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Old 08-14-2002, 05:37 PM   #1
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Default anyone know of any lightweight headders that

are essentially the same as stock?

most of the aftermarket headders on the market seemed to be either geared for more top end, at the expense of low end, or equal length monstrosities.

Id like something thats essentially the same as stock, but not heavy cast iron.
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Old 08-14-2002, 06:14 PM   #2
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Default Famous Last Words.

Wouldn't It Be Great If somebody local like at a chemical plant or metal fabrication shop could make up some stainless WRX headers?

I am noticing a trend here. Jack, just fill your front tires with helium.
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Old 08-14-2002, 06:29 PM   #3
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Wouldn't It Be Great If somebody local like at a chemical plant or metal fabrication shop could make up some stainless WRX headers?

I am noticing a trend here. Jack, just fill your front tires with helium.
yes, the trend you are noticing was inspired by the insanely prepared cars in SMOD at divisionals =)
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Old 08-14-2002, 09:37 PM   #4
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all we gotta do is design the pipes, and we can get them fabricated locally.

if you get them, i want them too, lets incorperate an up-pipe in them.
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Old 08-14-2002, 09:38 PM   #5
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oh and dont put yourself too far out, you werent on race tires, and the others were on hoosiers.
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Old 08-14-2002, 11:46 PM   #6
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all we gotta do is design the pipes, and we can get them fabricated locally.

if you get them, i want them too, lets incorperate an up-pipe in them.
if we just got hold of a stock exauhst manifold and upipe, could we say "make this in one piece and make it light"?
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Old 08-15-2002, 12:12 AM   #7
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I've been wondering about the headders also. What is the difference between the equal and non equal length headders?
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Old 08-15-2002, 03:28 AM   #8
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I dont think you could make cast iron light... You will probably be forced to use tubular steel. Make sure they are of good quality because headers made by a novice will crack. I am using Cusco headers, they are no larger than stock, probably smaller and are a 4-2-1 design which is more geared for low torque. I would reccomend those if you can get a good deal.
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Old 08-15-2002, 09:03 AM   #9
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I dont think you could make cast iron light... You will probably be forced to use tubular steel. Make sure they are of good quality because headers made by a novice will crack. I am using Cusco headers, they are no larger than stock, probably smaller and are a 4-2-1 design which is more geared for low torque. I would reccomend those if you can get a good deal.
I would need dyno proof that they better or the same as stock at low rpms

and data indicating how much lighter they are =)

got any!?!?
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Old 08-15-2002, 09:05 AM   #10
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I've been wondering about the headders also. What is the difference between the equal and non equal length headders?
equal length headders ensure that each exauhst port on the cylinder head has a headder runner that is the same length as all the others. There is some advantage to this due to exauhst gas pulses working out smoother. I have heard some debate as to wether there is any point to them on turbo cars though. Also, to make the WRX equal length, you have to add a bunch of piping and make it really twisty.

supposedly the advantage to equal length is more low rpm power, at the expense of weight and peak power.
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supposedly the advantage to equal length is more low rpm power, at the expense of weight and peak power.
exactly.
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Old 08-15-2002, 09:58 AM   #12
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hmmm, all this talk has been making me think. ...sell my uppipe, get headers? Has anyone seen these, or more appropriatly have any related thougths to WRXTuner's copy of the HKS header system? www.wrxtuner.com

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hmmm, all this talk has been making me think. ...sell my uppipe, get headers? Has anyone seen these, or more appropriatly have any related thougths to WRXTuner's copy of the HKS header system? www.wrxtuner.com

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Why? Seriously, if you're not racing I'd say it would be a big mistake to throw that much money away for a slight performance gain.
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Old 08-15-2002, 10:20 AM   #14
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Why? Seriously, if you're not racing I'd say it would be a big mistake to throw that much money away for a slight performance gain.
yeah headders are kinda the last thing you want to mess with.

im only considering it for a weight drop.
basically I'd like a stainless steel exact copy of the stock system, with integrated upipe.
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Old 08-15-2002, 10:23 AM   #15
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well, that's why I asked. Thanks! I think he was charging $750 for the headers w/ uppipe. Alot less thn the real HKS version, but what the hell do I know about anything. I can't even get my uppipe properly installed.
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well, that's why I asked. Thanks! I think he was charging $750 for the headers w/ uppipe. Alot less thn the real HKS version, but what the hell do I know about anything. I can't even get my uppipe properly installed.
I ordered an up-pipe on the 1st, my CC was charged on the 6th, still no UP.... No one's returned my email or phone call either.
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Old 08-15-2002, 01:45 PM   #17
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I ordered an up-pipe on the 1st, my CC was charged on the 6th, still no UP.... No one's returned my email or phone call either.
Uh-oh.... which up-pipe is it?
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Uh-oh.... which up-pipe is it?
TXS. Got it resolved. I didn't update my address from my apt. in their system when I ordered. It shipped there and was returned. It should be sent back out & in my hands on the 21st.
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there is a complany in florida thats making headers, but they arent complete yet... last i heard they keep getting more power out og them, but i dont know where that power is, low or high
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