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Old 01-26-2012, 06:05 PM   #1
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Ok, you Honeywell haters/Framophobes. You now have a new Wix option. I was browsing the Newbie forum and came across a reply stating that there is a brand new Wix filter with the Subaru 23 psi bypass seting that wasn't even in stores yet. The person did not state their source.

I checked Wix's site and found this pdf in the news section showing the 57712 mentioned in the reply, but no mention of bypass (bottom of list):
http://www.wixconnect.com/assets/WIX...7-2012)NOP.pdf

So I sent an email to Wix and received the following reply:
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WIX.CatalogDepartment@affiniagroup.com> wrote:

bypass valve is set at 23 lbs. of differential pressure.


Thank you for your interest in WIX Filters.

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Hi,

What's the bypass pressure on your new 57712 oil filter for Subaru applications?

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Old 01-26-2012, 09:59 PM   #2
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Old 01-27-2012, 07:31 PM   #3
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bluesubie also provided these dimensions (in a bitog posting):
"Height is 2.577. Is diameter "O.D."? That's 2.685.
Flow rate is 9-11 GPM's."

Those dimensions are the same as I measure on the black Tokyo Roki xxxxxxA100 filters.
Subaru says the oil pump in the 2.5L turbo motor can put out 12.4 gal/min, or more, at 5000rpm and 176 degF.
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Old 01-28-2012, 01:10 AM   #4
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d0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000d!!!!!



does anybody know what the 3.0 H6 oil pump will put out??

i have no factory service manual on that one
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Old 01-28-2012, 11:04 AM   #5
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So is O.D. diameter? I might drop by Autozone later and see if they have it in their computer yet. Have three filters that I got free with oil purchases that I was going to use in the RS and want to try to swap them.

My guess is that we're still a few weeks away from being able to get this since it only became available from Wix two weeks ago.

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Old 01-28-2012, 11:18 AM   #6
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Napa Gold # FIL 7712

http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Ca...712_0352281275

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Part Number: FIL 7712
Product Line: NAPA Gold Filters
Attributes:
Beta Ratio : 2/20=6/20
Burst Pressure : 300 psi
Flow Rate : 9 - 11 gpm
Gasket I.D. (Inches) : 2.173"
Gasket I.D. (mm) : 55 mm
Media Type : Cellulose
Oil Filter Gasket O.D. (Inches) : 2.475"
Oil Filter Gasket O.D. (mm) : 63 mm
Oil Filter Height (Inches) : 2.577"
Oil Filter Height (mm) : 65 mm
Oil Filter O.D. (Inches) : 2.685"
Oil Filter O.D. (mm) : 68 mm
Oil Filter Style : Spin-On Lube Filter
Oil Filter Thread Size (mm) : 20 x 1.50 mm
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Old 01-28-2012, 11:57 AM   #7
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I guess that answers your question about whether or not this will be available as a NAPA filter!

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Old 01-28-2012, 01:45 PM   #8
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So is O.D. diameter?.......-Dennis
O.D. = outside diameter
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Old 01-28-2012, 02:12 PM   #9
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Has anyone ever seen a flow rate specification for a Subaru OE oil filter? I am wondering if the 9-11 gpm of the Wix/Napa filter is adequate for the >12.4 gpm that the oil pump can presumably pump through the engine.

It is not clear to me whether that 12.4 gpm spec was determined on a test bench with no output restriction on the pump, or on a fully assembled motor with its numerous flow restrictions.
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Old 01-29-2012, 01:13 AM   #10
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Has anyone ever seen a flow rate specification for a Subaru OE oil filter? I am wondering if the 9-11 gpm of the Wix/Napa filter is adequate for the >12.4 gpm that the oil pump can presumably pump through the engine.

It is not clear to me whether that 12.4 gpm spec was determined on a test bench with no output restriction on the pump, or on a fully assembled motor with its numerous flow restrictions.
The flow restrictions shouldn't matter as long as the pressure relief valve stays closed, and that opens at 85psi IIRC.

The spec is incomplete at best. 9-11 GPM under what conditions? 9-11 GPM before the differential pressure is 23psi? Could be, but with oil at what viscosity? How about contaminant loading? Is the filter clean or dirty for this test? Pretty meaningless if you ask me.

Good to know somebody else has come up with a 23psi filter for Subarus, though. Now there are three, OEM (Honeywell) Wix(Napa Gold) and Beck/Arnley. I suppose you could count the OEM Sti Tokyo Roki too if you're willing to pay through the nose.
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Old 01-29-2012, 01:43 AM   #11
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The flow restrictions shouldn't matter as long as the pressure relief valve stays closed, and that opens at 85psi IIRC.

The spec is incomplete at best. 9-11 GPM under what conditions? 9-11 GPM before the differential pressure is 23psi? Could be, but with oil at what viscosity? How about contaminant loading? Is the filter clean or dirty for this test? Pretty meaningless if you ask me.

