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Old 08-14-2002, 04:18 PM   #1
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alright guys i need a non-bias response here. My absolute 2 favorite cars are the 300ztt and the sti. but although im in the market to buy and hook one of them up i just cant choose. the main issue here with me is speed, cause personally i think the 300 is just a lil pimper aside from that im plannin on gettin an old imprezza 2.5 or L and droppin in the sti, or a non turbo 300 and puttin in the twin turbo, or just buy a tt if i can find one for the right price. anywayz, i cant choose, i mean the sti would obviously get the holeshot due to awd, but would the z catch it in the end? ive heard 1/4 times for the sti anywhere from 12.7-13.3, and 13.7-14.1 for a 300. plus im plannin on if i get the z puttin in a jwt ecu and ive heard of cars that can do high 12's with that and new exhaust. also i havent heard of to many sti's breakin into the 10's, and come to think of it havent even seen a car runnin and ej20 in nhra and nopi or whathave you. but i do see however that wetdream of a z from escort facing and the power potential they hav. obviously i wont run 7's on a stock car but hope to one day break 10's or 9's if i get it. so guys just give me opinions, preferably facts, but when it comes down to it i just wanna know which would be faster fully built, sti or 300z. thanx
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Old 08-14-2002, 05:01 PM   #2
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The 300z is not designed to be a 1/4 mi car. One of my friends has one that puts down 528hp to the wheels, but has never been to the track because he's afraid of breaking the rear end. They don't launch well and if you put on slicks they just break the rear end. But it's a f**king beast on the highway
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Old 08-14-2002, 05:02 PM   #3
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Not a direct answer to your question, but if you are building a race car this applies. Have you ever worked on a 300zx. They are a true PITA. I would get the STI just because it is so much easier to work on.

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Old 08-14-2002, 05:55 PM   #4
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When are you making this purchase? The STI is not yet in the states and probably will not be till early next year. Second you proably have not seen many EJ20's at Nopi or IHRA b/c they have only been around a little over than a year or the North American shores. We are still in the initial phase in build ups of these engines so I would expect them to be getting faster and faster. I would advise on more research on this board before you make a decision
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Old 08-14-2002, 07:51 PM   #5
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I've heard that the 300ZXTT is way too complicated to work on for it's own good. Parts are expensive and possibly hard to come by. Plus the car is pretty damn heavy, better as a highway cruiser than a 1/4 mile car or corner carver-mobile.
I think the STi or just a regular WRX would be a better choice.
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Old 08-15-2002, 01:06 AM   #6
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I've read that converting an N/A 300ZX to a TT is complicated and more expensive than just buying a TT to begin with...don't remember where I heard it from, though.
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Old 08-15-2002, 01:42 AM   #7
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I owned a decently modified 93 300zxTT and now a decently modified wrx. There are pros and cons about both cars. The 300zxTT interior is like a cockpit... when you sit in it, you feel like you're driving a luxurious race car. All the instruments are wrapped around you, yet everything is really comfortable and solid. With the wrx, the interior got a bit cheap but it added back seats. The wrx is a much better grocery getter and overall much more convenient.

When it comes to power, both have potential. Heavily modified the 300zxTT however, can go 550hp to the wheels with the stock block and will demolish the wrx on the highway. The WRX meanwhile can run a low 12 easier and cheaper than the 300zxTT. The wrx will also be faster on a road course with tigher turns.

If I had to pick again... ummm... I'd prob opt for a 550whp 300zxTT. I hate the fact that my wrx doesn't have the tranny to hold power. I hate spending money on the driveline.
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Old 08-15-2002, 06:26 PM   #8
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I am agree with MiXer, I used to owned a 91 300 ZX TT with HKS turbo, intercooler, injector and some other upgrade. I even beat a 97 Viper on the freeway without any problem ! Now I have 2002 WRX sedan with VF-23 ,MRT FMIC and some bolt on upgrade, I don't think I can even touch a C5 on the freeway !
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Old 08-16-2002, 12:29 AM   #9
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I am agree with MiXer, I used to owned a 91 300 ZX TT with HKS turbo, intercooler, injector and some other upgrade. I even beat a 97 Viper on the freeway without any problem ! Now I have 2002 WRX sedan with VF-23 ,MRT FMIC and some bolt on upgrade, I don't think I can even touch a C5 on the freeway !
I think you'd hang with a C5 in the Rex...I pull on them from a roll with 240+ whp...but a Viper, that's another story...it takes A LOT to get a Scooby to even hang with a *lowly* stock Viper R/T 10.
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Old 08-16-2002, 01:20 AM   #10
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or a non turbo 300 and puttin in the twin turbo
This really can't be done easily unless you replace the engine. The non-turbo engine is much weaker (so I'm told by my friendly neighborhood Nissan tuner). It is possible by getting the turbo manifold etc, but the easiest way is to either buy the TT or to buy the engine from a TT. The other problem is that it is becoming an old car and parts are not so easy to find and mods that used to be common are just not around anymore.
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Old 08-17-2002, 01:29 AM   #11
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thanx for the info guys. basically i guess i just wanted to know which is faster in the quarter. i mean ive hear of z's with stock engines and just filter and exahust that runs 12.5's, then that 10 sec wrx on iclub's homepage. and whats this i hear bout the z not havin a good bottom end and being to heavy. isnt the supra just as heavy and look at those things. oh ya one more question, is it hard or easy to get a tt engine into a non tt 300zx. easy or difficult swap. thanx
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Old 08-17-2002, 03:07 AM   #12
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is it hard or easy to get a tt engine into a non tt 300zx. easy or difficult swap.
Not hard, but you will need to find a 'donor' TT engine first with all the trimmings. That might be a problem. The last TT 300ZX was 1995 or 96, I don't remember. Check out the FAQ at twinturbo.net for the swap details. I think you would be better off just getting a TT 300ZX instead of the swap.

