those still floating around.
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I completely agree Biggie. I would just like to see than start development to actually see what's possible on the 2.0. A good motor build and a 3076 twin scroll would be nice on a car that light.

A twin turbo kit on the V6 Genesis Coupe would be nice, but I get the feeling that is going to be a custom build.
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Old 01-27-2012, 07:49 PM   #25
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Found out from Scion that this FRS drift car has a Cosworth CS600 series long block (EJ25) with a custom GReddy turbo set up and that they in development of the FA20 motor now. At least we know they can fit a good sized turbo set up under the hood of this thing.

By the looks of things, the BRZ will have many more options than the Scion. Kind of sucks because I liked the front end of the Scion better.
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