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Old 01-03-2012, 04:17 PM   #1
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Default STi vs EVO X - handling question

I know this is like beating a dead horse and i've done plenty of searching on the topic. All the newer threads that I could find ('08+ STi vs EVO X) said the subie is better for DD but isn't as easy to work on, can't make as big of power as cheaply, and doesn't handle nearly as well/have as good of an AWD system overall. My main question for those of you that know both the evo and sti is, what can STi owners do to make their cars handle like an EVO X (quick handling with slight oversteer and easy to point into turns/get sideways in)? Even after watching the sti vs evo X top gear shootout vid on youtube it's really seeing the STi is pretty far behind compared to the evo besides from a luxury (if you can call a subie that) and DD standpoint. Any comments?
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Old 01-03-2012, 05:38 PM   #2
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Look at any of the other 6 million threads comparing the sti to the evo
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Old 01-03-2012, 05:44 PM   #3
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Look at any of the other 6 million threads comparing the sti to the evo
I do and I didn't see any specific info about what to add to the STi. Sway bars etc. I'm not looking for a super stiff ride just something that oversteers more and points the nose like the stock evo handles.
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Old 01-03-2012, 05:48 PM   #4
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Changing the rear sway bar will help promote oversteer. There's only so much you can do, Subaru's are nose heavy cars.
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Old 01-03-2012, 05:50 PM   #5
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As I saw once on a Best Motoring video:

"The STI balance with the Evo electronic assistance would make an unbeatable car!"

Maybe Subaru and Mitsubishi should consider "mixing" these two cars LOL
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Old 01-03-2012, 05:57 PM   #6
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well, the EVO handles the way it does because of all the electronics that control its AWD system and its suspension, in the form of AWC or S-AWC, which manages the AYC, ACD, and Sport ABS. Basically, the computer works harder to control the power distribution, yaw rate, along with torque vectoring, to keep the car turning the way you intend it to. Subaru doesn't use as many fancy electronics, but instead, relies on improving the engineering of the car's mechanical elements. So, there's not much subie owners can do to actually emulate an EVO's handling besides using sway bars, springs, struts, camber, toe, etc.
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Old 01-03-2012, 06:19 PM   #7
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The Evo is just better in the handling department than an Sti, period.
No swaybars or coilovers will make an sti out perform an evo in handling.
But powerwise, thats a different story.
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Old 01-03-2012, 06:46 PM   #8
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The Evo is just better in the handling department than an Sti, period.
No swaybars or coilovers will make an sti out perform an evo in handling.
But powerwise, thats a different story.
Maybe I'm totally lost, but what you guys recommend is to search in the forum, and what I've always read is that for the same $$$ and same mods, Evo gets more HP...
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Old 01-03-2012, 07:18 PM   #9
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Maybe I'm totally lost, but what you guys recommend is to search in the forum, and what I've always read is that for the same $$$ and same mods, Evo gets more HP...

The Evo will get more hp. But you will need to beef up its transmission.$$$$. Thats its weakness.

On the other hand, the Sti already has great transmission. You just spend money on a bigger turbo, supporting mods, and dont have to worry about the trans until you go even bigger. Plus Id rather have the extra 0.5 displacement than a 2.0 Not a big deal to others but to me, it is.
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Old 01-03-2012, 07:28 PM   #10
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It depends on how much power you're adding, to a certain extent, the difference isn't too big, but once you go BIG power, the Evo starts to shine. There are a number of 7-8 sec Evos around, but how many 7-8 second STis are there? Obviously, it takes a monster amount of power to build a 7-8 second car, or even a 10 second car, so for most people I don't think that's really a concern.

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Old 01-03-2012, 07:46 PM   #11
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OP are you planning to build a track car? If you are why not just start with the evo because out of the box it is a better preped track car.

As far as handling "like an evo," like others said only mechanical hardware can get you upgraded handling preformance. Upgraded sways, a better spring/strut combo, and a good alignment. If you do these things the gap in handling between the two cars will be slim.
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Old 01-04-2012, 12:47 AM   #12
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What should I start with to make the handling better? A rear sway? I'm still a little leery about changing shocks and springs because I don't want it to be a super stiff ride because i'll be using it as a daily driver.
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Old 01-04-2012, 02:47 AM   #13
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front and rear sways and a performance alignment will get you a great start.
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Old 01-04-2012, 02:50 AM   #14
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If you want it to handle like an EVO, why not get an EVO?
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Old 01-04-2012, 02:56 AM   #15
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If you want it to handle like an EVO, why not get an EVO?
Don't you have school in the morning?

I guarantee evolutionm.net doesn't get this many "Why is the STi better? threads.
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Old 01-04-2012, 02:57 AM   #16
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liv, you pose a very good question for the young boy...
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Don't you have school in the morning?
Nope, I'm off until Monday.

Canaderp gives us little munchkins a nice amount of time off school.
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Nope, I'm off until Monday.

Canaderp gives us little munchkins a nice amount of time off school.
Very well, carry on.
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canaderp...hmmmm
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Very well, carry on.
I'm going to bed now, though... I've got lots of video editing to do tomorrow!

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canaderp...hmmmm
I thought it sounded funny at the time.
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Old 01-04-2012, 03:33 AM   #21
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damon, that makes you a canaderpian...
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Old 01-04-2012, 12:04 PM   #22
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lol thanks for the replies guys. Seems like a fun community on these forums

One more question for you, drewvdw you mentioned a "performance alignment", what exactly does that entail?
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simply going to a trusted alignment shop and telling them what you want for alignment specs. if you need advice, search around the suspension forum. the guys there are very willing to help.
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Old 01-04-2012, 12:17 PM   #24
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usually it's like a custom alignment, where you tell them what camber and toe settings you want. Basically, negative front camber will improve handling, while toe out will further improve handling, but anyway, check the forums, there are lots of threads about alignments =)
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Old 01-04-2012, 03:49 PM   #25
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Nope, I'm off until Monday.

Canaderp gives us little munchkins a nice amount of time off school.
That explains a few things... ;-)

Who are we kidding, Damon molests his NASIOC app in class more than the hot little ladies in high school these days. Damnit son, don't let that gift of tail go!
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