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Old 01-29-2012, 08:47 PM   #1
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:48 PM   #2
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I'm surprised the Tacoma isn't at the #1 spot. Also note that these are good cars to lease, money-wise, in as much as leasing makes financial sense.
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Old 01-29-2012, 09:30 PM   #3
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SUV's well at least we see the american public is still the american public.
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Old 01-29-2012, 09:35 PM   #4
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SUV's well at least we see the american public is still the american public.
Yep. No need to change our behavior, we'll just wait until there's no more oil and blame the government.
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Old 01-29-2012, 10:24 PM   #5
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Yep. No need to change our behavior, we'll just wait until there's no more oil and blame the government.
it would be funny if it weren't completely true.
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Old 01-30-2012, 12:05 AM   #6
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I'm surprised the Tacoma isn't at the #1 spot.
Do you work for Toyota?
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Old 01-30-2012, 08:24 AM   #7
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You realize this could represent the fact that when fuel prices went up such cars were cheaper new, and now that fuel prices declined a bit the popularity of such vehicles in the used market went up.
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Old 01-30-2012, 08:31 AM   #8
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Old 01-30-2012, 09:17 AM   #9
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Yep. No need to change our behavior, we'll just wait until there's no more oil and blame the government.
Riiiight, because that is going to happen. We are going to run totally out and then go, DRAT that government. A little alarmist aren't we. Think of it this way. After all the 'eeeeeevil' oil is gone, then we will all have to go green. Unless you count all the extra coal we will have to burn. Earth is a finite resource, it is just a matter of how finite it will be. We as humans consume consume consume, and that will NEVER stop. With the growing population, that will only increase.

Most of those SUVs probably get as good or better mileage than my WRX.

I do find it very funny though, that the Consumer reports rated the Jeep Wrangler worst car for on road manners and yet it has the highest resale value

Just goes to show you, that people want what they want. And they are willing to take the compromises that accompany them. Be it on road manners or fuel economy.
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Old 01-30-2012, 10:12 AM   #10
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No, but I have looked at used prices of Tacomas. Kind of hard not to given that the other small/midsize pickup offerings are withering on the vine from neglect. I knew that Wranglers held value pretty well but not that well.
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:03 AM   #11
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No, but I have looked at used prices of Tacomas. Kind of hard not to given that the other small/midsize pickup offerings are withering on the vine from neglect. I knew that Wranglers held value pretty well but not that well.
I used to frequent this site more, and I can recall how you would defend and argue the Prius (you own one, right?) against anything hybrid. I always thought it bordered on ridiculous, but no worries.

Then in the past week, you argue Consumers Reports (which again I seem to recall you defending them and/or using their data a decent amount in past posts) was doing good reporting when they questioned the off road capability of the Wrangler, citing the Land Cruiser and 4Runner articles as comparison pieces. You then called the 10 worst resale list crap reporting, claiming the Land Cruiser was a ridiculous vehicle to be on the list. (Good point, but again with the Toyota) Now this thread with the Tacoma comments.

If you don't work for Toyota or have a vested interest, you should go to them with some of your forum comments. I bet they at least give you a sweet discount on your next Prius for defending the brand...
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Old 01-30-2012, 02:09 PM   #12
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No, but I have looked at used prices of Tacomas. Kind of hard not to given that the other small/midsize pickup offerings are withering on the vine from neglect. I knew that Wranglers held value pretty well but not that well.
And also why I never bought a used Mini Cooper. Used prices from private party and dealers were only a couple grand under MSRP.

Why buy used, when you can buy new?
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And also why I never bought a used Mini Cooper. Used prices from private party and dealers were only a couple grand under MSRP.

Why buy used, when you can buy new?
Yup. This is why r0bman of teh OT bought a new Tacoma, iirc--which is part of the reason I know about Tacoma pricing, besides the fact that I went to high school in its eponymous city and that that model is popular in the mountain biking circles in which I still orbit peripherally.
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I used to frequent this site more, and I can recall how you would defend and argue the Prius (you own one, right?) against anything hybrid. I always thought it bordered on ridiculous, but no worries.

Then in the past week, you argue Consumers Reports (which again I seem to recall you defending them and/or using their data a decent amount in past posts) was doing good reporting when they questioned the off road capability of the Wrangler, citing the Land Cruiser and 4Runner articles as comparison pieces. You then called the 10 worst resale list crap reporting, claiming the Land Cruiser was a ridiculous vehicle to be on the list. (Good point, but again with the Toyota) Now this thread with the Tacoma comments.

If you don't work for Toyota or have a vested interest, you should go to them with some of your forum comments. I bet they at least give you a sweet discount on your next Prius for defending the brand...
I still think the Prius is a better package than the Civic Hybrid and Insight by far. The market agrees, as do the battery replacement stats for Honda's IMA drive. Incidentally, I don't like the 3rd gen Prius or the V (or the 4Runner or the Corolla or the Yaris...) that much, so it's not like everything Toyota gets a pass from me. I'll also defend the Mazda RX-8 from all unfair criticism as well...

With regard to the Consumer Reports thread: I cited those models because I knew that CR rated them highly off-road from having read those reviews somewhat recently. Could I have spent a few more minutes to find reviews of other marques that said similar things? Sure, but why bother if I already knew 2 non-Jeep examples that fit the bill?

/me has no affiliation with Toyota, other than that his wife drives one with near-99,000 miles on it.
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Old 01-30-2012, 07:49 PM   #14
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Start at 1:40


Either the wrangler driver was hamfisting it or they were forced to hamfist it. I guessing that the traction control is better on the 4Runner.
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Jeep Wrangler review from Consumer Reports - YouTube

Start at 1:40

Toyota 4Runner Review - YouTube

Either the wrangler driver was hamfisting it or they were forced to hamfist it. I guessing that the traction control is better on the 4Runner.
I don't think you could have driven those two vehicles any differently than they were. They mashed the throttle on the Wrangler while they crept on with the 4runner. Nevermind the fact that they approached the hill from two different points.

Sorry, back on topic...
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:49 PM   #16
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Hmm, that was pretty absurd driving for the tested Wrangler. I'd hate to see that driver try to start up a car on a snow-covered incline. They'd slide all the way down the hill…

More data points for how the CR testers drive on their rock hill, showing the Jeep to be the anomaly:

Infiniti QX, 2:05 in:

Land Rover LR4, 3:20 in:

Toyota Sequoia, 0:08 in:

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I'm surprised the Tacoma isn't at the #1 spot.
it probably would be if Toyota didn't keep increasing the base price for this truck over the years.
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