Good to know somebody else has come up with a 23psi filter for Subarus, though. Now there are three, OEM (Honeywell) Wix(Napa Gold) and Beck/Arnley. I suppose you could count the OEM Sti Tokyo Roki too if you're willing to pay through the nose.
dont forget the 3.0 h6 filter
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Old 01-29-2012, 02:16 AM   #12
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dont forget the 3.0 h6 filter
I found the H-6 3.0 pureOne purelator here at Fred Meyer, but the part where it screws onto the engine is recessed into the filter, so it won't fit on my 96 impreza only a wrx.

I am not saying it is not an excellent filter just stating this for other people to know

On a side note, I would also like another option besides the purelator (this Wix one) if I can't get it for some reason....
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Old 01-29-2012, 11:00 PM   #13
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dont forget the 3.0 h6 filter
I thought the H6 filter was too big to fit on a 2.5 turbo with the exhaust close to the filter. I thought it only fit on 2.0 turbos. Do I have it wrong? Is it still a Tokyo Roki?

I presume it's the same filter for the 3.6.

Of course the old black AA100s apparently don't have the 23psi bypass valve either.
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Old 01-29-2012, 11:18 PM   #14
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I thought the H6 filter was too big to fit on a 2.5 turbo with the exhaust close to the filter. I thought it only fit on 2.0 turbos. Do I have it wrong? Is it still a Tokyo Roki?

I presume it's the same filter for the 3.6.

Of course the old black AA100s apparently don't have the 23psi bypass valve either.
well...there is a black tokyo roki filter that i got at the dealer 2 weeks ago on my 06wrx right now......now i didnt ASK....but i ASSumed that it was the 3.0 h6 filter because that is what had been discussed about 30 minutes prior to this filter being handed to me

it aint blue and it is a bit longer than the h4 filter...that is what i know.....i suppose i could go out and look at it and see if i can see the pn on it.....but id rather not do that tonite

and i dont know if the h6 3.0 and 3.6 filters are the same or not
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Great info, thanks Unc!

Edit:
No need to look for the P/N. SGP has it on their website: 15208AA031

https://www.subarugenuineparts.com/p...oducts_id=1055

Looks like it's for all H6 cars, doesn't say 3.0 vs 3.6. Makes sense, I believe the blocks are the same or very similar.
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Great info, thanks Unc!

Edit:
No need to look for the P/N. SGP has it on their website: 15208AA031

https://www.subarugenuineparts.com/p...oducts_id=1055

Looks like it's for all H6 cars, doesn't say 3.0 vs 3.6. Makes sense, I believe the blocks are the same or very similar.
Actually just installed this one this morning on my 11 wrx. Fits good. Wider than the punny blue one.
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Forgot to add that my parts dept guy recommended this one over the blue one. Says a lot of the their techs are doing the same thing.
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doh...another Uncle secret gets exposed
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Old 01-31-2012, 08:32 PM   #19
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Napa Gold 7712

Specs:

OD: 63mm
Length: 65mm
Thread: M20x1.5, Roll-formed
Spring type: Coil
Bypass Valve: 23 PSID, Upfront.
Anti Drain Back Valve: Yes, Silicone
Media type: Cellulose
Media Surface area: 303.4cm2
Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/20
Flow Rate: 9 - 11 gpm
Gasket style: Square ring
Oil inlet hole/s area: Eight 6.25mm holes. 245.44mm2.
End caps: Metal
Can side thickness: .33mm









For those curious, The outlet hole in the oil filter mounting stud measures 12.25mm via a gage pin, an area of 117.85881189482959mm2 or ~1.17859cm2.

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Forgot to add that my parts dept guy recommended this one over the blue one. Says a lot of the their techs are doing the same thing.
Will these work on the GR STi as well?
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Will these work on the GR STi as well?
That I'm not sure about but I'm sure uncle scotty can answer
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Will these work on the GR STi as well?
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That I'm not sure about but I'm sure uncle scotty can answer
dunno.......ya gonna hafta see if it will physically fit....i dont think the threads are different or anything else that matters other than the physical size being different
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dunno.......ya gonna hafta see if it will physically fit....i dont think the threads are different or anything else that matters other than the physical size being different
I will pick one up at the dealer and give it a go for my next oil change.
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what about the 15208aa130 filters?? they are for the new fb25 in the 2011- na foresters. i have a case of them for my wifes forester. the treads and o-ring seating surface are identical to my 15208aa100 i use on my wrx. when i use my last 2 of those black roki filters can i use the forester filters on my wrx.? i know i have to run 0w20 in her forester. does anyone know if the bypass pressure would be the same?? i can post a picture if needed. thanks for any input.
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so has anyone used the wix filter?
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