I drove a Z for 10 years, it's a great ride, the only mechanical failures I had was the starter. On the highway a TT or even the NA Z can be deadly.

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Old 08-17-2002, 04:26 PM   #13
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thanx for the info guys. basically i guess i just wanted to know which is faster in the quarter. i mean ive hear of z's with stock engines and just filter and exahust that runs 12.5's, then that 10 sec wrx on iclub's homepage. and whats this i hear bout the z not havin a good bottom end and being to heavy. isnt the supra just as heavy and look at those things. oh ya one more question, is it hard or easy to get a tt engine into a non tt 300zx. easy or difficult swap. thanx
Go to www.twinturbo.net for more info on 300zx's...
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Old 08-18-2002, 01:04 PM   #14
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This is way off subject but a good friend of mine has an awesome 91 TT Z for sale for $8800.
email me if interested.

sorry for getting off topic he needs cash bad.
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Old 08-20-2002, 10:04 PM   #15
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The Z is not a very good 1/4 mile platform. Neither is a Supra so it's not good to "look at those".

What's do a 400 hp Supra, 500 hp Supra and 600 hp Supra have in common?

Twelve second quarter times.

Get an auto if you want a Z 1/4 beast.
Working on the turbos in a Z is a PITA.

Buy a Lancer.
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Old 08-21-2002, 11:16 AM   #16
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Remember...w/ a Z, everything is expensive b/c you have to buy them in pairs (2 bov's, 2 turbos, 2 i/c, ect).

But you'll run high 12's w/ a intake/chip/exhaust.
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Old 08-21-2002, 11:21 AM   #17
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If you want bang for the buck, and want to run quarters I recommend what I will be getting.

A GN or Regal T-Type. Standard proven Turbo V6, Standard RWD, and Standard Auto Trans.
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Old 08-21-2002, 01:19 PM   #18
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well is it possible to run 10's in a street z, and if so how much hp would u need to put down. Also how much hp could the stock usdm wrx handle, prob gonna get that i hear theyre fun to drive anywhere, highway, track, and especially off road
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Old 08-21-2002, 03:48 PM   #19
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don't even bother with the 300zx get a supra..much better response to mods....
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Old 08-21-2002, 06:15 PM   #20
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What's do a 400 hp Supra, 500 hp Supra and 600 hp Supra have in common?

Twelve second quarter times.
Are you serious? A 500+ hp Supra has to be good for 11's.


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Buy a Lancer.
Strongly considering that one myself. In a year or two I'll probably either get an STi or a Lancer, and make the jdm WRX my race car.
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It's just a joke. I used to own one so I'm allowed.
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Old 08-22-2002, 12:05 AM   #22
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well is it possible to run 10's in a street z, and if so how much hp would u need to put down.
Go here: www.sgpracing.com, home of the fastest 300ZX's.

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Old 08-22-2002, 01:41 AM   #23
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[quote]Originally posted by bigmike84
[b]well is it possible to run 10's in a street z, and if so how much hp would u need to put down.

Its not HP you need to worry about in the 1/4....its torque. Thats why cars with better times are supercharged, not turbo.
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Old 08-22-2002, 02:52 AM   #24
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well is it possible to run 10's in a street z, and if so how much hp would u need to put down. Also how much hp could the stock usdm wrx handle, prob gonna get that i hear theyre fun to drive anywhere, highway, track, and especially off road
You need around 550hp to the wheels to hit 10's in the Z. However, the key isn't the power - it's the tires, suspension, and driver.
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Old 08-22-2002, 02:59 AM   #25
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Why arent Supra's or 300zx good for the 1/4 mile? Im not experienced when it comes to big TT. I had a turbo prelude and it was an awesome car at the strip. I only had turboed for a month before i wrecked it htough, so i didnt learn much bout a turbo. I just sold the turbo to my friend.
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